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Re: If I only had $23,148,855,308,184,500...

Postby Javoul » Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:06 pm

He probably tried buy Congress to declare war on Canda for being menaces to all mankind.
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Postby Non Aligned States » Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:15 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:As for the main question - hello interstellar starship.


You've all got interesting goals, but no real plan of action on how to achieve it.

Now mine for example, would be a bit different. First and foremost, buy out a developed country's deficit with significant industrial base and space capacity. Russia, Japan, China, Europe, heck, maybe even India, but the strongest contender is Russia since they've got the long experience in rocket building. I've left out America because the usual political infighting. This is important.

Now with my chosen state in my debt, I would contract them to begin large scale surface to space launches, with a lot of emphasis on beginning a proper orbital industry that would be capable of processing raw materials and producing finished goods, particularly, an orbital shipyard. The final goal is to create a space station capable of processing materials, providing long term living space and assembling/maintaining any docked craft. Equal funding will be directed into high strength materials research, orion drives, and self sustaining life support systems. The end goal is fast explorer ships for poking around the asteroid belt and the viability of bringing back asteroids for ostensibly orbital mining by installing engines on them.

Next up, with the advances in life support research, the establishment of a self sustaining permanent lunar base or space station. Secret negotiations with the head of state of my client state to the secret arming of orbital craft and the militarization of space.

The big push. Announcement of new world order, with the client state as my stewards (and all the trappings that goes with it). Dissenting states get annihilated with rocks a half mile across dropped from orbit.

I may have left out a step or three, but one should never reveal all the critical steps in their plan for global domination.

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Re: If I only had $23,148,855,308,184,500...

Postby Grave_n_idle » Fri Jul 17, 2009 2:36 pm

Maurepas wrote:
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Vetalia wrote:I think that's sort of the policy North Korea uses in regard to emigrants. I guess it works...


North Korea encourages people that don't like the regime to resettle?

I think they "resettle" them into Prisons, as well as the more traditional, bringing them out back to put a bullet in their head, ;)


That's pretty much what I was thinking.

I thought it nonsensical for someone to suggest that - under PRIVATE ownership of an entire nation - a 'love it or leave it' approach was somehow comparable to death-squads and political prisons.
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Postby Derscon » Fri Jul 17, 2009 3:13 pm

Grave_n_idle wrote:
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Grave_n_idle wrote:North Korea encourages people that don't like the regime to resettle?

I think they "resettle" them into Prisons, as well as the more traditional, bringing them out back to put a bullet in their head, ;)


That's pretty much what I was thinking.

I thought it nonsensical for someone to suggest that - under PRIVATE ownership of an entire nation - a 'love it or leave it' approach was somehow comparable to death-squads and political prisons.


While I disagree with your particular choice of policy implementation...

Under the assumption that you did, in fact, legitimately purchase the entirety of the United States - and I don't mean just from the State, but bought up all the land under US jurisdiction from its private owners, as well - then the tracts of land are your personal property, and you have the right to not associate with whomever you choose.
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Postby Maurepas » Fri Jul 17, 2009 3:14 pm

Derscon wrote:
While I disagree with your particular choice of policy implementation...

Under the assumption that you did, in fact, legitimately purchase the entirety of the United States - and I don't mean just from the State, but bought up all the land under US jurisdiction from its private owners, as well - then the tracts of land are your personal property, and you have the right to not associate with whomever you choose.

But, not all US land is for sale, and, the parts that are can be claimed under Eminent Domain, ;)

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Postby Grave_n_idle » Fri Jul 17, 2009 3:18 pm

Maurepas wrote:
Derscon wrote:
While I disagree with your particular choice of policy implementation...

Under the assumption that you did, in fact, legitimately purchase the entirety of the United States - and I don't mean just from the State, but bought up all the land under US jurisdiction from its private owners, as well - then the tracts of land are your personal property, and you have the right to not associate with whomever you choose.

But, not all US land is for sale, and, the parts that are can be claimed under Eminent Domain, ;)


We're talking about a nonsensical figure of money, that allows you to create nonsensical conjectures. For the sake of assumption, let's go with me 'buying out' the government and everyone willing to sell, and then compulsary purchasing the remainder. Or something. :D
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Postby Maurepas » Fri Jul 17, 2009 3:23 pm

Grave_n_idle wrote:
Maurepas wrote:
Derscon wrote:
While I disagree with your particular choice of policy implementation...

Under the assumption that you did, in fact, legitimately purchase the entirety of the United States - and I don't mean just from the State, but bought up all the land under US jurisdiction from its private owners, as well - then the tracts of land are your personal property, and you have the right to not associate with whomever you choose.

But, not all US land is for sale, and, the parts that are can be claimed under Eminent Domain, ;)


We're talking about a nonsensical figure of money, that allows you to create nonsensical conjectures. For the sake of assumption, let's go with me 'buying out' the government and everyone willing to sell, and then compulsary purchasing the remainder. Or something. :D

Communist! :p

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Postby Grave_n_idle » Fri Jul 17, 2009 3:25 pm

Maurepas wrote:Communist! :p


The sad thing is - that might actually be the best response to my suggestion, so far. :*(
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Postby Derscon » Fri Jul 17, 2009 3:54 pm

Grave_n_idle wrote:
Maurepas wrote:
Derscon wrote:
While I disagree with your particular choice of policy implementation...

Under the assumption that you did, in fact, legitimately purchase the entirety of the United States - and I don't mean just from the State, but bought up all the land under US jurisdiction from its private owners, as well - then the tracts of land are your personal property, and you have the right to not associate with whomever you choose.

But, not all US land is for sale, and, the parts that are can be claimed under Eminent Domain, ;)


We're talking about a nonsensical figure of money, that allows you to create nonsensical conjectures. For the sake of assumption, let's go with me 'buying out' the government and everyone willing to sell, and then compulsary purchasing the remainder. Or something. :D


I was assuming you acquired it all legitimately (I view emminent domain as illegitimate, but that's neither here nor there) for the purposes of this hypothetical situation. :P
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Fri Jul 17, 2009 3:55 pm

Derscon wrote:I was assuming you acquired it all legitimately (I view emminent domain as illegitimate, but that's neither here nor there) for the purposes of this hypothetical situation. :P


Yah, me too. People would gladly sell me stuff. Alaska is my proof. :D
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Postby Dinaverg » Fri Jul 17, 2009 3:55 pm

That's probably enough money to change your view on eminent domain.
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Postby Maurepas » Fri Jul 17, 2009 3:57 pm

Dinaverg wrote:That's probably enough money to change your view on eminent domain.

Idk, what is more important to people? Money, or Political Power?

Thats a tough one, honestly...

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Postby Non Aligned States » Fri Jul 17, 2009 6:13 pm

Maurepas wrote:Communist! :p


He's bought out the government. So it's called eminent domain.

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Postby Maurepas » Fri Jul 17, 2009 6:16 pm

Non Aligned States wrote:
Maurepas wrote:Communist! :p


He's bought out the government. So it's called eminent domain.

Um...What?

Presumably, eminent domain would be what the government used to get the land back, or if he is the government, and the previous one willfully disbanded, then the concept would be irrelevant, as the land would already be his...

But, still, whats your point? I was joking...

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Postby Big Jim P » Fri Jul 17, 2009 6:28 pm

I would buy the world (or a large part of it) and as the owner, I would force the UN (or individual national governments, hell I'll certainly have the free time) to pass legislation forgiving my debt, thereby taking over the world for nothing.
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Postby Satellite Indoslavokia » Fri Jul 17, 2009 6:35 pm

I'd buy the world. Literally. Call me "Self-Purchased Dictator of Earth".

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Postby Cameroi » Fri Jul 17, 2009 11:45 pm

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Postby The Alma Mater » Sat Jul 18, 2009 12:17 am

Non Aligned States wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:As for the main question - hello interstellar starship.


You've all got interesting goals, but no real plan of action on how to achieve it.


I'd have $23,148,855,308,184,500. I can hire people to plan ;)
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Postby Heinleinites » Sat Jul 18, 2009 1:00 am

Grave_n_idle wrote:I'd buy the US and institute a new test for citizenship. Only one question "Are you in favour of universal healthcare"? The correct answer is yes. 'No' answers get you deported.


Now see, I'd do almost the same thing. Except on my test, people would be placed in a giant catapult right before they were asked the question, and a 'Yes' answer would trip the lever. Or maybe I'd just settle for some kind of Clockwork Orange-style "re-education" machine, whichever is more entertaining to watch.

Some of the money would go to a secret hollowed-out James Bond villian type volcano lair. Or maybe an asteroid base, I'm not sure.
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Postby Triniteras2 » Sat Jul 18, 2009 1:17 am

Grand_n_idle, why do you deport the people who don't vote for universal healthcare? Why not put them in comfortable labour camps? Is only deporting them necessary for the comfort of the population, or what?
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Sat Jul 18, 2009 10:39 am

Heinleinites wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:I'd buy the US and institute a new test for citizenship. Only one question "Are you in favour of universal healthcare"? The correct answer is yes. 'No' answers get you deported.


Now see, I'd do almost the same thing. Except on my test, people would be placed in a giant catapult right before they were asked the question, and a 'Yes' answer would trip the lever. Or maybe I'd just settle for some kind of Clockwork Orange-style "re-education" machine, whichever is more entertaining to watch.

Some of the money would go to a secret hollowed-out James Bond villian type volcano lair. Or maybe an asteroid base, I'm not sure.


Meh. Petty vengeance holds little appeal to me. If I'm going to build a utopia, I can do it without the need for retribution against those who disagree.
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Sat Jul 18, 2009 10:41 am

Triniteras2 wrote:Grand_n_idle, why do you deport the people who don't vote for universal healthcare? Why not put them in comfortable labour camps? Is only deporting them necessary for the comfort of the population, or what?


The model is only fair if everyone contributes, and everyone has access.

I'm assuming a vote against healthcare is a destructive influence - such as, that person would refuse to contribute to ANY plan, but would make claims on the system JUST to spite the model. Such people are not wanted.
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Postby Tantranesi » Sat Jul 18, 2009 10:47 am

I'd pay off the national cumulative national debts of North America. And buy a car.....and maybe a hooker....

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Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Sat Jul 18, 2009 10:58 am

Tantranesi wrote:I'd pay off the national cumulative national debts of North America. And buy a car.....and maybe a hooker....


The world's debt is US$54,610,000,000,000. If you were to pay it off it still leaves you with $23 quadrillion: to me, the moon missions would be revived at this rate.
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:00 am

Tantranesi wrote:I'd pay off the national cumulative national debts of North America. And buy a car.....and maybe a hooker....


You're going to BUY a hooker?

Isn't that usually just a 'rental' arrangement?
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