How can you support pedophilia?

[Power and Stability]

Paedophilia = Pre-pubescent children.

Ephebophilia = Post-pubescent children

The former is creepy, the latter is awesome.

Thusly, no I don't support paedophilia.

This^^

[The Parkus Empire]

1. NSG never goes off on tangents in threads?

^ This is absolutely and unarguably a perfectly reasonable way to justify something.

[Buffett and Colbert]

If the child in question is both able to give consent and willing to do so, then I see nothing wrong with it.

A child cannot give consent.

[Conserative Morality]

1. NSG never goes off on tangents in threads?

2. Sharia Law disagrees.

1. Usually there's a relevant catalyst.

2. Proof by example, a logical fallacy. One, even many, examples of radical interpretations of certain religions neither means that all religions nor all interpretations of some religions are intolerant. Try again.

[South Sharfghotten]

I think the only way that the danger of pedophilia will ever be removed is if pedophiles are relegated to some opacific island with running water, electricity, and such, where they can live out normal, if isolated, lives a thousand miles away from vulnerable children.

[Wilgrove]

As long as the pedophile doesn't act on his attraction, then It's no concern of mine on what's going on in his head. However the moment he acts, he's no longer just a pedophile and is now a child abuser and should be treated as a criminal.

[New Kereptica]

If the child in question is both able to give consent and willing to do so, then I see nothing wrong with it.

A child cannot give consent.

There's your answer, then.

[The Parkus Empire]

I think the only way that the danger of pedophilia will ever be removed is if pedophiles are relegated to some opacific island with running water, electricity, and such, where they can live out normal, if isolated, lives a thousand miles away from vulnerable children.

And quite possibly procreate and have lots of babies....

[New Kereptica]

Persecuting them and driving them into hiding isn't going to fix that problem

The problem can only be fixed with a bullet applied to the brain, it is only reasonable to ask them to keep their desires to themselves

Again, "keeping their desires to themselves", meaning not abusing children, is not the same things as suppressing those desires. And no, as long as the structure of the brain is mutable, anything arising therefrom is the same.

[The Twilight Shadow]

Imo there is absolutely nothing wrong with paedophilia in itself... I believe it to be a sexual orientation and the paedophiles cant help it. The issue is how this sexuality is carried out. If the child gives consent then I do not see any reason for this to be a crime. If the child does not consent then it should be classed as rape and punished.
We should be punishing the act not the orientation.

Indeed. In addition there is a great deal of stigma against pedephelic pornagraphic material, material where NO CHILD WAS INVOLVED WHATSOEVER, such as things like lolicon or written erotica. Yet these materials are censored and their distribution forbade and for what? So that regular people aren't offended? Who is presumed to be viewing the material in the first place? Logic error: You don't seek out what you find offensive.

Forcing someone to have sex with you against their will is rape, regardless of age. However mutual consent is not rape. Most teenagers can understand the concepts of sex education and by that point can tell you what they want. Does it not follow that they obviously can consent? I have heard the argument that minors cannot be prepared for the responsibilities of parenthood. First off there are plenty of ADULTS who are not prepared for the responsibilities of parenthood, should they lose their right to consent as well? Second I happen to live in a community with a lot of teen pregnancies, and therefore a lot of youth parents and let me tell you there are some very good people out there and some very proud fathers and mothers. People cope and it is not the end of the world. Moreover in a pedaphilic relationship we are forgetting that one of the partners would be an adult, would hopefully have enough foresight to stave off pregancy or at least be able to guide the couple through said consequences.

Saying one has no right to consent is blithely contradicting the existence of one's free will. That alone is more abominable to me than any sexual fetish.

[L3 Communications]

1. NSG never goes off on tangents in threads?

2. Sharia Law disagrees.

1. Usually there's a relevant catalyst.

2. Proof by example, a logical fallacy. One, even many, examples of radical interpretations of certain religions neither means that all religions nor all interpretations of some religions are intolerant. Try again.

1. Orly?

2. Leviticus.

[The Parkus Empire]

The problem can only be fixed with a bullet applied to the brain, it is only reasonable to ask them to keep their desires to themselves

I agree with the second part, which seems to negate the first part.

Anyway, I'm attracted to a lot of women; should I get shot because I might rape them?

[Dryk Reborn]

But mainstreaming doesn't either.

I don't see how you got from "they should recieve our support" to "lets mainstream pedophilia"

[Hydesland]

If the child in question is both able to give consent and willing to do so, then I see nothing wrong with it.

It's one of those brute wrongs, we can't reduce it any further, we just think its wrong intrinsically, or treat it as such.

[New Kereptica]

2. Leviticus.

2 examples. An infinite number more to go.

[United Gackle]

Pedophiles are complete morons, should be bitch slapped couple of times.

[L3 Communications]

1. NSG never goes off on tangents in threads?

^ This is absolutely and unarguably a perfectly reasonable way to justify something.

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[Conserative Morality]

1. Orly?

2. Leviticus.

1. Yes, actually.

2. Did you read the sentence? Let me emphasize a bit in the hope that you might understand this time: one, even many, examples of radical interpretations of certain religions neither means that all religions nor all interpretations of some religions are intolerant. Try again.

[Rebels and Anarchists]

I just feel as though the age of consent should be lowered (a 16 technically can't consent to sex with an 18 year old?). Most 14 year olds can make a moderate amount of life decision, and an extensive amount of everyday decisions, but an 8 year old can't decide whether they want to watch pokemon or play baseball, so find a happy medium.

[The Parkus Empire]

Pedophiles are complete morons, should be bitch slapped couple of times.

"Complete"? Oh dear.

[Conserative Morality]

I just feel as though the age of consent should be lowered (a 16 technically can't consent to sex with an 18 year old?).

They can in the State of Maryland, as well as several other States.

[Olthar]

Meh, whatever. Frankly, I find it difficult to care about a bunch of spoiled, annoying brats that I'll never meet. If someone goes and messes with them, how does it affect me or those I care about?

I don't support pedophilia, but I see no reason to condemn it.

[Rebels and Anarchists]

I just feel as though the age of consent should be lowered (a 16 technically can't consent to sex with an 18 year old?).

They can in the State of Maryland, as well as several other States.

True, but not in some other states (but then again, some states have arcane laws regarding oral sex so...)

[Syndicalistia]

It does seem like some people defend pedophilia lately and it's simply unacceptable. Some compare it to accepting homosexuality but I disagree. If both are consenting adults it's very different from an adult with a kid.

I do think though, that it has a lot to do with age separation. If age of consent is 18 and an 18 year old is having sex with a 17 year old that's basically dating/ not rape.

Whether younger people like to admit it or not, with age comes experience and a good chunk of that experience in our society is experience in and improvements or perfection of manipulation. A good chunk of that experience is also learning to and perfecting covering your own ass even when it means throwing somebody else under the bus (so to speak). I realize that those things start in youth but by adulthood you've had a lot more practice.

Adults simply cannot have equal partner type relationships with children. There are just too many differences. Ability to earn within a certain income range (except in rare cases), ability to gain new employment, ability to relate to other adults, physical strength... Even though a child can be more intellectually intelligent than the adult the experiences and views are going to be different (no matter what the adult tells you).

The part of the brain that deals in decision making is not really developed until about 18 or 19 years old. Again, whether we like to admit it or not, older people are often aware of that and are aware of how to use emotions, commonality with other youth etc. to manipulate younger people. Actually they do it all the time which is why in so many places advertising to kids is/ was illegal. You'll understand how differently young and older people think when you're older.

That brings up a question of what consent actually is. Is it possible to consent (think that you're consenting) while you are a teen or younger and then find that you didn't really consent to that once you've matured? I would say so. Especially when you realize that you were used, and convinced in ways that you didn't understand, and more especially if something went wrong.

I happen to have worked with a pedophile who was, fortunately, caught and put in prison. He was an older, hygienically filthy, disgustingly unattractive, unfit, and generally not well liked guy. So he didn't pick up young chicks (12 - 15) with good looks. He was broke and his car was falling apart so it wasn't a status thing either. He just knew how to pick the right ones and use their emotions and underdeveloped decision making skills against them.

What about the priests who knew how to present themselves as an authority that the kids could trust and who they thought they had to listen to?

My first experience was with someone older, first time wasn't a good thing. Second time was also with an adult and I wanted/ enjoyed it. I don't feel victimized but that doesn't mean that the adult wasn't in the wrong. The adult is supposed to be able to make a responsible decision that will look out for the child's best interest.

There is a lot that can go wrong because of sex and those things can affect the entire remainder of a persons life. You may not realize all of the repercussions or appreciate what you have (especially when it comes to personal freedoms) until you've lost them because of pregnancy or disease. For the 'there are contraceptives' argument let me tell you, my father was using a condom, my mother was on birth control (turns out her hormones were out of whack and the birth control pills may have made it more possible to get pregnant), and they used spermicide, but here I am. This is more of a pro-abstinence argument but again, the adult is supposed to be looking out for the kid's best interests knowing that they often don't do that for themselves. 2 kids that mess up is another situation...

Basically laws against pedophilia are for the protection of children, they are safety based, and they are there for a reason (not arbitrary as some, who are probably pedophiles that want to use you, would have you believe). I agree with challenges that say sometimes the age seems arbitrary (I think 14 or 16 here) but that means that they need to be raised not eliminated.

I could probably go on with more reasoning and kill some potential slippery points but then we'll end up with a book on here and nobody will likely read this much never mind more...

[Rebels and Anarchists]

Meh, whatever. Frankly, I find it difficult to care about a bunch of spoiled, annoying brats that I'll never meet. If someone goes and messes with them, how does it affect me or those I care about?

I don't support pedophilia, but I see no reason to condemn it.

I agree completely with this statement. Also, I think people blow the effects out of proportion. If they are raped is one thing, but if they decide to participate, they will be ok. Most of the effects are from everybody questioning them and suddenly treating them as though they are traumatized.