by New new nebraska » Sat Oct 09, 2010 9:39 am
by Ashmoria » Sat Oct 09, 2010 9:41 am
by Tubbsalot » Sat Oct 09, 2010 9:41 am
by Yootwopia » Sat Oct 09, 2010 9:41 am
by Dyakovo » Sat Oct 09, 2010 9:46 am
Yootwopia wrote:I have no real comments on its constitutionality, but big props for basically getting to where we were in 1911, Americans.
by Hassett » Sat Oct 09, 2010 9:48 am
by Wamitoria » Sat Oct 09, 2010 9:49 am
by Ashmoria » Sat Oct 09, 2010 9:51 am
Hassett wrote:So basically, congress was like, "eh, you're probably gonna use it so let's make it mandatory."
by Mossat » Sat Oct 09, 2010 10:01 am
by Galloism » Sat Oct 09, 2010 10:06 am
Ashmoria wrote:of course its constitutional.
all it required was the proper framing of the "mandate".
i think we need to fight to add in a public option. then the mandate isnt just a giveaway to the insurance companies.
by Ashmoria » Sat Oct 09, 2010 10:06 am
Mossat wrote: I say that the Obama Administration is infringing on the rights of the people one too many times. The people of the United States of America did NOT want this Obamacare bill imposed on them, no matter what ACORN or CNN or C-SPAN or whatever the Communoliberal spin doctors say!
by Doitzel » Sat Oct 09, 2010 10:08 am
by Umbagar » Sat Oct 09, 2010 10:16 am
Political Pilgrims wrote:我们不是陌生人的爱。你知道规则,所以我也是一个完整的承诺是我想到的。你不会得到任何其他人的。
by Ashmoria » Sat Oct 09, 2010 10:22 am
Galloism wrote:Ashmoria wrote:of course its constitutional.
all it required was the proper framing of the "mandate".
i think we need to fight to add in a public option. then the mandate isnt just a giveaway to the insurance companies.
You know, I've been a big fan of the public option from the beginning. As long as the public option consisted of a zero deficit government operated program.
I still don't like the mandate, but lots of things I don't like are constitutional.
by Ashmoria » Sat Oct 09, 2010 10:23 am
Umbagar wrote:what a wonderful bill. You can tell that it's wonderful when 30 companies get waivers to not give 1 million employees the mandated coverage. It all works out, right? http://www.usatoday.com/money/industrie ... 7_ST_N.htm
by Dyakovo » Sat Oct 09, 2010 10:25 am
Ashmoria wrote:Umbagar wrote:what a wonderful bill. You can tell that it's wonderful when 30 companies get waivers to not give 1 million employees the mandated coverage. It all works out, right? http://www.usatoday.com/money/industrie ... 7_ST_N.htm
if the republicans werent dicks we could fix whatever turns out to be wrong with the bill.
by Ashmoria » Sat Oct 09, 2010 10:29 am
by Mossat » Sat Oct 09, 2010 10:34 am
Ashmoria wrote:Umbagar wrote:what a wonderful bill. You can tell that it's wonderful when 30 companies get waivers to not give 1 million employees the mandated coverage. It all works out, right? http://www.usatoday.com/money/industrie ... 7_ST_N.htm
if the republicans werent dicks we could fix whatever turns out to be wrong with the bill.
by Mossat » Sat Oct 09, 2010 10:37 am
Ashmoria wrote:Mossat wrote: I say that the Obama Administration is infringing on the rights of the people one too many times. The people of the United States of America did NOT want this Obamacare bill imposed on them, no matter what ACORN or CNN or C-SPAN or whatever the Communoliberal spin doctors say!
which would make more sense if people didnt WANT insurance and if they could be denied treatment.
only a fool goes without insurance and we are not the kind of people who would allow a person to die on the street because he wasnt covered.
so everyone needs insurance and it needs to be affordable.
unless you find the RIGHT to die untreated to be extremely important....
by Ashmoria » Sat Oct 09, 2010 10:38 am
Mossat wrote:Ashmoria wrote:if the republicans werent dicks we could fix whatever turns out to be wrong with the bill.
For the millionth fricking time, the Democrats have the majority in the Congress, and have had the majority ever since Bush! They don't need the Republicans to get things done! They can't do anything because they can't get their act together.
Anyone who thinks that the bill is constitutional needs to get their head checked. Anyone who honestly believes that the Republicans are to blame for the lack of action in congress needs an operation, because their heads are so far up their asses that they cannot freely remove them on their own...
by Ashmoria » Sat Oct 09, 2010 10:40 am
Mossat wrote:Ashmoria wrote:which would make more sense if people didnt WANT insurance and if they could be denied treatment.
only a fool goes without insurance and we are not the kind of people who would allow a person to die on the street because he wasnt covered.
so everyone needs insurance and it needs to be affordable.
unless you find the RIGHT to die untreated to be extremely important....
Right. How are people going to get "affordable" health insurance? Are you going to make them give it to them cheap?
by Mossat » Sat Oct 09, 2010 10:47 am
by Dyakovo » Sat Oct 09, 2010 10:48 am
Ashmoria wrote:Dyakovo wrote:From their POV that's what the Republicans are trying to do...
no
they are trying to deal a blow to the dems and the president.
if all they wanted to do was to FIX the bill they wouldnt be saying they want to REPEAL IT then replace it with essentially the same thing.
actually they are trying hard to not do anything at all. they are so fucking sure that they are going to win next month that they arent doing jackshit for the country.
by Ashmoria » Sat Oct 09, 2010 10:49 am
Mossat wrote:Well, if congress were to tell us what was in the Health Care Bill and not hide it from us, despite their stressing "transparency," maybe the public would do something about it.
Instead we get Nancy Pelosi...
"Let's vote on the bill, then let's read it"
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