L3 Communications wrote:The law disagrees.
Because the law is definitely relevant in matters of ontology.
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by Unhealthy2 » Tue Oct 05, 2010 6:45 pm
L3 Communications wrote:The law disagrees.
by The Evil Reich » Tue Oct 05, 2010 6:49 pm
North Caucasus wrote:Taking the pledge is really nothing more than a show of respect, if you took 2 seconds to get your crooked tampon in order you would realize that many people have been killed and hurt for you to have the luxurie of even having an education.
by Fyorder » Tue Oct 05, 2010 6:49 pm
by Vesintor » Tue Oct 05, 2010 7:15 pm
by Tavalu » Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:10 pm
Vesintor wrote:I'm a bit taken aback by the overwhelming amount of posts that have told me I should leave America because I don't want to pledge my allegiance. I am also thankful that we have some intelligent individuals on this board that have jumped to defend my rights.
Yes I'm 17, call me immature, angsty, or whatever you want to assume that I am. I don't think standing up for your rights makes you immature.
by Bendira » Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:15 pm
by New Kereptica » Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:22 pm
Blouman Empire wrote:Natural is not nature.
KiloMikeAlpha wrote:Umm hmm.... mind if I siggy that as a reminder to those who think that it is cool to shove their bat-shit crazy atheist beliefs on those of us who actually have a clue?
Teccor wrote:You're actually arguing with Kereptica? It's like arguing with a far-Left, militantly atheist brick wall.
Bluth Corporation wrote:No. A free market literally has zero bubbles.
JJ Place wrote:I have a few more pressing matters to attend to right now; I'll be back later this evening to continue my one-man against the world struggle.
Mercator Terra wrote: Mental illness is a myth.
by Bendira » Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:23 pm
I hope you realize the amount of disrespect you've shown to the countless numbers of people who worked hard for you, because to be quite blunt I would rather be a pacifist then even run the risk of being injured knowing that you reside in our borders crying about how something isn't fair.
by New Kereptica » Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:24 pm
Bendira wrote:Actually, thats not a valid argument. Its not valid, because I could say that you should get the fuck out of the country for being anti-American because you advocate delocation instead of allowing people to practice freedom of speach and freedom of expression. So no, thats a horribly stupid argument that NASCAR fans make during commercial breaks.
Blouman Empire wrote:Natural is not nature.
KiloMikeAlpha wrote:Umm hmm.... mind if I siggy that as a reminder to those who think that it is cool to shove their bat-shit crazy atheist beliefs on those of us who actually have a clue?
Teccor wrote:You're actually arguing with Kereptica? It's like arguing with a far-Left, militantly atheist brick wall.
Bluth Corporation wrote:No. A free market literally has zero bubbles.
JJ Place wrote:I have a few more pressing matters to attend to right now; I'll be back later this evening to continue my one-man against the world struggle.
Mercator Terra wrote: Mental illness is a myth.
by L3 Communications » Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:24 pm
New new nebraska wrote:Vesintor wrote:In the state of Virginia, students are required to stand and say the pledge unless they have an exemption from their parents. I am 17 and I not only disagree with the wording in the pledge of allegiance (one nation, under god);
You are not obligated to say that partVesintor wrote:I also refuse to pledge my allegiance to the United States government. I find the laws and actions of this country appalling and heinous (particularly prohibition).
Then you deserve no recourse in its courts or the privledge of its education system. (well more because of "I don't have any respect for the flag or this country, and I won't stand up for it." )And BTW prohibition has been repealled.
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by Auremena » Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:25 pm
I totally agree with you, and am in the same position.Vesintor wrote:I'm a bit taken aback by the overwhelming amount of posts that have told me I should leave America because I don't want to pledge my allegiance. I am also thankful that we have some intelligent individuals on this board that have jumped to defend my rights.
Yes I'm 17, call me immature, angsty, or whatever you want to assume that I am. I don't think standing up for your rights makes you immature.
by Bendira » Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:30 pm
New Kereptica wrote:Bendira wrote:Actually, thats not a valid argument. Its not valid, because I could say that you should get the fuck out of the country for being anti-American because you advocate delocation instead of allowing people to practice freedom of speach and freedom of expression. So no, thats a horribly stupid argument that NASCAR fans make during commercial breaks.
You are a master of gleaning the details in posts.
by Northern Itasca » Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:31 pm
Vesintor wrote:In the state of Virginia, students are required to stand and say the pledge unless they have an exemption from their parents. I am 17 and I not only disagree with the wording in the pledge of allegiance (one nation, under god); I also refuse to pledge my allegiance to the United States government. I find the laws and actions of this country appalling and heinous (particularly prohibition). My parents have refused to sign an exemption because they don't agree with my views.
I will not just stand up, I have dignity and a right to practice civil disobedience. I don't have any respect for the flag or this country, and I won't stand up for it. I suggest students in a similar predicament to sit down, don't give in just because people tell you to. Now I may be facing some sort of disciplinary action from the school for refusing to recite a pledge; it's the land of the free and home of the brave I suppose.
Here's an excerpt from the Virginia Senate Bill 1331:Pledge of Allegiance. Requires (i) all students to be required to learn the Pledge of Allegiance and to demonstrate such knowledge and (ii) each school board to require the daily recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance in each classroom of the school division and to ensure that an American flag is in place in each classroom. Each school board must determine the appropriate time during the school day for the recitation of the Pledge. During the Pledge of Allegiance, students must either stand and recite the Pledge while facing the flag with their right hands over their hearts or in an appropriate salute if in uniform; however, no student can be compelled to recite the Pledge if he, his parent or legal guardian objects on religious, philosophical, or other grounds. Students who are thus exempt from reciting the Pledge must remain quietly standing or sitting at their desks while others recite the Pledge and must not make any display that disrupts or distracts others who are reciting the Pledge. School boards must provide appropriate accommodations for students who are unable to comply with these procedures due to disability. School board codes of conduct shall apply to disruptive behavior during the recitation of the Pledge in the same manner as provided for other circumstances of similar behavior. The Office of the Attorney General must intervene on behalf of local school boards and must provide legal defense of these provisions.
Here's a link to the full text.
I do apologize for the verbose nature of this post, but I felt that this community was the right place to share my plight.
EDIT: I did misread the statute, thank you guys for pointing that out. I am bringing this to class tomorrow and I will tell my teacher I don't need my parents to exempt me.
by Revoltaire » Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:31 pm
L3 Communications wrote:New new nebraska wrote:
You are not obligated to say that part
Then you deserve no recourse in its courts or the privledge of its education system. (well more because of "I don't have any respect for the flag or this country, and I won't stand up for it." )And BTW prohibition has been repealled.
Calling public education a "privilege" is a bit of stretch, no?
by New Kereptica » Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:32 pm
Bendira wrote:Why aren't you sipping a Milwakee's Best watching NASCAR? It would do just as much good, considering your clearly not engaged in any sort of relevant discussion here.
Blouman Empire wrote:Natural is not nature.
KiloMikeAlpha wrote:Umm hmm.... mind if I siggy that as a reminder to those who think that it is cool to shove their bat-shit crazy atheist beliefs on those of us who actually have a clue?
Teccor wrote:You're actually arguing with Kereptica? It's like arguing with a far-Left, militantly atheist brick wall.
Bluth Corporation wrote:No. A free market literally has zero bubbles.
JJ Place wrote:I have a few more pressing matters to attend to right now; I'll be back later this evening to continue my one-man against the world struggle.
Mercator Terra wrote: Mental illness is a myth.
by New Kereptica » Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:33 pm
Northern Itasca wrote:If you hate this nation so much why don't you get the fuck out and make the rest of us a lot happier. Go to France and be jobless and be surrounded by terrorist muslims.
Blouman Empire wrote:Natural is not nature.
KiloMikeAlpha wrote:Umm hmm.... mind if I siggy that as a reminder to those who think that it is cool to shove their bat-shit crazy atheist beliefs on those of us who actually have a clue?
Teccor wrote:You're actually arguing with Kereptica? It's like arguing with a far-Left, militantly atheist brick wall.
Bluth Corporation wrote:No. A free market literally has zero bubbles.
JJ Place wrote:I have a few more pressing matters to attend to right now; I'll be back later this evening to continue my one-man against the world struggle.
Mercator Terra wrote: Mental illness is a myth.
by Norstal » Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:33 pm
Vesintor wrote:I'm a bit taken aback by the overwhelming amount of posts that have told me I should leave America because I don't want to pledge my allegiance. I am also thankful that we have some intelligent individuals on this board that have jumped to defend my rights.
Yes I'm 17, call me immature, angsty, or whatever you want to assume that I am. I don't think standing up for your rights makes you immature.
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by Bendira » Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:34 pm
by New Kereptica » Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:35 pm
Bendira wrote:You could have brought that up in your last post, but you chose not to because you would prefer to be extremely annoying and not engage in any relevant discussion whatsoever.
Blouman Empire wrote:Natural is not nature.
KiloMikeAlpha wrote:Umm hmm.... mind if I siggy that as a reminder to those who think that it is cool to shove their bat-shit crazy atheist beliefs on those of us who actually have a clue?
Teccor wrote:You're actually arguing with Kereptica? It's like arguing with a far-Left, militantly atheist brick wall.
Bluth Corporation wrote:No. A free market literally has zero bubbles.
JJ Place wrote:I have a few more pressing matters to attend to right now; I'll be back later this evening to continue my one-man against the world struggle.
Mercator Terra wrote: Mental illness is a myth.
by Dazchan » Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:51 pm
Lithatrius wrote:Hate to break it to you all, but school rules > national law. i.e. You can smoke at 18. Try smoking outside of your school at the end of the day, and watch how the school hands your arse to ya. You're breaking no laws, but you still get buttraped harder than George Michael.
by Vesintor » Tue Oct 05, 2010 10:21 pm
Norstal wrote:Vesintor wrote:I'm a bit taken aback by the overwhelming amount of posts that have told me I should leave America because I don't want to pledge my allegiance. I am also thankful that we have some intelligent individuals on this board that have jumped to defend my rights.
Yes I'm 17, call me immature, angsty, or whatever you want to assume that I am. I don't think standing up for your rights makes you immature.
I don't want you to leave America either, but I'm just quite baffled at the argument you're trying to make. That, you're allowed to NOT pledge is the point I'm trying to make a couple of posts ago.
Seems like you finally understand that. Good on ya. You should be a senator when you grow up, not a lot of people read statutes or bills.
by Koffee » Tue Oct 05, 2010 11:28 pm
by Dyakovo » Tue Oct 05, 2010 11:44 pm
Allied Governments wrote:I find it pathetic that you're whining about something so trivial.
But hey, that's NSG for you.
by Dyakovo » Tue Oct 05, 2010 11:49 pm
United Gackle wrote:Well then, your not an American.....
by Dyakovo » Tue Oct 05, 2010 11:51 pm
Altimaea wrote:Hitchensland wrote:
It has "God" in it, which means it is favoring monotheism over other religions, or even the absence of religion. It doesn't matter that's it's not specific about which religion, it's still favoring religion over irreligion, thus compromising the government's religious neutrality. The government is not supposed to favor any form of religious concept, no matter how generic or widely accepted. The government is supposed to be completely neutral and not mention it at all.
Well you cant very well not have religion because then you are favoring atheists and the like. Paradox. Besides the pledge of allegiance ISNT part of the government.
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