Multiculturalism Has Failed: Your Experience

[Tenuria]

I'm a legal citizen of the United States of America. Is an employer required to hire me if I apply for a job?

How would I know? I do not live there. I'm from Holland myself, Europe. As far as I know, illegal people will not get a job over a legal citizen. Why? because when applying for a job here requires you to fill in a document in which states all sort of data like a 'sofi-number' (as we call it in holland), what's it called in the US? Social Security number or something? Besides you need actual diploma's which you can not get if you're illegal...

Indeed. But if I were a citizen of Holland, and I applied for a job there, would the employer be required to hire me? If not, one can't really say the job is "rightfully" mine.

[Dextradamusz]

How would I know? I do not live there. I'm from Holland myself, Europe. As far as I know, illegal people will not get a job over a legal citizen. Why? because when applying for a job here requires you to fill in a document in which states all sort of data like a 'sofi-number' (as we call it in holland), what's it called in the US? Social Security number or something? Besides you need actual diploma's which you can not get if you're illegal...

So, what you're saying is, Holland is not unlike AmeriKKKa in the sense that its businesses and government are supportive of white chauvinism.

White Chauvinism? I was Talking about illegal immigrants not diffirent kinds of ethical groups. May they be latin, african, asian, whatever. If they are here on legal basis, they can apply for any job and get it, selected out of any other person that applied for the same job.

[EvilDarkMagicians]

Its worked ok in some parts of London.
Not so well in other parts.

[Dextradamusz]

How would I know? I do not live there. I'm from Holland myself, Europe. As far as I know, illegal people will not get a job over a legal citizen. Why? because when applying for a job here requires you to fill in a document in which states all sort of data like a 'sofi-number' (as we call it in holland), what's it called in the US? Social Security number or something? Besides you need actual diploma's which you can not get if you're illegal...

Indeed. But if I were a citizen of Holland, and I applied for a job there, would the employer be required to hire me? If not, one can't really say the job is "rightfully" mine.

Define require? As to I recall it myself he or she may decline your application, what reason it could be? Who knows, ask the one who declined you yourself.

[EvilDarkMagicians]

How would I know? I do not live there. I'm from Holland myself, Europe. As far as I know, illegal people will not get a job over a legal citizen. Why? because when applying for a job here requires you to fill in a document in which states all sort of data like a 'sofi-number' (as we call it in holland), what's it called in the US? Social Security number or something? Besides you need actual diploma's which you can not get if you're illegal...

So, what you're saying is, Holland is not unlike AmeriKKKa in the sense that its businesses and government are supportive of white chauvinism.

Having proof that your allowed to be in a country is white chavinism?

[Maineiacs]

Are you saying there are no immigrants, to the USA, that are willing to speak engish? Are you saying the majority of Mexican immigrants are refusing to assimilate and not a minority of Mexican immigrants?

No, I'm just saying that the ones who refuse to learn English and assimilate into american society are causing the problems. You wouldn't want 20 of your friends to barge into your house with out your permission and start tearing the whole damn place down, not even listening to you when you ask them to leave, or at least pick up after themselves, would you? I didn't fucking think so.

"We are the Americans. You will be assimilated. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile."

[Tenuria]

Indeed. But if I were a citizen of Holland, and I applied for a job there, would the employer be required to hire me? If not, one can't really say the job is "rightfully" mine.

Define require? As to I recall it myself he or she may decline your application, what reason it could be? Who knows, ask the one who declined you yourself.

Yes, that's what I thought.

[Grenartia]

How is it not? You are a citizen, and the job that could've kept your family fed and sheltered was taken by somebody who decided to run away from the problems in his country instead of solving them on his own.

civil war, Anarchy and poverty can;t be solved by one man alone. (Ethiopia as an example.)
He has every right to immigrate legal or no and become part of a cheap and profitable labour force.

Ok then, by that logic, I ask you, should the colonists have laid down and taken the British opression and not fought to preserve their Freedoms? You can't run away from your problems forever. In fact, running away from one's problems usually causes those problems to become worse. In WWII, should the Jews have just ran away to America, and not done anything to contribute to the war effort?

The answer to both questions is: NO!!
yes, while one man can't do much by himself, that makes no difference. Do you realize how many illegals are in the US? You're trying to tell me that if all of those illegals banded together, that they couldn't change a fucking thing in Mexico if they wanted to?

[Dextradamusz]

I may add, the job is rightfully yours if you already have it, don't you think?
If you apply for a job, you merely let an employer know you are willing to take on that particular job. it is up to the employer to select the person he or she prefers the most, kinda obvious is it not? As long as the one selected is a legal citizen of that particular nation/state or what ever.

[New Manvir]

As a Canadian of Indian (This one) descent, my personal experiences with multiculturalism have been pretty positive. I've grown up in both a predominantly white neighbourhood (the only visible minorities in the town were my family, my cousins and a friend of mine who was from Pakistan) and in a predominantly multicultural neighbourhood, and I can't recall a single case of racism or any racial tension at all. There obviously have been a few issues regarding tolerance and assimilation, but I doubt these are widespread. Personally I'm more Canadian than Indian despite a relatively sheltered and somewhat strict upbringing (I didn't cut my hair until I was 18), same with every other child of immigrant parents (or even some who immigrated to Canada as children) that I know.

According to my old geography teacher, Canada has a more successful immigration program because we lucked out geographically and aren't in close proximity to any poorer countries. He said since we don't get a disproportionately large number of immigrants from any one area (Like the US does from Mexico, or Europe from the Middle East) it becomes easier for immigrants to integrate into Canadian society as there is more cross-cultural interaction.

[Resrevit]

So, what you're saying is, Holland is not unlike AmeriKKKa in the sense that its businesses and government are supportive of white chauvinism.

White Chauvinism? I was Talking about illegal immigrants not diffirent kinds of ethical groups. May they be latin, african, asian, whatever. If they are here on legal basis, they can apply for any job and get it, selected out of any other person that applied for the same job.

Except that the reality of the matter is that most immigrants are not white, and are instead third worlders attempting to flee the horrific material conditions imposed upon them by the first world.

Also, you're about 19% more likely to get a job if you have a white sounding name, at least in North Amerika.

[Jervak]

White Chauvinism? I was Talking about illegal immigrants not diffirent kinds of ethical groups. May they be latin, african, asian, whatever. If they are here on legal basis, they can apply for any job and get it, selected out of any other person that applied for the same job.

Also, you're about 19% more likely to get a job if you have a white sounding name, at least in North Amerika.

*North America

There is no such thing as a "White" name.

[Dextradamusz]

White Chauvinism? I was Talking about illegal immigrants not diffirent kinds of ethical groups. May they be latin, african, asian, whatever. If they are here on legal basis, they can apply for any job and get it, selected out of any other person that applied for the same job.

Except that the reality of the matter is that most immigrants are not white, and are instead third worlders attempting to flee the horrific material conditions imposed upon them by the first world.

Also, you're about 19% more likely to get a job if you have a white sounding name, at least in North Amerika.

Yea well... what can I say? Welcome to Holland! Although we got that *&%*)& Son of a ^&)(&%)(&%_ Geert Wilders in our Government now (I hope that will fail anytime soon).
To my personal experiences employers here tend to look at ones 'skill' required for the job and not for his or her name or the color of one's skin. just sayin' you know...

[Avenio]

The answer to both questions is: NO!!
yes, while one man can't do much by himself, that makes no difference. Do you realize how many illegals are in the US? You're trying to tell me that if all of those illegals banded together, that they couldn't change a fucking thing in Mexico if they wanted to?

The impoverished Mexicans do not have money. Nor do they have weapons. The drug cartels have money. The drug cartels also have weapons. The impoverished Mexicans rise up against the drug cartels. The drug cartels shoot them, loot what they please, rape their families, then burn down their homes. Surviving impoverished Mexicans give up, and in desperation attempt to go to the United States, where they might have peace, security and a chance at a better life for themselves and their children. They are brought across the border by multinational corporations, who set them to work in squalid conditions for little more pay than they would gain themselves in Mexico. Immigration agents burst in and deport all of the Mexicans. The Mexicans return home even poorer than before. Cycle repeats. Yay progress.

[Resrevit]

Also, you're about 19% more likely to get a job if you have a white sounding name, at least in North Amerika.

There is no such thing as a "White" name.

That's true, but if your name sounds like one of those common to white people in first world countries "Joe, Mark, Jason, Steve, etc." you are more likely to get a job.

[Grenartia]

As a Canadian of Indian (This one) descent, my personal experiences with multiculturalism have been pretty positive. I've grown up in both a predominantly white neighbourhood (the only visible minorities in the town were my family, my cousins and a friend of mine who was from Pakistan) and in a predominantly multicultural neighbourhood, and I can't recall a single case of racism or any racial tension at all. There obviously have been a few issues regarding tolerance and assimilation, but I doubt these are widespread. Personally I'm more Canadian than Indian despite a relatively sheltered and somewhat strict upbringing (I didn't cut my hair until I was 18), same with every other child of immigrant parents (or even some who immigrated to Canada as children) that I know.

According to my old geography teacher, Canada has a more successful immigration program because we lucked out geographically and aren't in close proximity to any poorer countries. He said since we don't get a disproportionately large number of immigrants from any one area (Like the US does from Mexico, or Europe from the Middle East) it becomes easier for immigrants to integrate into Canadian society as there is more cross-cultural interaction.

Basically its like this:
Canada- the good neighbor to the north, who even though he has his quirks, never bothers anybody without just cause.

Mexico- the shitty neighbor to the south who never cleans up after himself, doesn't give back the lawnmower, never picks up the dog poop, and even thoughhis kids have broken every window in the neighborhood, he doesn't give a flying fuck.

[Dextradamusz]

There is no such thing as a "White" name.

That's true, but if your name sounds like one of those common to white people in first world countries "Joe, Mark, Jason, Steve, etc." you are more likely to get a job.

I do know, that alot of, in this case Chinese people, have a western name like John or Kelly or w/e because it's easier to pronounce for their international client base.

I, again, live in Holland, my name is Bart... ok, so at work I get called by someone from China (yes that happens) fortunatly he speaks english, but his name is Xiuan Chou something... hard for me to pronounce or even remember (sorry!) So instead he uses the name Jack. Easier right? I asked him once if that name was only for his job, and he said that it was foremost his own choice to make it easier for the people in europe he frequently speaks to. He uses his actual name in any other case.

I suppose you have a point, but I still tend to look at it from another direction.

[Grenartia]

The answer to both questions is: NO!!
yes, while one man can't do much by himself, that makes no difference. Do you realize how many illegals are in the US? You're trying to tell me that if all of those illegals banded together, that they couldn't change a fucking thing in Mexico if they wanted to?

The impoverished Mexicans do not have money. Nor do they have weapons. The drug cartels have money. The drug cartels also have weapons. The impoverished Mexicans rise up against the drug cartels. The drug cartels shoot them, loot what they please, rape their families, then burn down their homes. Surviving impoverished Mexicans give up, and in desperation attempt to go to the United States, where they might have peace, security and a chance at a better life for themselves and their children. They are brought across the border by multinational corporations, who set them to work in squalid conditions for little more pay than they would gain themselves in Mexico. Immigration agents burst in and deport all of the Mexicans. The Mexicans return home even poorer than before. Cycle repeats. Yay progress.

Did that ever stop any other group of people from rebelling? I'd gladly do as much as I could to help Mexican freedom fighters over throw the cartels and the corrupt gov't if it meant that the illegals would go back to Mexico.

[Avenio]

The impoverished Mexicans do not have money. Nor do they have weapons. The drug cartels have money. The drug cartels also have weapons. The impoverished Mexicans rise up against the drug cartels. The drug cartels shoot them, loot what they please, rape their families, then burn down their homes. Surviving impoverished Mexicans give up, and in desperation attempt to go to the United States, where they might have peace, security and a chance at a better life for themselves and their children. They are brought across the border by multinational corporations, who set them to work in squalid conditions for little more pay than they would gain themselves in Mexico. Immigration agents burst in and deport all of the Mexicans. The Mexicans return home even poorer than before. Cycle repeats. Yay progress.

Did that ever stop any other group of people from rebelling? I'd gladly do as much as I could to help Mexican freedom fighters over throw the cartels and the corrupt gov't if it meant that the illegals would go back to Mexico.

Great! Can I have that check for $250 000 000 to purchase weapons, supplies and training for tens of thousands of poor Mexican farmers, as well as an extra 50 million to buy off the corrupt Mexican officials?

[UnitedStatesOfAmerica-]

I don’t think illegal immigration has much to do with multiculturalism. The problem with illegals getting jobs is that both immigrants and citizens lose out. The illegals don’t steal jobs, they are given jobs by people operating outside the law. This can be fixed by requiring that all taxes and fees and wages that an employer must provide a natural citizen must also be paid to immigrant workers even if they are illegal. This will eliminate the incentive to hire illegal aliens because it would require many employers to pay not only fines but billions of dollars worth of back pay, causing many violators to go bankrupt and out of business.
That being said, only US citizens and legal immigrants have the right to work in the US. And for the record, an employer is not legally required to hire anyone. If he wants, he can hire his little brother to do the job he needs. Neither US citizens nor immigrants have much power to dictate who employers hire or don’t hire.
It is foolish to assume that people can change their country just by staying put. If this was true, there would have been no white people to colonize the east coast which means there would have been no United States. In fact this attitude can harm national security because it encourages Americans to ignore real problems that could literally spill over into the US as the Mexican cartel problem already has.
Contrary to myth, not all government officials in Mexico are corrupt. This is another negative racial stereotype.

[Saiwania]

Multiculturalism fails because it assumes that all cultures have equal merit. When in fact, all it does is serve to cause strife and undermine national unity with various groups forming their own ethnic enclaves. The United States concept of a melting pot, where all the various immigrant groups are expected to give up some of their values and assimilate to form one mainstream 'American' culture is much better in my view and has worked far better than what has been tried in Europe.

Rather than debating why multiculturalism has failed or not, a better question is: Why should the western world be expected to be multicultural, or cater to any immigrant groups and if a nation has multiple ethnic groups- why not encourage integration to form one mainstream culture for that society?

[Norstal]

As a Canadian of Indian (This one) descent, my personal experiences with multiculturalism have been pretty positive. I've grown up in both a predominantly white neighbourhood (the only visible minorities in the town were my family, my cousins and a friend of mine who was from Pakistan) and in a predominantly multicultural neighbourhood, and I can't recall a single case of racism or any racial tension at all. There obviously have been a few issues regarding tolerance and assimilation, but I doubt these are widespread. Personally I'm more Canadian than Indian despite a relatively sheltered and somewhat strict upbringing (I didn't cut my hair until I was 18), same with every other child of immigrant parents (or even some who immigrated to Canada as children) that I know.

According to my old geography teacher, Canada has a more successful immigration program because we lucked out geographically and aren't in close proximity to any poorer countries. He said since we don't get a disproportionately large number of immigrants from any one area (Like the US does from Mexico, or Europe from the Middle East) it becomes easier for immigrants to integrate into Canadian society as there is more cross-cultural interaction.

I think its the same in the U.S. As I've stated before, we now have tolerance for all races that ever existed. There are still stereotyping and racism in the media, but that should be forgiven because its impossible to eliminate.

But, we do have criminal gangs that are based on races and ethnicity. That's not tolerant at all.

Perhaps to simplify it more, multiculturalism in our government has been successful. In our society, I think it still needs more work.

[New Manvir]

Did that ever stop any other group of people from rebelling? I'd gladly do as much as I could to help Mexican freedom fighters over throw the cartels and the corrupt gov't if it meant that the illegals would go back to Mexico.

Great! Can I have that check for $250 000 000 to purchase weapons, supplies and training for tens of thousands of poor Mexican farmers, as well as an extra 50 million to buy off the corrupt Mexican officials?

Mexico needs a Batman.

[New Manvir]

As a Canadian of Indian (This one) descent, my personal experiences with multiculturalism have been pretty positive. I've grown up in both a predominantly white neighbourhood (the only visible minorities in the town were my family, my cousins and a friend of mine who was from Pakistan) and in a predominantly multicultural neighbourhood, and I can't recall a single case of racism or any racial tension at all. There obviously have been a few issues regarding tolerance and assimilation, but I doubt these are widespread. Personally I'm more Canadian than Indian despite a relatively sheltered and somewhat strict upbringing (I didn't cut my hair until I was 18), same with every other child of immigrant parents (or even some who immigrated to Canada as children) that I know.

According to my old geography teacher, Canada has a more successful immigration program because we lucked out geographically and aren't in close proximity to any poorer countries. He said since we don't get a disproportionately large number of immigrants from any one area (Like the US does from Mexico, or Europe from the Middle East) it becomes easier for immigrants to integrate into Canadian society as there is more cross-cultural interaction.

Basically its like this:
Canada- the good neighbor to the north, who even though he has his quirks, never bothers anybody without just cause.

Mexico- the shitty neighbor to the south who never cleans up after himself, doesn't give back the lawnmower, never picks up the dog poop, and even thoughhis kids have broken every window in the neighborhood, he doesn't give a flying fuck.

I don't really know what that has to do with my post, but thanks.

[The Black Forrest]

You are a citizen of country X. You have no job. You have a wife and 2 kids, a 14 year old boy and a 14 year old girl, and the rent is due. A person from country Y illegally enters your country, and nobody stops him. He eventually makes his way to your town. You apply for a job in construction. The illegal applies for the exact same job. The illegal gets the job because he is not a citizen, and therefore any potential employers aren't required to offer the same compensation as they have to offer you. In fact, with the money that employer saves by choosing him over you, they can afford to hire at least 4 of that illegal's friends from country Y.

Who got fucked over in that example? You did. Why did you get fucked over? Because that illegal took a job that was rightfully yours, and in doing so, prevented you from getting the job that could've kept a roof over your family's head and fed them. A year later, your family is still living on the street, your wife dies of an easily treatable disease-- the seasonal flu, while your daughter has had to resort to prostitution to buy food and clothes, while your son sells crack.

That is why illegal immigration must be stopped.

If that is the case, why didn't you call immigration? The feds do like know about this because the employer is dodging taxes......