Multiculturalism Has Failed: Your Experience

[Marcurix]

Multiculturalism can work, but it requires the efforts of both sides to reach a reasonable compromise. The problem that Europe is experiencing is that the long standing peoples and the immigrants themselves are increasingly unable to reach that compromise, often hounded by unclear rules and little effort to define rules and expectations on the subject by those in power.

For example Canada is a good indicator on how multiculturalism can work, because it does reach this compromise.

[Dextradamusz]

I don't want to say it failed, it's like saying "this is the end of the line". Rather it is failing at this moment, would it keep on failing for ever? I don't think so. If I look back to like... 50 years ago, what was the status of multiculturism? Bad? I think is was, compared to what you could call it today. I would say it improved, and will keep on doing so, even if that means conflicts have to arise to trigger a positive change.

[Grenartia]

Multiculturalism has failed, and its about bloody time too! People need to realize that you can't go around shoving tolerance down people's throats. Humans evolved to loathe and fear those who were different. We were never meant to live in a big gay Barney-esque utopia.

Let's be clear here though: I'm NOT calling for a new Apartheid or ethnic cleansing. What I am calling for is integration and assimilation. When you immigrate to a country, you move there BECAUSE YOU LIKE WHERE YOU'RE MOVING. You don't migrate to London to bring your little corner of shit hole Pakistan with you. If you like Pakistan to the point you're going to bring it with you, then why did you leave? And don't give me that bullshit about jobs. If jobs is the only reason you moved, go somewhere else. Nobody likes a job thief ruining local employment figures.

And before anyone tries to play the "but you're not an immigrant like me" card, I'd like to point out that when I moved from the Scotland to Canada, I killed my accent as best I could, became COMPLETELY BILINGUAL in French as well as my native English (I did ALL my upper level schooling in French), took up playing hockey, and started drinking Tim Horton's coffee... Don't even try to say integration is impossible, because I've done it! It's to the point that when I go back to the UK, my friends call me "The Canadian".

/rant

How can you be a job thief? They are given to you, you can;t take them.

You are a citizen of country X. You have no job. You have a wife and 2 kids, a 14 year old boy and a 14 year old girl, and the rent is due. A person from country Y illegally enters your country, and nobody stops him. He eventually makes his way to your town. You apply for a job in construction. The illegal applies for the exact same job. The illegal gets the job because he is not a citizen, and therefore any potential employers aren't required to offer the same compensation as they have to offer you. In fact, with the money that employer saves by choosing him over you, they can afford to hire at least 4 of that illegal's friends from country Y.

Who got fucked over in that example? You did. Why did you get fucked over? Because that illegal took a job that was rightfully yours, and in doing so, prevented you from getting the job that could've kept a roof over your family's head and fed them. A year later, your family is still living on the street, your wife dies of an easily treatable disease-- the seasonal flu, while your daughter has had to resort to prostitution to buy food and clothes, while your son sells crack.

That is why illegal immigration must be stopped.

[Innsmothe]

How can you be a job thief? They are given to you, you can;t take them.

You are a citizen of country X. You have no job. You have a wife and 2 kids, and the rent is due. A person from country Y illegally enters your country, and nobody stops him. He eventually makes his way to your town. You apply for a job in construction. The illegal applies for the exact same job. The illegal gets the job because he is not a citizen, and therefore any potential employers aren't required to offer the same compensation as they have to offer you. In fact, with the money that employer saves by choosing him over you, they can afford to hire at least 4 of that illegal's friends from country Y.

Who got fucked over in that example? You did. Why did you get fucked over? Because that illegal took a job that was rightfully yours, and in doing so, prevented you from getting the job that could've kept a roof over your family's head and fed them.

It's called capitalism and the free market, get used to it.

[Qwcasd]

I have an adopted Chinese sister, a Grand Mother who's first language was Italian, and one of my friends is half Indonesian. Multiculturalism, as far as I'm concerned, is the only way to go.

[SD_Film Artists]

I'm from Norfolk; the only "experience" of multiculturalism that I have is at university.


I can understand the eastern European accent very well, but English isn't their first language. On the other hand, Africans have English as their first language (or at least my Zimbabwean friend does) but the accent is harder to understand.

"Have you seen Alien vs Predator?"

Me: "Alan who?"

[Tenuria]

You are a citizen of country X. You have no job. You have a wife and 2 kids, and the rent is due. A person from country Y illegally enters your country, and nobody stops him. He eventually makes his way to your town. You apply for a job in construction. The illegal applies for the exact same job. The illegal gets the job because he is not a citizen, and therefore any potential employers aren't required to offer the same compensation as they have to offer you. In fact, with the money that employer saves by choosing him over you, they can afford to hire at least 4 of that illegal's friends from country Y.

Who got fucked over in that example? You did. Why did you get fucked over? Because that illegal took a job that was rightfully yours, and in doing so, prevented you from getting the job that could've kept a roof over your family's head and fed them.

How is the job rightfully yours?

[Dextradamusz]

You are a citizen of country X. You have no job. You have a wife and 2 kids, and the rent is due. A person from country Y illegally enters your country, and nobody stops him. He eventually makes his way to your town. You apply for a job in construction. The illegal applies for the exact same job. The illegal gets the job because he is not a citizen, and therefore any potential employers aren't required to offer the same compensation as they have to offer you. In fact, with the money that employer saves by choosing him over you, they can afford to hire at least 4 of that illegal's friends from country Y.

Who got fucked over in that example? You did. Why did you get fucked over? Because that illegal took a job that was rightfully yours, and in doing so, prevented you from getting the job that could've kept a roof over your family's head and fed them.

How is the job rightfully yours?

Because you are a legal citizen of that particular nation/place where this occured? and he and his friends are ILlegal?

[Innsmothe]

How is the job rightfully yours?

Because you are a legal citizen of that particular nation/place where this occured? and he and his friends are ILlegal?

The free market doesn't care if you are legal or illegal, so long as you are cheap.
If you want work, go below minimum wage.

[Tenuria]

How is the job rightfully yours?

Because you are a legal citizen of that particular nation/place where this occured? and he and his friends are ILlegal?

I'm a legal citizen of the United States of America. Is an employer required to hire me if I apply for a job?

[Grenartia]

You are a citizen of country X. You have no job. You have a wife and 2 kids, and the rent is due. A person from country Y illegally enters your country, and nobody stops him. He eventually makes his way to your town. You apply for a job in construction. The illegal applies for the exact same job. The illegal gets the job because he is not a citizen, and therefore any potential employers aren't required to offer the same compensation as they have to offer you. In fact, with the money that employer saves by choosing him over you, they can afford to hire at least 4 of that illegal's friends from country Y.

Who got fucked over in that example? You did. Why did you get fucked over? Because that illegal took a job that was rightfully yours, and in doing so, prevented you from getting the job that could've kept a roof over your family's head and fed them.

How is the job rightfully yours?

How is it not? You are a citizen, and the job that could've kept your family fed and sheltered was taken by somebody who decided to run away from the problems in his country instead of solving them on his own.

[Resrevit]

How is the job rightfully yours?

Because you are a legal citizen of that particular nation/place where this occured? and he and his friends are ILlegal?

Why should an arbitrary piece of paper decide who is legitimate to have a job on a specific piece of land?

[Grenartia]

Because you are a legal citizen of that particular nation/place where this occured? and he and his friends are ILlegal?

I'm a legal citizen of the United States of America. Is an employer required to hire me if I apply for a job?

no, but they are required to hire either natural-born citizens or legal immigrants

[Innsmothe]

How is the job rightfully yours?

How is it not? You are a citizen, and the job that could've kept your family fed and sheltered was taken by somebody who decided to run away from the problems in his country instead of solving them on his own.

civil war, Anarchy and poverty can;t be solved by one man alone. (Ethiopia as an example.)
He has every right to immigrate legal or no and become part of a cheap and profitable labour force.

[Innsmothe]

I'm a legal citizen of the United States of America. Is an employer required to hire me if I apply for a job?

no, but they are required to hire either natural-born citizens or legal immigrants

Against free-market principles.

[Aggicificicerous]

I'm a legal citizen of the United States of America. Is an employer required to hire me if I apply for a job?

no, but they are required to hire either natural-born citizens or legal immigrants

That does not mean the job is rightfully yours.

[Grenartia]

Because you are a legal citizen of that particular nation/place where this occured? and he and his friends are ILlegal?

The free market doesn't care if you are legal or illegal, so long as you are cheap.
If you want work, go below minimum wage.

Ah, but they can't hire citizens without paying minimum wage. Why the fuck do you think they call it MINIMUM WAGE??

[Grenartia]

no, but they are required to hire either natural-born citizens or legal immigrants

That does not mean the job is rightfully yours.

Ok then, how is the job rightfully the illegal immigrant's?

[Innsmothe]

The free market doesn't care if you are legal or illegal, so long as you are cheap.
If you want work, go below minimum wage.

Ah, but they can't hire citizens without paying minimum wage. Why the fuck do you think they call it MINIMUM WAGE??

That's why illegal immigrants are popular.

[Dextradamusz]

Because you are a legal citizen of that particular nation/place where this occured? and he and his friends are ILlegal?

I'm a legal citizen of the United States of America. Is an employer required to hire me if I apply for a job?

How would I know? I do not live there. I'm from Holland myself, Europe. As far as I know, illegal people will not get a job over a legal citizen. Why? because when applying for a job here requires you to fill in a document in which states all sort of data like a 'sofi-number' (as we call it in holland), what's it called in the US? Social Security number or something? Besides you need actual diploma's which you can not get if you're illegal...

[Innsmothe]

That does not mean the job is rightfully yours.

Ok then, how is the job rightfully the illegal immigrant's?

He applied for it, and was found more suitable for the job than you.

[Resrevit]

I'm a legal citizen of the United States of America. Is an employer required to hire me if I apply for a job?

How would I know? I do not live there. I'm from Holland myself, Europe. As far as I know, illegal people will not get a job over a legal citizen. Why? because when applying for a job here requires you to fill in a document in which states all sort of data like a 'sofi-number' (as we call it in holland), what's it called in the US? Social Security number or something? Besides you need actual diploma's which you can not get if you're illegal...

So, what you're saying is, Holland is not unlike AmeriKKKa in the sense that its businesses and government are supportive of white chauvinism.

[Aggicificicerous]

That does not mean the job is rightfully yours.

Ok then, how is the job rightfully the illegal immigrant's?

Avoiding the point altogether. If the job is not rightfully yours to begin with, how can someone steal it?

[Tenuria]

I'm a legal citizen of the United States of America. Is an employer required to hire me if I apply for a job?

no

Indeed. I am not entitled to work. I will be hired on the basis of merit, not citizenship.

but they are required to hire either natural-born citizens or legal immigrants

Neither natural-born citizens nor legal immigrants are entitled to have jobs.

An undocumented immigrant working in a foreign country is not "taking" any jobs from anyone. That sort of implies that there's a finite, unchanging number of jobs, which is not true, since jobs can easily be created or eliminated -- this happens all the time.

Also, if an undocumented immigrant happens to be the most qualified applicant for the job*, why shouldn't they be hired? What, essentially, is wrong with illegal immigration?

* as opposed to merely being hired because the company reasons it can pay them $2 an hour -- which, while not as common as you might believe, does regrettably still happen, to the detriment of the employees. seriously, could you survive on $2 an hour?

[Mad hatters in jeans]

idk i don't think it has, it's just very very slow to change.
people get so impatient these days, must be all that coffee.