Multiculturalism Has Failed: Your Experience

[Angleter]

That's a melting pot combined with multiethnicity.

Multiculturalism is the acceptance and support of immigrant communities' separate cultural identity compared to the indigenous one(s). And unless your German-Americans still speak German and identify as Germans before Americans, then it's not in the USA.

How do you define indigenous culture? Is it aboriginal? Is it what ever the majority happens to be at the moment? How do you define it in a place such as the US?

It's the one that most people subscribe to. In the US, I'd take McDonalds/KFC, a reverence for the founding principles of the nation, and the US-English language as indicative of American culture. The kind of things Canadians, Europeans and Australians may complain about the growing influence of.

What I am saying is that multiculturalism represents a German-American family living in separate German communities where the German language is spoken, German food is eaten to the near exclusion of all others, and the people identify as German rather than American. Same for Italian-Americans, African-Americans, Latinos, etc.

In Britain we have multiculturalism, where for example the Kashmiri community generally lives together, they speak Kashmiri between each other (even among second- and third-generation immigrants), and identify as Kashmiris living in Britain, viewing the English/Scottish/Welsh/Nirish culture around them with suspicion.

[UnitedStatesOfAmerica-]

Multiculturalism can be successful, but it hasn't been as successful as we hoped it would've. The biggest obstacle to the success of multiculturalism is that the minority use it as an excuse to say that the majority will tolerate the minority's intolerance of the majority's culture, i.e. Mexicans illegally immigrating to the US, and refusing to learn the language, because they know we will put up with it.

I actually think that we would be better off with out it. Think about this: The majority of immigrants that came through Ellis Island did learn English (if they didn't know it already) and successfully integrated into American society without losing their cultural identity. Which is how many holidays are now distinctly American, such as Halloween (Irish); or how many traditions are now American, such as Christmas trees (German). But these things only happened because the immigrants accepted American culture, and allowed the Americans to accept certain traditions from their culture.

Are you saying there are no immigrants, to the USA, that are willing to speak engish? Are you saying the majority of Mexican immigrants are refusing to assimilate and not a minority of Mexican immigrants?

[DEFCON-1]

The problem is that multiculturalism so often means ethnic nationalistic sentiment within a minority.

[Cannot think of a name]

What did it fail at doing and what where you looking for it to do? So far this has been premised on some unsourced vague observation about a single event somewhere in Southern California...am I supposed to defend 'multiculturalism' about some event I've never attended and I have to take your word for how it's conducted?

[Grenartia]

Multiculturalism can be successful, but it hasn't been as successful as we hoped it would've. The biggest obstacle to the success of multiculturalism is that the minority use it as an excuse to say that the majority will tolerate the minority's intolerance of the majority's culture, i.e. Mexicans illegally immigrating to the US, and refusing to learn the language, because they know we will put up with it.

I actually think that we would be better off with out it. Think about this: The majority of immigrants that came through Ellis Island did learn English (if they didn't know it already) and successfully integrated into American society without losing their cultural identity. Which is how many holidays are now distinctly American, such as Halloween (Irish); or how many traditions are now American, such as Christmas trees (German). But these things only happened because the immigrants accepted American culture, and allowed the Americans to accept certain traditions from their culture.

Are you saying there are no immigrants, to the USA, that are willing to speak engish? Are you saying the majority of Mexican immigrants are refusing to assimilate and not a minority of Mexican immigrants?

No, I'm just saying that the ones who refuse to learn English and assimilate into american society are causing the problems. You wouldn't want 20 of your friends to barge into your house with out your permission and start tearing the whole damn place down, not even listening to you when you ask them to leave, or at least pick up after themselves, would you? I didn't fucking think so.

[Hresejnen]

America? Multiculturalist? olololol.

A melting pot isn't multicultural. It's monocultural, just too lazy to form its own culture. And really, that's the whole reason it's failing so hard: you have this idea of "all cultures in one", but the one has to be followed, which leads to a good deal of confusion and rebellion against that culture.

Canadian multiculturalism is as strong as ever, and we're doing just fine.

Europe, I believe, can't be multicultural, because its various nations and regions just have existing cultures that are far too stable. Their idea of multiculturalism is literally just having more than one culture in the border, as opposed to an integration and preservation of many cultures on the same level. The former leads to splintering, so I'll guess it's failed in Germany.

[Haalstad]

The majority of the blame belongs to the white people because they are not doing enough to ensure that mulitculturalism is truly multicultural.

Of course, blame the white man for everything.

[UnitedStatesOfAmerica-]

How do you define indigenous culture? Is it aboriginal? Is it what ever the majority happens to be at the moment? How do you define it in a place such as the US?

It's the one that most people subscribe to. In the US, I'd take McDonalds/KFC, a reverence for the founding principles of the nation, and the US-English language as indicative of American culture. The kind of things Canadians, Europeans and Australians may complain about the growing influence of.

What I am saying is that multiculturalism represents a German-American family living in separate German communities where the German language is spoken, German food is eaten to the near exclusion of all others, and the people identify as German rather than American. Same for Italian-Americans, African-Americans, Latinos, etc.

In Britain we have multiculturalism, where for example the Kashmiri community generally lives together, they speak Kashmiri between each other (even among second- and third-generation immigrants), and identify as Kashmiris living in Britain, viewing the English/Scottish/Welsh/Nirish culture around them with suspicion.

But don't the Canadians and Australians also speak english?

[Humanists8]

Most immigrants appear to want to assimilate in my experience, (I used to hang out with many different foreign students). Most want to speak English and are enthusiastic about the culture in which they reside. The problem with multiculturalism is that it encourages separateness, something that has been mentioned earlier. Having said that, I don't think you can force assimilation any more than that of multiculturalism.

[UnitedStatesOfAmerica-]

Are you saying there are no immigrants, to the USA, that are willing to speak engish? Are you saying the majority of Mexican immigrants are refusing to assimilate and not a minority of Mexican immigrants?

No, I'm just saying that the ones who refuse to learn English and assimilate into american society are causing the problems. You wouldn't want 20 of your friends to barge into your house with out your permission and start tearing the whole damn place down, not even listening to you when you ask them to leave, or at least pick up after themselves, would you? I didn't fucking think so.

Then are you not speaking more about illegal immigration and less about multiculturalism?

[UnitedStatesOfAmerica-]

Many nations. such as Japan, Korea and those in Europe would not really be harmed if they evicted or banned all other cultures except their own. But in nations such as the US, would not the lack of multiculturalism be actually harmful? Given that the US and certain other nations are historically and ethnically different than most nations of the world? I mean most nations are run by one ethnic group that dominates everything.
On the other hand, in nations such as the US where there is wide diverstiy of groups, would not the end of multiculturalism lead to the inevitable collapse of the state and recolonization by Europe and Asia?

[Angleter]

Many nations. such as Japan, Korea and those in Europe would not really be harmed if they evicted or banned all other cultures except their own. But in nations such as the US, would not the lack of multiculturalism be actually harmful? Given that the US and certain other nations are historically and ethnically different than most nations of the world? I mean most nations are run by one ethnic group that dominates everything.
On the other hand, in nations such as the US where there is wide diverstiy of groups, would not the end of multiculturalism lead to the inevitable collapse of the state and recolonization by Europe and Asia?

The thing with the US, like many other settler-based states, is that it's less multicultural than a melting pot. All immigrant groups' cultures bring their own something to the American culture, which is pretty much one big congealed mess.

Multicultural nations which cover more than one ethnic homeland I have no problem with, but I'd like them to be federal to avoid cultures disappearing (like the Occitans have).

[UnitedStatesOfAmerica-]

the occitans?

[UnitedStatesOfAmerica-]

I'd like to know about the experiences of people outside the US as regards multiculturalism.

[Helertia]

the occitans?

Southern French culture, I think. Zeppy's flag is the same as the Occitan one.

[Grenartia]

No, I'm just saying that the ones who refuse to learn English and assimilate into american society are causing the problems. You wouldn't want 20 of your friends to barge into your house with out your permission and start tearing the whole damn place down, not even listening to you when you ask them to leave, or at least pick up after themselves, would you? I didn't fucking think so.

Then are you not speaking more about illegal immigration and less about multiculturalism?

Its kinda both. Illegal immigration wouldn't be so rampant if it were not for multiculturalism and pure ignorance (stares at Lady Gaga, while applauding Arizona) keeping the government from doing anything.

[UnitedStatesOfAmerica-]

How does multiculturalism cause illegal immigration?

[TheKanadian Federation]

Multiculturalism has failed, and its about bloody time too! People need to realize that you can't go around shoving tolerance down people's throats. Humans evolved to loathe and fear those who were different. We were never meant to live in a big gay Barney-esque utopia.

Let's be clear here though: I'm NOT calling for a new Apartheid or ethnic cleansing. What I am calling for is integration and assimilation. When you immigrate to a country, you move there BECAUSE YOU LIKE WHERE YOU'RE MOVING. You don't migrate to London to bring your little corner of shit hole Pakistan with you. If you like Pakistan to the point you're going to bring it with you, then why did you leave? And don't give me that bullshit about jobs. If jobs is the only reason you moved, go somewhere else. Nobody likes a job thief ruining local employment figures.

And before anyone tries to play the "but you're not an immigrant like me" card, I'd like to point out that when I moved from the Scotland to Canada, I killed my accent as best I could, became COMPLETELY BILINGUAL in French as well as my native English (I did ALL my upper level schooling in French), took up playing hockey, and started drinking Tim Horton's coffee... Don't even try to say integration is impossible, because I've done it! It's to the point that when I go back to the UK, my friends call me "The Canadian".

/rant

[Grenartia]

How does multiculturalism cause illegal immigration?

It doesn't. But it does contribute to it, by defending the illegals from 'bigots' who in reality, just want immigrants to come in legally and assimilate into society like millions of other immigrants have done since the birth of the U.S.

[Grenartia]

Multiculturalism has failed, and its about bloody time too! People need to realize that you can't go around shoving tolerance down people's throats. Humans evolved to loathe and fear those who were different. We were never meant to live in a big gay Barney-esque utopia.

Let's be clear here though: I'm NOT calling for a new Apartheid or ethnic cleansing. What I am calling for is integration and assimilation. When you immigrate to a country, you move there BECAUSE YOU LIKE WHERE YOU'RE MOVING. You don't migrate to London to bring your little corner of shit hole Pakistan with you. If you like Pakistan to the point you're going to bring it with you, then why did you leave? And don't give me that bullshit about jobs. If jobs is the only reason you moved, go somewhere else. Nobody likes a job thief ruining local employment figures.

And before anyone tries to play the "but you're not an immigrant like me" card, I'd like to point out that when I moved from the Scotland to Canada, I killed my accent as best I could, became COMPLETELY BILINGUAL in French as well as my native English (I did ALL my upper level schooling in French), took up playing hockey, and started drinking Tim Horton's coffee... Don't even try to say integration is impossible, because I've done it! It's to the point that when I go back to the UK, my friends call me "The Canadian".

/rant

You sir, have said my point better than I ever could.

[UnitedStatesOfAmerica-]

How does one assimilate into a nation that essentially composed of many different cultures?

[Grenartia]

How does one assimilate into a nation that essentially composed of many different cultures?

We were at first composed of multiple cultures, but they have fused into one since the rise of mass media. Kind of like how a pizza has a whole bunch of ingredients. Shitty analogy but it still works.

[Innsmothe]

Multiculturalism has failed, and its about bloody time too! People need to realize that you can't go around shoving tolerance down people's throats. Humans evolved to loathe and fear those who were different. We were never meant to live in a big gay Barney-esque utopia.

Let's be clear here though: I'm NOT calling for a new Apartheid or ethnic cleansing. What I am calling for is integration and assimilation. When you immigrate to a country, you move there BECAUSE YOU LIKE WHERE YOU'RE MOVING. You don't migrate to London to bring your little corner of shit hole Pakistan with you. If you like Pakistan to the point you're going to bring it with you, then why did you leave? And don't give me that bullshit about jobs. If jobs is the only reason you moved, go somewhere else. Nobody likes a job thief ruining local employment figures.

And before anyone tries to play the "but you're not an immigrant like me" card, I'd like to point out that when I moved from the Scotland to Canada, I killed my accent as best I could, became COMPLETELY BILINGUAL in French as well as my native English (I did ALL my upper level schooling in French), took up playing hockey, and started drinking Tim Horton's coffee... Don't even try to say integration is impossible, because I've done it! It's to the point that when I go back to the UK, my friends call me "The Canadian".

/rant

How can you be a job thief? They are given to you, you can;t take them.

[Mollux]

Source.

Multiculturalism has worked in America.
My source is the existence of Panda Express and Del Taco.

Oh and the World Trade Center was designed by a Japanese.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trad ... nstruction

Just want to point out, Del Taco translates to "Of the Taco." As in the people who created Del Taco obviously didn't know Spanish at all.

[Resrevit]

Multiculturalism has failed. However, it is important to recognize the reasons why and to solve the problem accordingly.

Multiculturalism has failed largely because people are still very racist. For instance, where I live, people will only talk to and associate with people of their own ethnicity, despite the many ethnicities and races that exist here and the supposed culture of equality (to which I say bull fucking shit, there is no equality here).

Multiculturalism will succeed when people think scientifically, discard pathetic, reactionary ideas like nationalism and realize that the color of one's skin and piece of land they were born in does not define who they are.