How can you support pedophilia?

[Ferrond]

Nope, I just became a realist. Thinking you can fix the world is an illusion, the world is fucked-up and always will be.

The world ? Perhaps.
But you can help individuals. Quite a lot of them in fact.

I'm all for helping individuals, I'm 100% with you on that.

[Ferrond]

Not to belittle those great men, but they made up what? The 0.0001% of the planet's population? And apart from Tutu they had pretty inglorious endings.

It's true that they represent a very tiny fraction of the world's population, but their efforts helped inspire many other people into action. You can't change the world if most everyone does nothing. It's when you get everyone else to act that change really happens.

Well, one can always hope.

[Concordeia]

Odd thing about my views on that Dutch party, I respect them because it takes balls of steel to be able to publicly advocate the legalization of adult-child sex, but I'm not entirely sure I support them. Whenever I think about the possible social implications of legalizing that sort of thing in real life, I become hesitant, even though I have clearly stated myself that I believe non-abusive adult child sexual intimacy is possible.

Considering that up to the year 2000 or so the Dutch age of consent for adults and kids was 12* as long as no complaints were filed and society did not do too shabby, changing it back to what it was would probably not make much difference.

What the pedoparty did do was clearly showing the hypocrisy of the other parties. Parties that up till 10 years ago were against increasing the age of consent "because adults had no right to deny children their sexuality" (probably a remnant of the hippy era) suddenly acted all shocked and horrified by the proposal to have it lowered back again. Quite likely due to the Dutrout schandal in Belgium.

They also showed that most anti-pedophile feelings have no actual root in facts. They showed that scientific research on the whole does NOT show that having sexual relations with children as such is by definition harmful to the child - but that did not stop lawmakers from pretending it did show just that.
Of course, they themselves then went too far by implying "since it is not by definition bad, it must be beneficial" - which is also a false conclusion.

But what it showed most clearly is that it is almost impossible to have a factual discussion about pedophilia.

* Nowadays it is 12 for peers and 16 for non-peers.

Yeah, I kind of cringe myself whenever I hear some of these adult-child sex advocates claim that it's always beneficial when it really isn't. Still, I think that most everyone else claiming that it's always abusive and evil is wrong as well, so I take a third option and say that such relationships are possible but should be examined to determine if there is abuse or negligence involved.

[Ferrond]

Nope, I'm fine with it. Do you think about seeing one for your 'preferences'? I don't think so.

As I've already told you, a psychiatrist couldn't do anything. I have seen a psychiatrist before, not about that, and I've had psychologists too.

Tough luck then man. I wish there was a kind of cure or something. Since there isn't you'll have to endure.

[Person012345]

Hello! This is life! I told you before YOU have to adapt, most of it is not fair,well that's the way it goes.

So why do you advocate it's continuence? Why do you advocate killing by law for people who come out? Advocating them means you think they are right. 2 things. 1. that is, thankfully, not the way things are. 2. Why do you think that is right? Or do you admit that you would not want to persecute people who come out? If you do want to, what makes it right? "That's the way it is" is not a moral argument as to why it should be that way.

And yes I care about myself more than the others, you know about something called self-preservation? Most of the people exercise it most of the time, to do otherwise you must be delusional!

It's got nothing to do with self preservation. As it happens, I care about everyone who has not done any major wrong equally. We are all people. If I was selfish I would have abused. If I take this post at face value, it just seems to me that you're not a very nice person who needs to view us as somehow "wrong" simply for what we are because maybe that makes you feel superior?

And it's not delusional, it's empathetic.

[Person012345]

As I've already told you, a psychiatrist couldn't do anything. I have seen a psychiatrist before, not about that, and I've had psychologists too.

Tough luck then man. I wish there was a kind of cure or something. Since there isn't you'll have to endure.

I don't think I want a "cure". I wouldn't kno until one is offered though.

And you still haven't given any reason why you would advocate our persecution.

[The Alma Mater]

The world ? Perhaps.
But you can help individuals. Quite a lot of them in fact.

I'm all for helping individuals, I'm 100% with you on that.

So - is it bad to NOT help individuals while you can ?
Say by NOT donating those 10 dollars to UNICEF (or an organisation of your choice that will help others) ?

[Concordeia]

Can we get back on the topic of discussing the actual moral/social/psychological aspects of adult-child sex please? I get that you guys want to argue with Ferrond, but I think you're wasting your time at this point. He clearly is not interested in changing his opinion.

[Ferrond]

I'm all for helping individuals, I'm 100% with you on that.

So - is it bad to NOT help individuals while you can ?
Say by NOT donating those 10 dollars to UNICEF (or an organisation of your choice that will help others) ?

Do not make the assumption I never tried to help the world at large, and yes I still donate for various causes except UNICEF of course, one of the biggest scams in history.

[Person012345]

Plus, saying we should be killed for child protection completely ignores the fact that many people who are paedos probably donate to charity, including children's protection charities, and thus actually do good.

Edit: or indeed, have directly helped kids in need.

[Ferrond]

Tough luck then man. I wish there was a kind of cure or something. Since there isn't you'll have to endure.

I don't think I want a "cure". I wouldn't kno until one is offered though.

And you still haven't given any reason why you would advocate our persecution.

You want me to be blunt about it? Fine! Perhaps I just don't like you, you can't expect me to understand what goes in your mind the same way I'll never fully understand what a gay man or woman thinks or feels. So by definition I'll never feel comfortable around you or trust you, if only from fear of 'what might be' for lack of a better reason.

[Dyakovo]

pedophilia is not illegal...

It should be.

Why should thoughts be outlawed? And how exactly would you enforce such a law?

[Ferrond]

Plus, saying we should be killed for child protection completely ignores the fact that many people who are paedos probably donate to charity, including children's protection charities, and thus actually do good.

I SAID CONVICTED CHILD MOLESTERS should be killed! Geez can't you tell the difference????

[Dyakovo]

Hold on... explain that, please. Paedophilia is "deviant" in the sense that it "deviates" from what would be the expected biological instinct, yes? Does this not also apply to homosexuality?

Biologically yes, however pedos are deviants on more than one account. Not to mention their vice is harmful to other people as well.

Thinking about having sex with pre-pubescent children is harmful to other people? How?

[Jimanistan]

I have no doubt that it's a difficult position to defend publicly.

Pedophilia is as much about power as about sex, and anyone exerting undue power over someone else (especially a largely-helpless child) is in the wrong. In this case, the very wrong.

[Ferrond]

It should be.

Why should thoughts be outlawed? And how exactly would you enforce such a law?

Sorry man, I don't have the energy to post the same stuff over and again. Replace pedophiles with convicted child-molesters in the previous argument and that's it. Thoughts cannot be made illegal, only actions.

[Concordeia]

Plus, saying we should be killed for child protection completely ignores the fact that many people who are paedos probably donate to charity, including children's protection charities, and thus actually do good.

I SAID CONVICTED CHILD MOLESTERS should be killed! Geez can't you tell the difference????

Dude, you really don't have your priorities straight. Besides the fact that I'm against the death penalty, I am far more concerned about murderers than child abusers. Their both bad, to be sure, but if you're murdered, that's it. You're life is over. If you are abused, it is possible to still move on and live life.

[Ferrond]

Can we get back on the topic of discussing the actual moral/social/psychological aspects of adult-child sex please? I get that you guys want to argue with Ferrond, but I think you're wasting your time at this point. He clearly is not interested in changing his opinion.

Right.

[Dyakovo]

Why should thoughts be outlawed? And how exactly would you enforce such a law?

Sorry man, I don't have the energy to post the same stuff over and again. Replace pedophiles with convicted child-molesters in the previous argument and that's it. Thoughts cannot be made illegal, only actions.

So you;re statement was based on not knowing what the word meant... Okay.

[Concordeia]

I have no doubt that it's a difficult position to defend publicly.

Pedophilia is as much about power as about sex, and anyone exerting undue power over someone else (especially a largely-helpless child) is in the wrong. In this case, the very wrong.

How did you come to the conclusion that pedophilia is about power? If you think it's simply because the party of attraction happens to be children, you're wrong.

[Ferrond]

Biologically yes, however pedos are deviants on more than one account. Not to mention their vice is harmful to other people as well.

Thinking about having sex with pre-pubescent children is harmful to other people? How?

I erroneously thought about the old meaning of the word pedophile, one that was synonymous with child molesters.

[Concordeia]

Thinking about having sex with pre-pubescent children is harmful to other people? How?

I erroneously thought about the old meaning of the word pedophile, one that was synonymous with child molesters.

Pedophile has NEVER meant child molester! Get your words straight!!

[Ferrond]

I SAID CONVICTED CHILD MOLESTERS should be killed! Geez can't you tell the difference????

Dude, you really don't have your priorities straight. Besides the fact that I'm against the death penalty, I am far more concerned about murderers than child abusers. Their both bad, to be sure, but if you're murdered, that's it. You're life is over. If you are abused, it is possible to still move on and live life.

And I'm pro-capital punishment, it's a point of view and for some (including myself) an adequate form of punishment.

[Ferrond]

Sorry man, I don't have the energy to post the same stuff over and again. Replace pedophiles with convicted child-molesters in the previous argument and that's it. Thoughts cannot be made illegal, only actions.

So you;re statement was based on not knowing what the word meant... Okay.

Yes, I didn't know the modern terms properly.

[Ferrond]

I erroneously thought about the old meaning of the word pedophile, one that was synonymous with child molesters.

Pedophile has NEVER meant child molester! Get your words straight!!

It did, search your sources better. I'm not pulling terms out of thin air.