Multiculturalism Has Failed: Your Experience

[UnitedStatesOfAmerica-]

This morning the leader of Germany declared that multiculturalism was a failure. There is probably already a thread about this. But I'd like to take this in a different direction because it has me thinking. Has multiculturalism failed and to what extent. To a large extent, multicultural day in my area is nothing more than Mexican Pride Day because the only culture allowed is Mexican culture. The reason given is that "we are majority Mexican and we don't tolerate camel jockeys or chink crap."
This has soured me on mutliculturalism in California because multicultural means accepting the equality of all cultures, not just one or two. It also means promoting many different languages, not just spanish. I know that immigrants have been blamed for this but, from what I observed, it's only a tiny minority of Mexican immigrants who have engaged in this racist form of cultural imperialism. The majority of the blame belongs to the white people because they are not doing enough to ensure that mulitculturalism is truly multicultural. Instead they have allowed a tiny group of radicals Mexicans, who were not even born in Mexico but in South Central LA to seize control of the state and use multiculturalism as a cover to promote Mexican racism that likely did not even originate in Mexico. Perhaps it is more correct to call it barrio racism?
When you have an event to promote multiculturalism it means you have accurate portrayals of each culture and each culture is given equal time and equal resources at your event or on the assigned M day even if you have to import them from other parts of the state or US. It also means that instead of only spanish being allowed on the ballots and other government issued documents you put all other languages on there also.

What do you think of the reality of multiculturalism based on your own experience, both objective and subjective in your area you live. Please state the place pr event where you had the experience. And the country/state it was held in. My experience is likely not the same. Probably not even the same as what they do in northern Cali let alone other parts of southern Cali. Can you say the event you attended was truly multicultural or was monocultural?

[Norstal]

Source.

Multiculturalism has worked in America.
My source is the existence of Panda Express and Del Taco.

Oh and the World Trade Center was designed by a Japanese.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trad ... nstruction

[The Congregationists]

Isn't there already a thread about this?

[Norstal]

Isn't there already a thread about this?

Well this one asks if multiculturalism failed in other countries.

[UnitedStatesOfAmerica-]

Source.

Multiculturalism has worked in America.
My source is the existence of Panda Express and Del Taco.

Oh and the World Trade Center was designed by a Japanese.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trad ... nstruction

Del Taco does not count as multiculturalism because it created by a white guy and based on a racial stereotype of Mexican culture. A lot of the foods we assume were made in Mexico were actually created in the US. The same goes for foods we assumed were created in Europe such as the hot dog. It was the sausage that was made in Europe, the hot dog is actually American.

[Innsmothe]

Source.

Multiculturalism has worked in America.
My source is the existence of Panda Express and Del Taco.

Oh and the World Trade Center was designed by a Japanese.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trad ... nstruction

Del Taco does not count as multiculturalism because it created by a white guy and based on a racial stereotype of Mexican culture. A lot of the foods we assume were made in Mexico were actually created in the US. The same goes for foods we assumed were created in Europe such as the hot dog. It was the sausage that was made in Europe, the hot dog is actually American.

A German-American. *nods*

[Norstal]

Source.

Multiculturalism has worked in America.
My source is the existence of Panda Express and Del Taco.

Oh and the World Trade Center was designed by a Japanese.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trad ... nstruction

Del Taco does not count as multiculturalism because it created by a white guy and based on a racial stereotype of Mexican culture. A lot of the foods we assume were made in Mexico were actually created in the US. The same goes for foods we assumed were created in Europe such as the hot dog. It was the sausage that was made in Europe, the hot dog is actually American.

True, I probably shouldve looked at that first. Btw, I live in Southern Cali.

I don't remember having to vote for any Mexican as governor or senator and our LA mayor does have a Mexican-sounding name (were you referring to that?), but that doesn't mean Mexicans have taken over our ballots, or even our state. Perhaps I'm blind, but the very fact that in most schools that I attend and have attended tolerates all races, makes me believe that multiculturalism was successful. How long it would be successful is a different question. Schools, I understand, is not an event per-se, but it is a public facility.

I guess, here's a better example. I attended a job-fair recently and the number of employers I saw are varied by race. They treated me as if I were any other race, no more no less. All the attendees, however if I can recall, have few whites in them. But it shouldn't really matter since they were treated the same.

Racist portrayals in the media still exist. That I can agree on. But this is the media, and I tolerate, nay, encourage racism in the media as long as its funny. Its part of humor. I don't mind having my race being portrayed negatively on TV, as long as its not in the extreme and has a purpose for it.

[Angleter]

Multithreadism shall also fail.

[Desperate Measures]

Isn't there already a thread about this?

Well this one asks if multiculturalism failed in other countries.

[Cosmopoles]

Multithreadism shall also fail.

We don't take kindly to duplicate threads round these here parts.

[Alan S]

Damn right. We should knock those sombreros off those mexicans in parade with good old american baseball bats and integrate them with baseball caps. Just no violence, please. It scares me.

[Angleter]

Source.

Multiculturalism has worked in America.
My source is the existence of Panda Express and Del Taco.

Oh and the World Trade Center was designed by a Japanese.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trad ... nstruction

That's a melting pot combined with multiethnicity.

Multiculturalism is the acceptance and support of immigrant communities' separate cultural identity compared to the indigenous one(s). And unless your German-Americans still speak German and identify as Germans before Americans, then it's not in the USA.

[Newest Accord]

A Sign of the times? Lightning strike on the Statue of 'Liberty'
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/49482000/jpg/_49482272_caters_lightning_new_york_01.jpg

[Helertia]

A Sign of the times? Lightning strike on the Statue of 'Liberty'
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/49482000/jpg/_49482272_caters_lightning_new_york_01.jpg

And that has... what to do with this?

[Jervak]

Multiculturalism in the context of western societies under globalisation could per definition not become anything else than a failure, to the extent that solidarity is thrown out the window when the state is dismantling the welfare system. People are seeking safety within their own social groups then, and that would always breed conflicts between groups.

You cannot simply deny the enormous problems with unemployment, racism, inter-ethnic fighting and so on which is breeding within the multiculturalist discourse. A lot of these problems would exist even if the majority populations had no racist attitudes at all.

[Old Erisia]

A Sign of the times? Lightning strike on the Statue of 'Liberty'
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/49482000/jpg/_49482272_caters_lightning_new_york_01.jpg

I can't tell if you're serious anymore...

Also, someone should ask for a thread merge.

[Cyndonian Legion]

Any type of multicultural event I've been to in the Central Valley has been, well, multicultural. We just had one not two weeks ago at my college actually. Native Americans, Japanese, African Americans, Mexicans, and the Portuguese all set up their own stands/booths with music(the Native Americans actually took center stage with some drums), clothing, and food(my favorite part ).

[UnitedStatesOfAmerica-]

Del Taco does not count as multiculturalism because it created by a white guy and based on a racial stereotype of Mexican culture. A lot of the foods we assume were made in Mexico were actually created in the US. The same goes for foods we assumed were created in Europe such as the hot dog. It was the sausage that was made in Europe, the hot dog is actually American.

True, I probably shouldve looked at that first. Btw, I live in Southern Cali.

I don't remember having to vote for any Mexican as governor or senator and our LA mayor does have a Mexican-sounding name (were you referring to that?), but that doesn't mean Mexicans have taken over our ballots, or even our state. Perhaps I'm blind, but the very fact that in most schools that I attend and have attended tolerates all races, makes me believe that multiculturalism was successful. How long it would be successful is a different question. Schools, I understand, is not an event per-se, but it is a public facility.

I guess, here's a better example. I attended a job-fair recently and the number of employers I saw are varied by race. They treated me as if I were any other race, no more no less. All the attendees, however if I can recall, have few whites in them. But it shouldn't really matter since they were treated the same.

Racist portrayals in the media still exist. That I can agree on. But this is the media, and I tolerate, nay, encourage racism in the media as long as its funny. Its part of humor. I don't mind having my race being portrayed negatively on TV, as long as its not in the extreme and has a purpose for it.

Not elections. At election time you get whoever is available and, hopefully, most qualified although the latter is rarely true these days. Multiculturalism can be difficult in some schools because you have a diversity of people to start with. But when you city sponsored multi cultural days that are used to label was is essentially a promotion of racism on the part of one race, that is where I have the problem.

Job fairs are not usually set up to promote multiculturalism but to help employers meet qualified job applicants regardless of race or culture. There is a multicultural aspect but it is a side effect of the fairs' primary objective.

Again, I would iterate that it is only a small minority who are doing this. The majority of people have no clue this happening and just accept whatever is labeled multiculturalism even if it is not.

If an event is labeled a multicultural fair, and when you go, there are only booths promoting white "hilly billy" culture and the representation of other cultures is discouraged, can you really call that multi cultural? In my part of Southern Cali, other parts are different, I've seen this. But in my area, they have an event that is multicultural day/fair, but when you go, the only booths around are booths promoting Mexican culture and the other cultures are strongly discouraged or priced out of being allowed to participate. We have never had Asian culture represented. Nor have they allowed the representation of Islamic, Arabic, Indian, Jewish, or even African or Eastern European cultures.

Is it multicultural if only one specific ethnic group is encouraged to participate and there is no support or encouragement for other groups to participate?

[Desperate Measures]

A Sign of the times? Lightning strike on the Statue of 'Liberty'
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/49482000/jpg/_49482272_caters_lightning_new_york_01.jpg

You're fucking kidding me!

[UnitedStatesOfAmerica-]

Source.

Multiculturalism has worked in America.
My source is the existence of Panda Express and Del Taco.

Oh and the World Trade Center was designed by a Japanese.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trad ... nstruction

That's a melting pot combined with multiethnicity.

Multiculturalism is the acceptance and support of immigrant communities' separate cultural identity compared to the indigenous one(s). And unless your German-Americans still speak German and identify as Germans before Americans, then it's not in the USA.

How do you define indigenous culture? Is it aboriginal? Is it what ever the majority happens to be at the moment? How do you define it in a place such as the US?

[Grenartia]

Multiculturalism can be successful, but it hasn't been as successful as we hoped it would've. The biggest obstacle to the success of multiculturalism is that the minority use it as an excuse to say that the majority will tolerate the minority's intolerance of the majority's culture, i.e. Mexicans illegally immigrating to the US, and refusing to learn the language, because they know we will put up with it.

I actually think that we would be better off with out it. Think about this: The majority of immigrants that came through Ellis Island did learn English (if they didn't know it already) and successfully integrated into American society without losing their cultural identity. Which is how many holidays are now distinctly American, such as Halloween (Irish); or how many traditions are now American, such as Christmas trees (German). But these things only happened because the immigrants accepted American culture, and allowed the Americans to accept certain traditions from their culture.

[Saurisia]

It HAS failed, cause it's a stupid belief.

[Grenartia]

It HAS failed, cause it's a stupid belief.

^he's half right

[Thevenin]

If it's failed it's not because Multiculturalism is a bad idea, it's because people are stubborn, bigoted morons.

[United Gackle]

muticulturalism doesn't fail, in my area of the US and everyone gets along here.


Edit: it just needs work by the people.