Obamacare Insurance Mandate Ruled Constitutional

[MisanthropicPopulism]

oh deus dont make me rant! there are several extreme conservative republican/teapartiers who advocate PRIVATISING MEDICARE after spending all last summer scared to death that hcr was going to take it away. and the same "keep your government hands off my medicare" people are working to get them elected!

O_o That is fucking scary.

No one ever went broke overestimating the stupidity of the American public.

[Yootwopia]

O_o That is fucking scary.

No one ever went broke underestimating the stupidity of the American public.

Other than the California state government, natch.

[Northern Itasca]

One federal judge's ruling on something like this doesn't mean much. This is going to the U.S. Supreme Court and then we'll see how things turn out.

[Farnhamia]

One federal judge's ruling on something like this doesn't mean much. This is going to the U.S. Supreme Court and then we'll see how things turn out.

Not necessarily. If enough lower courts make good enough rulings, in the eyes of SCOTUS, they could just as well decide not to hear the case.

[MisanthropicPopulism]

One federal judge's ruling on something like this doesn't mean much. This is going to the U.S. Supreme Court and then we'll see how things turn out.

Not necessarily. If enough lower courts make good enough rulings, in the eyes of SCOTUS, they could just as well decide not to hear the case.

The John Roberts Supreme Court of Conservatopia? No way. If this gets taken to them, they are going to overrule it quick, fast, and in a hurry. And Scalia will say something hypocritical and condescendingly self-righteous.

[Ashmoria]

Not necessarily. If enough lower courts make good enough rulings, in the eyes of SCOTUS, they could just as well decide not to hear the case.

The John Roberts Supreme Court of Conservatopia? No way. If this gets taken to them, they are going to overrule it quick, fast, and in a hurry. And Scalia will say something hypocritical and condescendingly self-righteous.

dont you wonder if alito regrets his "thats not true" response at the state of the union when the president said that their citizen's united ruliing was going to open the floodgates of corporate cash into elections?

[Farnhamia]

Not necessarily. If enough lower courts make good enough rulings, in the eyes of SCOTUS, they could just as well decide not to hear the case.

The John Roberts Supreme Court of Conservatopia? No way. If this gets taken to them, they are going to overrule it quick, fast, and in a hurry. And Scalia will say something hypocritical and condescendingly self-righteous.

And Thomas will say nothing at all. Yeah, I know.

[Farnhamia]

The John Roberts Supreme Court of Conservatopia? No way. If this gets taken to them, they are going to overrule it quick, fast, and in a hurry. And Scalia will say something hypocritical and condescendingly self-righteous.

dont you wonder if alito regrets his "thats not true" response at the state of the union when the president said that their citizen's united ruliing was going to open the floodgates of corporate cash into elections?

Regrets it? I doubt he does, not for a second, Ash.

[Ashmoria]

dont you wonder if alito regrets his "thats not true" response at the state of the union when the president said that their citizen's united ruliing was going to open the floodgates of corporate cash into elections?

Regrets it? I doubt he does, not for a second, Ash.

not the ruling but his obvious stupidity for denying that it was going to happen.

[Farnhamia]

Regrets it? I doubt he does, not for a second, Ash.

not the ruling but his obvious stupidity for denying that it was going to happen.

If he doesn't think it's bad, why would he? And it's hard to tell what he thought was "not true."

"Last week, the Supreme Court reversed a century of law to open the floodgates for special interests — including foreign corporations — to spend without limit in our elections," Obama said. "Well I don’t think American elections should be bankrolled by America’s most powerful interests, or worse, by foreign entities. They should be decided by the American people, and that’s why I’m urging Democrats and Republicans to pass a bill that helps to right this wrong."

[The Lone Alliance]

The John Roberts Supreme Court of Conservatopia? No way. If this gets taken to them, they are going to overrule it quick, fast, and in a hurry. And Scalia will say something hypocritical and condescendingly self-righteous.

Can't you hit judges for political pandering?

[MisanthropicPopulism]

The John Roberts Supreme Court of Conservatopia? No way. If this gets taken to them, they are going to overrule it quick, fast, and in a hurry. And Scalia will say something hypocritical and condescendingly self-righteous.

Can't you hit judges for political pandering?

Not Scalia apparently.

[Tenjiku (Ancient)]

I think this is bullshite.

It's like trying to abolish homelessness by "mandating" that everyone purchase a home without taking any serious provisions to make home ownership more affordable, then penalizing those who can't afford insurance.

This is just another disguised bailout, this time for the health insurance industry. And I think it's outrageous that the government is allowed to mandate people to buy any corporate product, particularly one that is as crappy as the health "insurance" being foisted on us by a greedy and corrupt industry.

Missing throughout this whole "debate" was an acknowledgement of the simple fact that health care is not health insurance.

[Comrad Obama]

h.r. 676 was the bill i supported.. but of course that would never pass.. it's too bad that ted kennedy, the champion of health care reform, passed away and was replaced by obstructionist scott brown who didn't have any plans for health care reform, but fair enough.. his opponent, coakley, was an idiot who blew a 20 point lead by not campaigning until the last week! we wouldn't have the public option anyway, obama made a deal to get the mandate in and the public option out back in the summer of 2009.

[Ashmoria]

h.r. 676 was the bill i supported.. but of course that would never pass.. it's too bad that ted kennedy, the champion of health care reform, passed away and was replaced by obstructionist scott brown who didn't have any plans for health care reform, but fair enough.. his opponent, coakley, was an idiot who blew a 20 point lead by not campaigning until the last week! we wouldn't have the public option anyway, obama made a deal to get the mandate in and the public option out back in the summer of 2009.

yeah

but that doesnt mean that we cant fight to get the public option anyway. i doubt the president would veto it. (the current president, i mean. president PALIN would veto it in a heartbeat)

[Farnhamia]

h.r. 676 was the bill i supported.. but of course that would never pass.. it's too bad that ted kennedy, the champion of health care reform, passed away and was replaced by obstructionist scott brown who didn't have any plans for health care reform, but fair enough.. his opponent, coakley, was an idiot who blew a 20 point lead by not campaigning until the last week! we wouldn't have the public option anyway, obama made a deal to get the mandate in and the public option out back in the summer of 2009.

yeah

but that doesnt mean that we cant fight to get the public option anyway. i doubt the president would veto it. (the current president, i mean. president PALIN would veto it in a heartbeat)

Don't even say "President Palin" in jest, Ash.

[Ashmoria]

yeah

but that doesnt mean that we cant fight to get the public option anyway. i doubt the president would veto it. (the current president, i mean. president PALIN would veto it in a heartbeat)

Don't even say "President Palin" in jest, Ash.

im sorry. i didnt mean to make you ill.

[Vestbredden]

It would have been better if the hospitals and clinics had been nationalized. All healthcare could be paid for though taxes. All medical personell would be government employees with a fixed yearly income.

[Ashmoria]

It would have been better if the hospitals and clinics had been nationalized. All healthcare could be paid for though taxes. All medical personell would be government employees with a fixed yearly income.

thats what my (republican) husband thinks.

i called him a communist.

[The Cat-Tribe]

I think this is bullshite.

It's like trying to abolish homelessness by "mandating" that everyone purchase a home without taking any serious provisions to make home ownership more affordable, then penalizing those who can't afford insurance.

This is just another disguised bailout, this time for the health insurance industry. And I think it's outrageous that the government is allowed to mandate people to buy any corporate product, particularly one that is as crappy as the health "insurance" being foisted on us by a greedy and corrupt industry.

Missing throughout this whole "debate" was an acknowledgement of the simple fact that health care is not health insurance.

Another stellar legal argument refuting the District Court's decision and clearly demonstrating the Health Care Reform Act is unconstitutional .....

.... EXCEPT it does NOT refer to the law, the Constitution, the District Court's decision, or make anything resembling a coherent legal argument.

[Caninope]

I think this is bullshite.

It's like trying to abolish homelessness by "mandating" that everyone purchase a home without taking any serious provisions to make home ownership more affordable, then penalizing those who can't afford insurance.

This is just another disguised bailout, this time for the health insurance industry. And I think it's outrageous that the government is allowed to mandate people to buy any corporate product, particularly one that is as crappy as the health "insurance" being foisted on us by a greedy and corrupt industry.

Missing throughout this whole "debate" was an acknowledgement of the simple fact that health care is not health insurance.

Another stellar legal argument refuting the District Court's decision and clearly demonstrating the Health Care Reform Act is unconstitutional .....

.... EXCEPT it does NOT refer to the law, the Constitution, the District Court's decision, or make anything resembling a coherent legal argument.

I don't think that was so much aimed at the constitutionality as the insanity of some of the bill.

[The Twilight Shadow]

It would have been better if the hospitals and clinics had been nationalized. All healthcare could be paid for though taxes. All medical personell would be government employees with a fixed yearly income.

thats what my (republican) husband thinks.

i called him a communist.

Call him a Canadian, that's more or less how our public health care system works. What you Americans must remember is that a public health care system is funded by taxes, taxes are controlled by the gov't and the gov't is controlled by the people. Contrary to what the powers that be would have you believe he government doesn't tell you what's going to happen, YOU tell the GOVERNMENT what's going to happen. Therefore the people control a public health care system while with private health care the only control they have is whether to choose to purchase it or not. Now understanding this, and the fact you have just lost your choice of whether to purchase health insurance from the private sector it seems to me that your options are becoming increasingly limited. First off you could become extremely selective as to which companies you purchase from, which has limited flexibility if they all practice similar stratagies to screw you. (And we must remember that just because you pay your premiums does not mean you will automatically be eligable to claim your insurance. They DO try and find any excuse they can not to pay.) However that means incuring more debt, both on an individual and national level and anyone who's looked into how the banking system works. . .

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 790090544# (Watch it or don't. I merely post it to give you the choice.)

knows that unless there is substantial monatary reform we're due for more economic crashes the farther the right we go. Besides shouldn't everyone be entitled to decent health care in this day and age? Everyone pays taxes. Everyone has, or should have, a political voice, and last I checked every adult American citizen has the right to vote. So why do Americans feel as if they are not in control of the public sector? What I do not understand about American culture is how you can not feel obligated to pay for someone else's needs when they are, at least in part, paying for yours and why you would feel this type of relationship is inappropriate. Why the rich would not be ethically obligated to take care of the poor. Why hoarding of money and self centeredness is so prevalent in your country. I'm all for freedom, self improvement and individuality but one must remember that one is dependant, always and every step of the way, upon the community they are in. Every meal you eat had to be grown by a farmer somewhere, and cooked by someone and power supplied by someone. Your parents raised you, you have friends that support you, random events that help you get you where you are going, life is full of these things. Point is the self made man is a myth. Go buy and sell to your hearts content but don't think one person is an army unto themselves.

We the people are the political control and financial strength of a public health care system. But with private health care you're on your own. And from what I see America is getting screwed.

[New Chalcedon]

Another stellar legal argument refuting the District Court's decision and clearly demonstrating the Health Care Reform Act is unconstitutional .....

.... EXCEPT it does NOT refer to the law, the Constitution, the District Court's decision, or make anything resembling a coherent legal argument.

I don't think that was so much aimed at the constitutionality as the insanity of some of the bill.

Then why vent it on a thread about the judicial ruling? It's clear-cut threadjacking.

[Caninope]

I don't think that was so much aimed at the constitutionality as the insanity of some of the bill.

Then why vent it on a thread about the judicial ruling? It's clear-cut threadjacking.

Because it's on a related tangent, and starting yet another thread on the bill would be a waste.

[Korintar]

So basically, congress was like, "eh, you're probably gonna use it so let's make it mandatory."

it doesnt work out financially if large numbers of healthy people are allowed to opt out of insurance. so they mandated it.

now they have to figure out a way to make it really affordable for everyone.

But why allow currently existing private insurance companies to run things? Just seems a little to friendly to the scumbags for my tastes. Maybe the currently existing companies could be disolved and have insurance funds offered through a workplace or network of medical centers with the workers, in the case of workplace health insurance, or patient/consumers, in the case of the medical network, manage the funds (worker and consumer cooperatives) as a side benefit, not as a separate for-profit business. Those that would fall between the cracks in such a system would have a public option to fall back on (basically Medicare/Medicaid with a greatly enhanced budget).