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Postby Norstal » Sun Oct 17, 2010 11:40 pm

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Grenartia wrote:You are a citizen of country X. You have no job. You have a wife and 2 kids, a 14 year old boy and a 14 year old girl, and the rent is due. A person from country Y illegally enters your country, and nobody stops him. He eventually makes his way to your town. You apply for a job in construction. The illegal applies for the exact same job. The illegal gets the job because he is not a citizen, and therefore any potential employers aren't required to offer the same compensation as they have to offer you. In fact, with the money that employer saves by choosing him over you, they can afford to hire at least 4 of that illegal's friends from country Y.

Who got fucked over in that example? You did. Why did you get fucked over? Because that illegal took a job that was rightfully yours, and in doing so, prevented you from getting the job that could've kept a roof over your family's head and fed them. A year later, your family is still living on the street, your wife dies of an easily treatable disease-- the seasonal flu, while your daughter has had to resort to prostitution to buy food and clothes, while your son sells crack.

That is why illegal immigration must be stopped.


If that is the case, why didn't you call immigration? The feds do like know about this because the employer is dodging taxes......

Yeah, but just look at what they're doing!

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Point: You can't force illegals out. They will always come here. Build a Great Wall of America and they'll still manage to come here.

Solution: make hiring illegals legal, but force companies to pay them equal wages. As this guy puts it:

What kind of chicken shit pussy is afraid of competition? Can't get a job because you lost out to an immigrant? Well TOUGH SHIT.
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Postby Laerod » Mon Oct 18, 2010 1:24 am

UnitedStatesOfAmerica- wrote:This morning the leader of Germany declared that multiculturalism was a failure.

Correction, the leader of the German government. To be honest, my experience in Germany has been that it works. Not in all cases but calling it a failure strikes me as odd.

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Postby Hioli » Mon Oct 18, 2010 1:35 am

Never worked in Australia, socially.
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Postby Tokos » Mon Oct 18, 2010 3:06 am

Norstal wrote:Solution: make hiring illegals legal, but force companies to pay them equal wages.


What :blink: That makes no sense whatsoever.

As this guy puts it:

What kind of chicken shit pussy is afraid of competition? Can't get a job because you lost out to an immigrant? Well TOUGH SHIT.


I may not be as manly a man as he is, but it seems to me that the native people of a nation have the right to expect to come first in their own nation. Otherwise it is not a nation; it's just a giant market. I know globalism is pushing us that way anyway, but we could at least put up a token resistance. It being a recession and all.
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Postby Neu Leonstein » Mon Oct 18, 2010 3:17 am

Hioli wrote:Never worked in Australia, socially.

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Postby Nobel Hobos » Mon Oct 18, 2010 4:08 am

Tokos wrote:
Norstal wrote:Solution: make hiring illegals legal, but force companies to pay them equal wages.


What :blink: That makes no sense whatsoever.


It's confusingly worded, but I guess it means "make hiring people legal even though they are not legal residents; require employers to pay them the legal minimum wage".

It's an amnesty, but only for working "illegals" and only within the scope of employment.

If you want simpler than that: you're against it. :p
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Postby Juristonia » Mon Oct 18, 2010 4:11 am

I guess that could sorta work in a sense that it could make companies less likely to hire illegals since they can hire a citizen for the same amount of money. :unsure:
I'd rather see those companies being held accountable though.
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Postby Adauchi » Mon Oct 18, 2010 5:38 am

what is the criteria being used to decide whether multiculturalismismism has failed?

in my own experience, it is just a way of life. to me it would be akin to arguing whether having arms has failed - some people don't get along with different people... nothing particularly new there.

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Postby Yootwopia » Mon Oct 18, 2010 5:47 am

Err my entire life has been in a 'multicultural' place. It just exists. Dunno if it's failed or succeeded. I don't shit myself if I see someone in a headscarf, and there's only minor eye-rolling when some bird in a miniskirt bounces past someone's muslim gran pushing a pram down to the shop.
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Postby Miklesia » Mon Oct 18, 2010 1:11 pm

From my experience in America, you will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.

But seriously, all the children of immigrants whom I've met (including my grandfather) completely assimilated. They speak English exactly like everyone else, act the same, live pretty much the same, and are virtually indistinguishable from those whose families have been here for generations.
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Postby Norstal » Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:06 am

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What :blink: That makes no sense whatsoever.

If companies are forced to pay illegals the same wage as normal Americans, there will be no incentive whatsoever to hire illegals. Really, its that simple.

I may not be as manly a man as he is, but it seems to me that the native people of a nation have the right to expect to come first in their own nation. Otherwise it is not a nation; it's just a giant market. I know globalism is pushing us that way anyway, but we could at least put up a token resistance. It being a recession and all.

Yeah, but this is only in relations to governments. Because, companies are its own private entity. I've never heard of the government hiring illegals. And it'd be a silly thing to force companies like Honda or Kia to not hire illegals. Because they're not American at all and they bought the land they sell their wares on.

Not to mention that companies CAN break this rule. There's nothing stopping them to do so, except fines. OOoooh, Walmart has to pay $10k for each illegal they hire.
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Postby Norstal » Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:09 am

Nobel Hobos wrote:It's confusingly worded, but I guess it means "make hiring people legal even though they are not legal residents; require employers to pay them the legal minimum wage".

It's an amnesty, but only for working "illegals" and only within the scope of employment.

If you want simpler than that: you're against it. :p

But illegals don't come here with money. Or if they are, they're not an illegal immigrant. They are convicts.
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Postby Equimanthon » Tue Oct 19, 2010 8:17 am

Angleter wrote:In Britain we have multiculturalism, where for example the Kashmiri community generally lives together, they speak Kashmiri between each other (even among second- and third-generation immigrants), and identify as Kashmiris living in Britain, viewing the English/Scottish/Welsh/Nirish culture around them with suspicion.


Maybe in Tower Hamlets or Bradford or some other shithole like that, but generally that's not the case.
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Tue Oct 19, 2010 8:18 am

UnitedStatesOfAmerica- wrote:Has multiculturalism failed?


No.

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Postby Lauchlin » Tue Oct 19, 2010 8:21 am

Grave_n_idle wrote:
UnitedStatesOfAmerica- wrote:Has multiculturalism failed?


No.

/thread. (in an ideal world)

In an ideal world I would be making a joke here about how multiculturalism hasn't failed because with the evidence being how well I've been getting along with women of different cultures in my city, but this world is less than ideal so I will restrain myself.

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Postby Jingoist Hippostan » Tue Oct 19, 2010 8:24 am

I'd say it's worked to an extent in America, but I don't like the reasoning behind it.

Sure, some cultures are perfectly good. On the other hand, the claim that there's no "wrong" cultures is ridiculous. Saudi Arabia, for example. Sucks.
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Postby Kazomal » Tue Oct 19, 2010 8:26 am

Tokos wrote:I may not be as manly a man as he is, but it seems to me that the native people of a nation have the right to expect to come first in their own nation.


Tell that to the Native Americans, who suffer from an even higher unemployment rate than the children of invaders and immigrants.
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Tue Oct 19, 2010 8:27 am

Tokos wrote:
Norstal wrote:Solution: make hiring illegals legal, but force companies to pay them equal wages.


What :blink: That makes no sense whatsoever.

As this guy puts it:



I may not be as manly a man as he is, but it seems to me that the native people of a nation have the right to expect to come first in their own nation.


So... Cherokee should get preference when applying for jobs?
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Postby Laerod » Tue Oct 19, 2010 8:34 am

Tokos wrote:
Norstal wrote:Solution: make hiring illegals legal, but force companies to pay them equal wages.


What :blink: That makes no sense whatsoever.

Yes it does. The reason why people hire illegals is because they don't have to pay them as much as regular hard working, red-white-and-blue-blooded, flag-waving, car-driving Americans. That and the fact that you can easily get rid of them since they can't really form a union is what makes it so attractive. So the idea is, remove the main incentives for hiring illegals (easy to get rid of, cheap) and less illegals will be hired.

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Postby Kalynosis » Tue Oct 19, 2010 9:35 am

First off, if they hire an illegal, the employer is breaking the law. Report him. The person who made that sort obviously doesn't know labor laws well.
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Postby Norstal » Tue Oct 19, 2010 9:45 am

Kalynosis wrote:First off, if they hire an illegal, the employer is breaking the law. Report him. The person who made that sort obviously doesn't know labor laws well.

And as I've stated before, the penalty for breaking this law is a maximum of $10k fine. Not like you can put Walmart out of business or arrest the CEO or whatever for hiring illegal. Because, hey, they didn't know they are an illegal either.
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Postby Kalynosis » Tue Oct 19, 2010 10:04 am

They're supposed to ask for credentials.

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Postby Old Erisia » Tue Oct 19, 2010 10:08 am

Kalynosis wrote:They're supposed to ask for credentials.

Fake ID, social and check the "legal resident" box of the form you're given when hired.
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Postby Kalynosis » Tue Oct 19, 2010 10:10 am

Employer's fault for not checking. In my past three jobs, there was a lot of paper work to file.
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Tue Oct 19, 2010 10:11 am

Kalynosis wrote:Employer's fault for not checking. In my past three jobs, there was a lot of paper work to file.


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