How can you support pedophilia?

[Jimanistan]

How did you come to the conclusion that pedophilia is about power? If you think it's simply because the party of attraction happens to be children, you're wrong.

I assumed that child rape worked in a manner similar to regular rape, which generally involves an interest in gaining sexual power over the other party. Of course, I'm referring to actual child sexual abuse, rather than pedophilia in general.

[Person012345]

I don't think I want a "cure". I wouldn't kno until one is offered though.

And you still haven't given any reason why you would advocate our persecution.

You want me to be blunt about it? Fine! Perhaps I just don't like you, you can't expect me to understand what goes in your mind the same way I'll never fully understand what a gay man or woman thinks or feels. So by definition I'll never feel comfortable around you or trust you, if only from fear of 'what might be' for lack of a better reason.

I actually understand that, but does that, in your opinion, justify persecution of real people? Just because you don't "understand" them? Or feel comfortable? I'm not asking that everyone listen to my fantasies, I just ask that my life not be endangered just because of how I feel. That if it were to come out that I wouldn't be harrassed and abused. Is your own dislike of my thoughts, which no-one would force you to hear, really justification for the sort of hell that people go through for it?

Let me share parts of a conversation I had with someone on youtube (through private message) about this (note the guy he's talking about killed himself at 32 due in large part to the abuse he suffered):

He was open about himself and his problems. He had some mental illnesses that messed with his mind constantly, so he usually ended up blurting his problems to the people he reached a comfort level with.

People don't react very kindly when they are around pedophiles...dirty looks, violent mean mugging stares, property destroyed, insults, threats...a vicious road.

Releases? Like pornography? No, he was a very uptight person about what he considered wrong, as in if he believed it to be wrong/bad/indecent ect... he kept his distance.

No, he never knew anybody like himself... we knew a lot of people who had bad things happen...a few murder convicts (paroled), thief's, robbers...such and such.. some people who kind of had rocky trip down the road of life. Most of the people we socialized and hung around with are actually doing very good for themselves these days, few of em have wives and kids, decent jobs and roof over they're heads.


He stayed away from children most of his life, he didn't really trust himself all that much, if he were tempted. So he just kind of cut out temptation.


He use to look at a lot of porn when he was younger, I believe he told me a story where when he was about 13 or so he stumbled upon child pornography,,,being a child himself still, back then it wouldn't seem so bad to himself..my only theory is growing up and finding any liking to it after so many years he just never developed sexual boundaries. Most likely its wrong but I gave my opinions. So to sum it up he just isolated himself away from children but above that he was a VERY social person, great personality and although not the best person in the world, I can assure you that most of these "anti-pedo" panzy groups and violent a**holes would have loved him if they would have attempted to look past his pedophilia problem.

I ain't gonna lie to you buddy, its gets REALLY hard..I can only say words..but I saw it, I saw his whole life fall apart and over 70% of all of it was due to pedophilia.

My personal advice to you man is, stay off the radar. Nothing good can come from telling people...since there is no "cure" for pedophilia, all exposing yourself can do is bring down heat on you, unnecessary attention you don't want or need.

I was under the impression he would talk to me if he ever had problems bugging him but I guess I didn't make that clear enough, just something I got to live with but I'm sure he had at least one person to vent it all out to.

[...]

We were real close, after the first few years we practically became brothers...I didn't see him as a pedophile, never really did even after I first was told...just a man with issue's like everyone else has atleast one f*ed up problem...yet they still want to point fingers. < now I'm rambling [...] But we was close enough for him to mail me a suicide note..and close enough that he'd be most comfortable with me finding his body.

I mostly figured since we was somewhat counseling inmate's he'd either know what to do or talk to me about it...but its one more life lesson, make sure you pay attention to your close friends.

[Concordeia]

Dude, you really don't have your priorities straight. Besides the fact that I'm against the death penalty, I am far more concerned about murderers than child abusers. Their both bad, to be sure, but if you're murdered, that's it. You're life is over. If you are abused, it is possible to still move on and live life.

And I'm pro-capital punishment, it's a point of view and for some (including myself) an adequate form of punishment.

One's life is one of the most precious possessions one has. The ONLY action which would ever justify taking away a person's life is if they are threatening or have already taken the life of someone else.

[Person012345]

Plus, saying we should be killed for child protection completely ignores the fact that many people who are paedos probably donate to charity, including children's protection charities, and thus actually do good.

I SAID CONVICTED CHILD MOLESTERS should be killed! Geez can't you tell the difference????

I'm pretty sure you said paedophiles, it made hobo mad and concordeia was displeased, IIRC.

[Person012345]

Thinking about having sex with pre-pubescent children is harmful to other people? How?

I erroneously thought about the old meaning of the word pedophile, one that was synonymous with child molesters.

So what do you think about pedos? Just plain old pedos, not child molestors. Should we face what we do, or should people accept what we are and allow us to live out of the toybox?

[Person012345]

Pedophile has NEVER meant child molester! Get your words straight!!

It did, search your sources better. I'm not pulling terms out of thin air.

Yes you are. It has never meant that. The media likes to use it like that, but it doesn't, and has never, meant that.

[Concordeia]

How did you come to the conclusion that pedophilia is about power? If you think it's simply because the party of attraction happens to be children, you're wrong.

I assumed that child rape worked in a manner similar to regular rape, which generally involves an interest in gaining sexual power over the other party. Of course, I'm referring to actual child sexual abuse, rather than pedophilia in general.

I'm talking about adult-child sexual activity in general. It simply means the adult has a sexual interest in children. Whether sexual activity between an adult and a child is abusive or not is dependent on several different factors, including the specific type of sexual activity, the social relationship between the adult and the child, the child's consent, and how the adult treats the child during the commission of said activity, among other things.

[Ferrond]

You want me to be blunt about it? Fine! Perhaps I just don't like you, you can't expect me to understand what goes in your mind the same way I'll never fully understand what a gay man or woman thinks or feels. So by definition I'll never feel comfortable around you or trust you, if only from fear of 'what might be' for lack of a better reason.

I actually understand that, but does that, in your opinion, justify persecution of real people? Just because you don't "understand" them? Or feel comfortable? I'm not asking that everyone listen to my fantasies, I just ask that my life not be endangered just because of how I feel. That if it were to come out that I wouldn't be harrassed and abused. Is your own dislike of my thoughts, which no-one would force you to hear, really justification for the sort of hell that people go through for it?

Let me share parts of a conversation I had with someone on youtube (through private message) about this (note the guy he's talking about killed himself at 32 due in large part to the abuse he suffered):

He was open about himself and his problems. He had some mental illnesses that messed with his mind constantly, so he usually ended up blurting his problems to the people he reached a comfort level with.

People don't react very kindly when they are around pedophiles...dirty looks, violent mean mugging stares, property destroyed, insults, threats...a vicious road.

Releases? Like pornography? No, he was a very uptight person about what he considered wrong, as in if he believed it to be wrong/bad/indecent ect... he kept his distance.

No, he never knew anybody like himself... we knew a lot of people who had bad things happen...a few murder convicts (paroled), thief's, robbers...such and such.. some people who kind of had rocky trip down the road of life. Most of the people we socialized and hung around with are actually doing very good for themselves these days, few of em have wives and kids, decent jobs and roof over they're heads.


He stayed away from children most of his life, he didn't really trust himself all that much, if he were tempted. So he just kind of cut out temptation.


He use to look at a lot of porn when he was younger, I believe he told me a story where when he was about 13 or so he stumbled upon child pornography,,,being a child himself still, back then it wouldn't seem so bad to himself..my only theory is growing up and finding any liking to it after so many years he just never developed sexual boundaries. Most likely its wrong but I gave my opinions. So to sum it up he just isolated himself away from children but above that he was a VERY social person, great personality and although not the best person in the world, I can assure you that most of these "anti-pedo" panzy groups and violent a**holes would have loved him if they would have attempted to look past his pedophilia problem.

I ain't gonna lie to you buddy, its gets REALLY hard..I can only say words..but I saw it, I saw his whole life fall apart and over 70% of all of it was due to pedophilia.

My personal advice to you man is, stay off the radar. Nothing good can come from telling people...since there is no "cure" for pedophilia, all exposing yourself can do is bring down heat on you, unnecessary attention you don't want or need.

I was under the impression he would talk to me if he ever had problems bugging him but I guess I didn't make that clear enough, just something I got to live with but I'm sure he had at least one person to vent it all out to.

[...]

We were real close, after the first few years we practically became brothers...I didn't see him as a pedophile, never really did even after I first was told...just a man with issue's like everyone else has atleast one f*ed up problem...yet they still want to point fingers. < now I'm rambling [...] But we was close enough for him to mail me a suicide note..and close enough that he'd be most comfortable with me finding his body.

I mostly figured since we was somewhat counseling inmate's he'd either know what to do or talk to me about it...but its one more life lesson, make sure you pay attention to your close friends.

A sad story, to be honest, many people have problems they never manage to overcome. As I said life is tough and most of the time unjust and it's not going to change.

[Ferrond]

And I'm pro-capital punishment, it's a point of view and for some (including myself) an adequate form of punishment.

One's life is one of the most precious possessions one has. The ONLY action which would ever justify taking away a person's life is if they are threatening or have already taken the life of someone else.

See? Your point of view is valid, another's would be against all forms of capital punishment.

[Ferrond]

I SAID CONVICTED CHILD MOLESTERS should be killed! Geez can't you tell the difference????

I'm pretty sure you said paedophiles, it made hobo mad and concordeia was displeased, IIRC.

Read again what I said about my error on the term-using.

[Person012345]

I'm pretty sure you said paedophiles, it made hobo mad and concordeia was displeased, IIRC.

Read again what I said about my error on the term-using.

Yeah, I got that now.

[Ferrond]

I erroneously thought about the old meaning of the word pedophile, one that was synonymous with child molesters.

So what do you think about pedos? Just plain old pedos, not child molestors. Should we face what we do, or should people accept what we are and allow us to live out of the toybox?

I'm not putting you in the same keg with child molesters, not by a long chance. But acceptance.....hmmm.....I honestly don't know, perhaps you begin to push your luck with that.

[Ferrond]

It did, search your sources better. I'm not pulling terms out of thin air.

Yes you are. It has never meant that. The media likes to use it like that, but it doesn't, and has never, meant that.

Man I'm Greek, and I'm telling you the term meant all categories together (normal pedo/child molester,etc), it still does in Greece and a separate word or term for molestation does not exist.

[Person012345]

So what do you think about pedos? Just plain old pedos, not child molestors. Should we face what we do, or should people accept what we are and allow us to live out of the toybox?

I'm not putting you in the same keg with child molesters, not by a long chance. But acceptance.....hmmm.....I honestly don't know, perhaps you begin to push your luck with that.

I understand it's unlikely to happen any time soon. But I'm really asking what you think should be. I'm not saying everybody has to immediately love us and want to hear us talk about it all the time, but do you think we should face the sort of abuse that we do if we were to come out? Do you think we should be forced to live a lie? On a moral level, is that fine? Or do you think it would be better if we were allowed to come out without facing huge discrimination and harrassment?

[Person012345]

Yes you are. It has never meant that. The media likes to use it like that, but it doesn't, and has never, meant that.

Man I'm Greek, and I'm telling you the term meant all categories together (normal pedo/child molester,etc), it still does in Greece and a separate word or term for molestation does not exist.

If you're greek you'll probably know that "Paedophile" means "I love children" in ancient greek. You'll know that the "phile" is the "love" bit and as with every other philia on the planet, does not denote any sort of action, only attraction in a sexual way.

It is commonly used in the way you used it, and many people only understand it as such, but it is incorrect. That's simply a widespread misuse of the term.

[Dyakovo]

Thinking about having sex with pre-pubescent children is harmful to other people? How?

I erroneously thought about the old meaning of the word pedophile, one that was synonymous with child molesters.

S'alright. I got it now.

[Ferrond]

I'm not putting you in the same keg with child molesters, not by a long chance. But acceptance.....hmmm.....I honestly don't know, perhaps you begin to push your luck with that.

I understand it's unlikely to happen any time soon. But I'm really asking what you think should be. I'm not saying everybody has to immediately love us and want to hear us talk about it all the time, but do you think we should face the sort of abuse that we do if we were to come out? Do you think we should be forced to live a lie? On a moral level, is that fine? Or do you think it would be better if we were allowed to come out without facing huge discrimination and harrassment?

In my experience it's better to live a lie than risk the huge retaliation society can bring on you, same way gays were living 'underground' in past times. On a moral ground the issue is debatable but I should not be one talking since I cannot help but feel pedophilia is an aberration. Perhaps times are not good for you but consider the fact that in the past it was much worse.

[Person012345]

I understand it's unlikely to happen any time soon. But I'm really asking what you think should be. I'm not saying everybody has to immediately love us and want to hear us talk about it all the time, but do you think we should face the sort of abuse that we do if we were to come out? Do you think we should be forced to live a lie? On a moral level, is that fine? Or do you think it would be better if we were allowed to come out without facing huge discrimination and harrassment?

In my experience it's better to live a lie than risk the huge retaliation society can bring on you, same way gays were living 'underground' in past times. On a moral ground the issue is debatable but I should not be one talking since I cannot help but feel pedophilia is an aberration. Perhaps times are not good for you but consider the fact that in the past it was much worse.

The past has been "better" for us. The age of consent in England was only raised from 10 in 1875.

[Ferrond]

Man I'm Greek, and I'm telling you the term meant all categories together (normal pedo/child molester,etc), it still does in Greece and a separate word or term for molestation does not exist.

If you're greek you'll probably know that "Paedophile" means "I love children" in ancient greek. You'll know that the "phile" is the "love" bit and as with every other philia on the planet, does not denote any sort of action, only attraction in a sexual way.

It is commonly used in the way you used it, and many people only understand it as such, but it is incorrect. That's simply a widespread misuse of the term.

Phile stands for philos=friend so a pedophile could be considered a friend of children, however it had all the aforementioned meanings I told you about, hence the term pederast which was used for prowlers but not teachers,etc. It's the same way in ancient times zoophilia stood for beastiality also not only love for animals.

[Person012345]

If you're greek you'll probably know that "Paedophile" means "I love children" in ancient greek. You'll know that the "phile" is the "love" bit and as with every other philia on the planet, does not denote any sort of action, only attraction in a sexual way.

It is commonly used in the way you used it, and many people only understand it as such, but it is incorrect. That's simply a widespread misuse of the term.

Phile stands for philos=friend so a pedophile could be considered a friend of children, however it had all the aforementioned meanings I told you about, hence the term pederast which was used for prowlers but not teachers,etc. It's the same way in ancient times zoophilia stood for beastiality also not only love for animals.

Phile come from φιλέω

Verb

present φιλέω, future: φιλήσω, aorist: ἐφίλησα, perfect: πεφίληκα, perfect m/p: πεφίλημαι, aorist passive: ἐφιλήσθην

1. I love, like, regard highly
2. I treat kindly, welcome
3. (post-Homeric) I show signs of affection, kiss
4. (post-Homeric) I enjoy

[Ferrond]

In my experience it's better to live a lie than risk the huge retaliation society can bring on you, same way gays were living 'underground' in past times. On a moral ground the issue is debatable but I should not be one talking since I cannot help but feel pedophilia is an aberration. Perhaps times are not good for you but consider the fact that in the past it was much worse.

The past has been "better" for us. The age of consent in England was only raised from 10 in 1875.

Right and in muslim countries it's still pretty low, well it was hell for gays back then though. You get my meaning, times change and one can choose to fight,submit or endure.

[Ferrond]

Phile stands for philos=friend so a pedophile could be considered a friend of children, however it had all the aforementioned meanings I told you about, hence the term pederast which was used for prowlers but not teachers,etc. It's the same way in ancient times zoophilia stood for beastiality also not only love for animals.

Phile come from φιλέω

Verb

present φιλέω, future: φιλήσω, aorist: ἐφίλησα, perfect: πεφίληκα, perfect m/p: πεφίλημαι, aorist passive: ἐφιλήσθην

1. I love, like, regard highly
2. I treat kindly, welcome
3. (post-Homeric) I show signs of affection, kiss
4. (post-Homeric) I enjoy

All those terms are correct, the 1 and 2 survive to this day, now trust me Socrates was also a 'pedophile teacher' and 'treated' his students specially, his favourite was Alcibiades

[Person012345]

The past has been "better" for us. The age of consent in England was only raised from 10 in 1875.

Right and in muslim countries it's still pretty low, well it was hell for gays back then though. You get my meaning, times change and one can choose to fight,submit or endure.

Meh, I'm content with being out on the internet for the moment. Would I prefer to be out irl? Probably. But like you say, things are how they are. I'm not going to change them alone. I'd still like them to. And when discussing online, I will still argue that it's how things should be. Imo it would be better for all involved if we could be out.

[Ferrond]

Right and in muslim countries it's still pretty low, well it was hell for gays back then though. You get my meaning, times change and one can choose to fight,submit or endure.

Meh, I'm content with being out on the internet for the moment. Would I prefer to be out irl? Probably. But like you say, things are how they are. I'm not going to change them alone. I'd still like them to. And when discussing online, I will still argue that it's how things should be. Imo it would be better for all involved if we could be out.

Perhaps, we won't know until the time comes, if it comes. I strongly suggest you stay out of the open, take my opinion for what it's worth.

[Ferrond]

Hello! This is life! I told you before YOU have to adapt, most of it is not fair,well that's the way it goes.

So why do you advocate it's continuence? Why do you advocate killing by law for people who come out? Advocating them means you think they are right. 2 things. 1. that is, thankfully, not the way things are. 2. Why do you think that is right? Or do you admit that you would not want to persecute people who come out? If you do want to, what makes it right? "That's the way it is" is not a moral argument as to why it should be that way.

And yes I care about myself more than the others, you know about something called self-preservation? Most of the people exercise it most of the time, to do otherwise you must be delusional!

It's got nothing to do with self preservation. As it happens, I care about everyone who has not done any major wrong equally. We are all people. If I was selfish I would have abused. If I take this post at face value, it just seems to me that you're not a very nice person who needs to view us as somehow "wrong" simply for what we are because maybe that makes you feel superior?

And it's not delusional, it's empathetic.

I overlooked that post, by now you must know what I believe.