How can you support pedophilia?

[Skaladora]

As somewhat of an ephebophile myself (I quite enjoy viewing them older teenagers), I have to say that, despite all the emotionnaly-charged drivel being spouted by the more radical members on both sides of the aisles (NAMBLA vs. BURN THEM AT THE STAKE! points of views), I don't really mind that much about someone being a pedophile as long as they do not abuse children, or condone child abuse in an indirect way (by consuming abusive child porn, for example).

If they're not touching them little kids, and are just enjoying their internet shota/lolicon or looking at the pictures some of dem silly teens who are stupid enough to post pictures of themselves on the intrawebz, then I have little to no problems with it. (yeah, some pretty young kids are camwhoring these days, and no matter what you say, the same amount of societal harm does not happen when it's actually the child itself that takes his/her own pictures than, say, when they're being abused by a child porn producer).

[Sunsader]

Including those who have never done anything wrong?

Do you even know what a Pedophile is? of course to be one you have to commit the crime... people who think like that is just sick as hell

I support you, they should be tortured and killed whether they have abused a child or not.
Thoughtcrime is crime!

[Person012345]

Do you even know what a Pedophile is? of course to be one you have to commit the crime... people who think like that is just sick as hell

I support you, they should be tortured and killed whether they have abused a child or not.
Thoughtcrime is crime!

And obvious troll is obvious.

[GeneralHaNor]

I erroneously thought about the old meaning of the word pedophile, one that was synonymous with child molesters.

So what do you think about pedos? Just plain old pedos, not child molestors. Should we face what we do, or should people accept what we are and allow us to live out of the toybox?

What you are...yes, within reason of course
What you do?...no, Can't be allowed...harm and all that.

[GeneralHaNor]

I have no doubt that it's a difficult position to defend publicly.

Pedophilia is as much about power as about sex, and anyone exerting undue power over someone else (especially a largely-helpless child) is in the wrong. In this case, the very wrong.

How did you come to the conclusion that pedophilia is about power? If you think it's simply because the party of attraction happens to be children, you're wrong.

I wonder if you read my early post, where I explained, that no Child Adult relationship could ever be equal, that sex with a child is ultimately about who is dominant and who is submissive. I find it hard to believe that any potential pedophile relationship can be about anything other then power.

Show me an example of such a relationship, and I'll show you a rare exception to the rule.

[Concordeia]

How did you come to the conclusion that pedophilia is about power? If you think it's simply because the party of attraction happens to be children, you're wrong.

I wonder if you read my early post, where I explained, that no Child Adult relationship could ever be equal, that sex with a child is ultimately about who is dominant and who is submissive. I find it hard to believe that any potential pedophile relationship can be about anything other then power.

Show me an example of such a relationship, and I'll show you a rare exception to the rule.

I did read your post and I respectfully disagree with it. Not all adult-child sexual activity is based on dominance/submissiveness. Adults already an inherent power advantage over children in all interactions, so this should not be the defining factor of such a relationship. I cannot prove that this is a fact, unfortunately, however considering that the objective in most sexual interactions between adults is mutual enjoyment, I don't see a reason why this same objective would not a apply in an adult-child relationship in spite of the power imbalance.

[Innsmothe]

How did you come to the conclusion that pedophilia is about power? If you think it's simply because the party of attraction happens to be children, you're wrong.

I wonder if you read my early post, where I explained, that no Child Adult relationship could ever be equal, that sex with a child is ultimately about who is dominant and who is submissive. I find it hard to believe that any potential pedophile relationship can be about anything other then power.

Show me an example of such a relationship, and I'll show you a rare exception to the rule.

*Innsmothe points out that he sexually assaulted his babysitter as a child.*

[Bottle]

How did you come to the conclusion that pedophilia is about power? If you think it's simply because the party of attraction happens to be children, you're wrong.

I wonder if you read my early post, where I explained, that no Child Adult relationship could ever be equal, that sex with a child is ultimately about who is dominant and who is submissive. I find it hard to believe that any potential pedophile relationship can be about anything other then power.

Show me an example of such a relationship, and I'll show you a rare exception to the rule.

Huh. You know, I think that's why pedophilia bother me as much as it does. I'm creeped out by people who desire unequal relationship like that. Neurologically speaking, a child under the age of 14 or so (average, of course) is not capable of adult judgment and reasoning; their brains simply cannot perform those functions. So anybody who thinks they can have an "adult" relationship with a child is either 1) delusional, 2) lying, or 3) really messed up about what "adult" means. None of those options is a person who should be having any relationships in the first place, let alone having one that will have an inherent power imbalance.

[GeneralHaNor]

I wonder if you read my early post, where I explained, that no Child Adult relationship could ever be equal, that sex with a child is ultimately about who is dominant and who is submissive. I find it hard to believe that any potential pedophile relationship can be about anything other then power.

Show me an example of such a relationship, and I'll show you a rare exception to the rule.

*Innsmothe points out that he sexually assaulted his babysitter as a child.*

We all sexually abuses a babysitter at one point. but that's because women are weaker then men, even boys.

*GHN points out that he took advantage of a druken babysitter*

[Bottle]

*Innsmothe points out that he sexually assaulted his babysitter as a child.*

We all sexually abuses a babysitter at one point. but that's because women are weaker then men, even boys.

*GHN points out that he took advantage of a druken babysitter*

I hope you are kidding.

[Innsmothe]

*Innsmothe points out that he sexually assaulted his babysitter as a child.*

We all sexually abuses a babysitter at one point. but that's because women are weaker then men, even boys.

*GHN points out that he took advantage of a druken babysitter*

It was a 30 something guy. :/
He had fallen asleep on the sofa, and woke during climax, >.>

[GeneralHaNor]

I wonder if you read my early post, where I explained, that no Child Adult relationship could ever be equal, that sex with a child is ultimately about who is dominant and who is submissive. I find it hard to believe that any potential pedophile relationship can be about anything other then power.

Show me an example of such a relationship, and I'll show you a rare exception to the rule.

I did read your post and I respectfully disagree with it. Not all adult-child sexual activity is based on dominance/submissiveness. Adults already an inherent power advantage over children in all interactions, so this should not be the defining factor of such a relationship. I cannot prove that this is a fact, unfortunately, however considering that the objective in most sexual interactions between adults is mutual enjoyment, I don't see a reason why this same objective would not a apply in an adult-child relationship in spite of the power imbalance.

I refer you to bottles post about why this doesn't really hold any weight.

"most sexual interactions between adults is about mutual enjoyment" that is true, be we are taking about children here. Children aren't capable of mutual enjoyment, or even mutual consent, they simply aren't wired for it yet. The same objective one gets from an adult on adult relationship cannot be acquired in a Adult-Child relationship, so you can't apply the same reasoning

Again

So anybody who thinks they can have an "adult" relationship with a child is either 1) delusional, 2) lying, or 3) really messed up about what "adult" means. None of those options is a person who should be having any relationships in the first place, let alone having one that will have an inherent power imbalance.

[Concordeia]

I wonder if you read my early post, where I explained, that no Child Adult relationship could ever be equal, that sex with a child is ultimately about who is dominant and who is submissive. I find it hard to believe that any potential pedophile relationship can be about anything other then power.

Show me an example of such a relationship, and I'll show you a rare exception to the rule.

Huh. You know, I think that's why pedophilia bother me as much as it does. I'm creeped out by people who desire unequal relationship like that. Neurologically speaking, a child under the age of 14 or so (average, of course) is not capable of adult judgment and reasoning; their brains simply cannot perform those functions. So anybody who thinks they can have an "adult" relationship with a child is either 1) delusional, 2) lying, or 3) really messed up about what "adult" means. None of those options is a person who should be having any relationships in the first place, let alone having one that will have an inherent power imbalance.

Did you guys even read my post? Why does sexual activity (outside of penetrative intercourse for obvious reasons) even need to be exclusively in the domain of adults? Again, there is already a power imbalance between a adults and children in all social interactions, but if the majority of sexual activity between peers is about mutual enjoyment then there little reason to assume that this would not also apply to adult-child relationships.

[GeneralHaNor]

We all sexually abuses a babysitter at one point. but that's because women are weaker then men, even boys.

*GHN points out that he took advantage of a druken babysitter*

I hope you are kidding.

Post dripping with sarcasm -check
Bottles reaction - Priceless

(although my babysitter is how I lost my virginity at 12)

[GeneralHaNor]

We all sexually abuses a babysitter at one point. but that's because women are weaker then men, even boys.

*GHN points out that he took advantage of a druken babysitter*

It was a 30 something guy. :/
He had fallen asleep on the sofa, and woke during climax, >.>

first, how old were you?
Second, that relationship is obviously okay, because you obviously wanted it, to the point were you were willing to sexually assault a grown man in his sleep.

[Innsmothe]

It was a 30 something guy. :/
He had fallen asleep on the sofa, and woke during climax, >.>

first, how old were you?
Second, that relationship is obviously okay, because you obviously wanted it, to the point were you were willing to sexually assault a grown man in his sleep.

Ironicaly, I was 12.

[Concordeia]

I did read your post and I respectfully disagree with it. Not all adult-child sexual activity is based on dominance/submissiveness. Adults already an inherent power advantage over children in all interactions, so this should not be the defining factor of such a relationship. I cannot prove that this is a fact, unfortunately, however considering that the objective in most sexual interactions between adults is mutual enjoyment, I don't see a reason why this same objective would not a apply in an adult-child relationship in spite of the power imbalance.

I refer you to bottles post about why this doesn't really hold any weight.

"most sexual interactions between adults is about mutual enjoyment" that is true, be we are taking about children here. Children aren't capable of mutual enjoyment, or even mutual consent, they simply aren't wired for it yet. The same objective one gets from an adult on adult relationship cannot be acquired in a Adult-Child relationship, so you can't apply the same reasoning

Again

So anybody who thinks they can have an "adult" relationship with a child is either 1) delusional, 2) lying, or 3) really messed up about what "adult" means. None of those options is a person who should be having any relationships in the first place, let alone having one that will have an inherent power imbalance.

Children can feel sexual pleasure, even if it is somewhat reduced due to physical development. And, technically speaking, children are not capable of consenting to anything because, ultimately, adults are the ones who typically make decisions for them. If the abusiveness of an act is determined solely by the whether a child can or cannot consent, than ALL adult-child interaction is abusive as a matter of course.

I am not saying that adults should engage in such a relationship unilaterally, not by a longshot. Sexual activity is a very personal thing, so the child must give a measure of agreement in order for such activity to be non-abusive.

[GeneralHaNor]

but if the majority of sexual activity between peers is about mutual enjoyment then there little reason to assume that this would not also apply to adult-child relationships.

Children are totally incapable of mutual enjoyment, in fact it is believed they are incapable of even fractional enjoyment. there is ever reason to assume that this would not also apply to adult-child relationships. because the dynamics of sex are completely different here, not just the relationship itself.

[GeneralHaNor]

first, how old were you?
Second, that relationship is obviously okay, because you obviously wanted it, to the point were you were willing to sexually assault a grown man in his sleep.

Ironicaly, I was 12.

I'm gonna go out on a limb, and suggest that you might have been sexually abused
Or some other equally fucked up thing happened to you at a young age.

Correct me if I'm wrong.
For a 12 year old..girl? (assumption) to unilaterally decide to do such a thing, is well rare as it were.

[Innsmothe]

but if the majority of sexual activity between peers is about mutual enjoyment then there little reason to assume that this would not also apply to adult-child relationships.

Children are totally incapable of mutual enjoyment, in fact it is believed they are incapable of even fractional enjoyment. there is ever reason to assume that this would not also apply to adult-child relationships. because the dynamics of sex are completely different here, not just the relationship itself.

Uh, I sexually assaulted an addult and got off.

If the act happened to be mutual, why wouldn't I similarly enjoy myself?

[Concordeia]

but if the majority of sexual activity between peers is about mutual enjoyment then there little reason to assume that this would not also apply to adult-child relationships.

Children are totally incapable of mutual enjoyment, in fact it is believed they are incapable of even fractional enjoyment. there is ever reason to assume that this would not also apply to adult-child relationships. because the dynamics of sex are completely different here, not just the relationship itself.

Then all activity involving adults and children, even regular recreational activities, is abusive.

Explain how it is completely different. Last time I checked, sexual pleasure is nothing more than a type of stimulation of the brain and nervous system, and a particularly pleasurable one at that. Big whoop. Last time I checked, getting aroused doesn't cause brain damage. (Keep in mind that I am strictly speaking about non-penetrative, non-coital sexual intimacy).

[GeneralHaNor]

Children can feel sexual pleasure, even if it is somewhat reduced due to physical development. And, technically speaking, children are not capable of consenting to anything because, ultimately, adults are the ones who typically make decisions for them. If the abusiveness of an act is determined solely by the whether a child can or cannot consent, than ALL adult-child interaction is abusive as a matter of course.

I am not saying that adults should engage in such a relationship unilaterally, not by a longshot. Sexual activity is a very personal thing, so the child must give a measure of agreement in order for such activity to be non-abusive.

First, "pleasure" for the child is not at all what you seem to think it is. at most it's sensation, most often pain and confusion. And technically speaking you are making an argument for consent based on parents having consenting rights and children having none, this is legal argument I already declined to make, and it doesn't help us here. No, Factually Speaking, Children are not capable of consenting to anything because they lack the mental capacity to make an informed decision.

This also renders your last point moot. as it implies that a child in fact can "give a measure of agreement" That measure of agreement will not be equal to an adults, it is ill formed, and frankly fraudulently based in the adults power over the child.

[GeneralHaNor]

Children are totally incapable of mutual enjoyment, in fact it is believed they are incapable of even fractional enjoyment. there is ever reason to assume that this would not also apply to adult-child relationships. because the dynamics of sex are completely different here, not just the relationship itself.

Uh, I sexually assaulted an addult and got off.

If the act happened to be mutual, why wouldn't I similarly enjoy myself?

Because you were 12, and physically capable of getting off
Because you were capable of making the decision on your own, without coercion.

Your case is unique, or at least rare.
Besides were are taking about pre-pubescents, not Post-Pubescents

Edit. I also comes to my attention, that you might have committed a sex crime.
Did he consent to this interaction?

[GeneralHaNor]

Explain how it is completely different. Last time I checked, sexual pleasure is nothing more than a type of stimulation of the brain and nervous system, and a particularly pleasurable one at that. Big whoop. Last time I checked, getting aroused doesn't cause brain damage. (Keep in mind that I am strictly speaking about non-penetrative, non-coital sexual intimacy).

All biological science says you are wrong
Pre-Pubescent children aren't wired to experience sexual stimulation in the way that adults are. in fact the wiring is more akin to a warning system, the instinct to "run" is often triggered.

Also, I must laugh at the notion that you believe children are capable of actual sexual arousal.

[Innsmothe]

Explain how it is completely different. Last time I checked, sexual pleasure is nothing more than a type of stimulation of the brain and nervous system, and a particularly pleasurable one at that. Big whoop. Last time I checked, getting aroused doesn't cause brain damage. (Keep in mind that I am strictly speaking about non-penetrative, non-coital sexual intimacy).

All biological science says you are wrong
Pre-Pubescent children aren't wired to experience sexual stimulation in the way that adults are. in fact the wiring is more akin to a warning system, the instinct to "run" is often triggered.

Also, I must laugh at the notion that you believe children are capable of actual sexual arousal.

Most kids can wank around 9-10-11.