Black Pride! (Yay.) Brown Pride! (Yay.) White Pride! (Punch)

[Norstal]

Cat-Tribe pointed out a study that had white college students who thought they'd be entitled to some $1,000,000 if they woke up brown one day. You sure you don't want to sue for the million?

Oh, if somebody turned me brown, I'd sue - not because I deeply identify with my super-special whiteness, or because I think it makes me in any way, shape, or form superior, but because I'm conscious enough of my own privilege to recognize that being turned brown would significantly harm me. It's hard enough to get hired in this economy as it is without adding one more reason for idiots to discriminate against me. Turning brown shouldn't be a harm (at least assuming I turned a nice shade of brown that didn't clash with my hair or anything), but as long as there are people in the world like many of the posters in this thread, it will be.

You shouldn't be scared of them. Really, they're not in power anymore! Its dem chainese we gotta worry about /sarcasm
Racial supremacist of any race is a minority. Ironic, but its the truth.

[Vojvodina-Nihon]

As a result, your anti-miscegenation crusade is positively anti-American as well. Either accept American culture (with its focus on integration and individualism, and being blind to all races, colours, genders, and creeds except for blacks jews females irish muslims mexicans)

That is not American culture; that is a liberal lie intended to take the place of American culture.

Do you live under a rock? There's pretty much no way to grow up American without absorbing that. Folk heroes are all rugged individualists and people who fought the system, ranging from the Mayflower to the Underground Railroad. The American Dream is basically all about immigration (leaving places of perpetual poverty for the Land of Opportunity, Statue of Liberty, blah blah). To say nothing of the Declaration of Independence, the Bill of Rights, the later amendments to the U.S. Constitution (13th, 14th, 15th...). This isn't even stuff you're going to be taught in schools -- although the Presidents you're most likely to hear about are people like Abraham Lincoln and Theodore Roosevelt -- it's pretty much everywhere, which is practically the definition of "culture".

In no reality can American culture possibly be construed as anti-individualist and anti-integration -- some Americans are, but they recognise a gulf between themselves and the mainstream.

What's particularly funny is that my "race" is actually Semitic, by about 3/4, yet if you saw me you'd think I was a typical WASP kid. By blood, I'm a Hungarian Jew. But I will bet any sum of money you want that I would be welcomed on any Aryan or White Nationalist forum, thanks to my pale skin, blue eyes, and blond hair. I

What's funny (or sad) is that white nationalists are the only people who would take that interpretation -- pretty much everyone else who accepts the idea of race knows Judaism is a religion.

[Offenheim]

What's particularly funny is that my "race" is actually Semitic, by about 3/4, yet if you saw me you'd think I was a typical WASP kid. By blood, I'm a Hungarian Jew. But I will bet any sum of money you want that I would be welcomed on any Aryan or White Nationalist forum, thanks to my pale skin, blue eyes, and blond hair. I

What's funny (or sad) is that white nationalists are the only people who would take that interpretation -- pretty much everyone else who accepts the idea of race knows Judaism is a religion.

Semitic is used here as a stand-in for "Jewish", specifically the ethnic background of being Jewish. There are of course, Semites who are not Jewish, but within the Jewish ethnic group, there are multiple divisions as well, the best well-known being the Ashkenazim and the Sephardim.

Bit of a side track, and I know it'll probably stir up some extra problems in a thread that doesn't need any, but there are genetic markers for belonging to the Semitic people, and more specifically one of those two Jewish ethnicities. This isn't an argument for separating Jews out from the rest of us, it's merely stating that yes, worshiping Judaism is a religion, but being a Jew is not necessarily worshiping. In fact, it's pretty common in Europeans to have some kind of marker signaling ancestry from the Ashkenazis.

[Cybach]

What's funny (or sad) is that white nationalists are the only people who would take that interpretation -- pretty much everyone else who accepts the idea of race knows Judaism is a religion.

Semitic is used here as a stand-in for "Jewish", specifically the ethnic background of being Jewish. There are of course, Semites who are not Jewish, but within the Jewish ethnic group, there are multiple divisions as well, the best well-known being the Ashkenazim and the Sephardim.

Bit of a side track, and I know it'll probably stir up some extra problems in a thread that doesn't need any, but there are genetic markers for belonging to the Semitic people, and more specifically one of those two Jewish ethnicities. This isn't an argument for separating Jews out from the rest of us, it's merely stating that yes, worshiping Judaism is a religion, but being a Jew is not necessarily worshiping. In fact, it's pretty common in Europeans to have some kind of marker signaling ancestry from the Ashkenazis.

Arabs with an estimated 422 million members are the largest Semitic people.

[Dyakovo]

That system of classification is outdated and allows for far too many blurred boundaries. Races should be clearly defined without compromise.

So wait, you want to replace an "outdated" system with one that is not only far more obsolete, but also completely divorced from science and reality?

Yeah, no. Race isn't clearly defined. Do you know why? Because from a biological perspective, there's no significant difference between the one species: Homo sapiens.

That is your (misguided and completely incorrect) opinion. Those people who actually care to define themselves as part of a group, as most of humanity does, are harmed when their most concrete means of self definition is taken from them.

Tough shit. Racial identity is as arbitrary as basing my worth on the fact that I'm left-handed. Unless we want to play that game. I haven't fed my god complex in a while, so I'm up for it.

That's different, right-handed people are clearly better than "lefties"...

[Dyakovo]

And really, you haven't said anything with regard to the importance of race aside from the fact that people tend to identify with it. That doesn't make it actually important, and it certainly doesn't make it stupid to demolish race.

I didn't just say that people "tend to identify with it", I said that race is the single most important and concrete aspect of a person's identity. You can change your faith, your ideals, and your place of residence, but you are born with your race and stuck with it until the day you die. To take away this core aspect of identity from a person is one of the most terrible crimes one can commit aside from killing that person outright.

Your race is who you are.

Maybe your race is who you are. Don't try to speak for me.

[Dyakovo]

I didn't just say that people "tend to identify with it", I said that race is the single most important and concrete aspect of a person's identity. You can change your faith, your ideals, and your place of residence, but you are born with your race and stuck with it until the day you die. To take away this core aspect of identity from a person is one of the most terrible crimes one can commit aside from killing that person outright.

Your race is who you are.

Hogwash.

I'm white. What does that mean?

Apparently it means that you should be doing your best to oppress non-whites... At least according to Cob...

[Dyakovo]

...When people accuse you of making a stupid argument, you usually don't defend yourself by correcting them that you actually made one even worse.



Good thing it's immutable and stuck with you then, right? I mean, if you could take it then it would probably be kinda... mutable.



No it isn't. My personality and passions are who I am.

Good points.

What's particularly funny is that my "race" is actually Semitic, by about 3/4, yet if you saw me you'd think I was a typical WASP kid. By blood, I'm a Hungarian Jew. But I will bet any sum of money you want that I would be welcomed on any Aryan or White Nationalist forum, thanks to my pale skin, blue eyes, and blond hair. I

I always knew there was something wrong with you...

[Reichskommissariat ost]

...When people accuse you of making a stupid argument, you usually don't defend yourself by correcting them that you actually made one even worse.



Good thing it's immutable and stuck with you then, right? I mean, if you could take it then it would probably be kinda... mutable.



No it isn't. My personality and passions are who I am.

Good points.
What's particularly funny is that my "race" is actually Semitic, by about 3/4, yet if you saw me you'd think I was a typical WASP kid. By blood, I'm a Hungarian Jew. But I will bet any sum of money you want that I would be welcomed on any Aryan or White Nationalist forum, thanks to my pale skin, blue eyes, and blond hair. I

IMO real semitic jews are Sephardic, Ashkenazis are way too mixed with other europeans, so they look white. Semites look arabic, so unless your parents look arabic they arent probably semites, only some far ancestor maybe was.

[Bottle]

Good points.
What's particularly funny is that my "race" is actually Semitic, by about 3/4, yet if you saw me you'd think I was a typical WASP kid. By blood, I'm a Hungarian Jew. But I will bet any sum of money you want that I would be welcomed on any Aryan or White Nationalist forum, thanks to my pale skin, blue eyes, and blond hair. I

IMO real semitic jews are Sephardic, Ashkenazis are way too mixed with other europeans, so they look white. Semites look arabic, so unless your parents look arabic they arent probably semites, only some far ancestor maybe was.

My paternal grandparents came over from the Old Country, and recently enough the Poppy's English was never very good.

I know my family tree, but thanks.

[Aryan WNs]

Most of the Black men were lynched because they raped or were suspected of rapping a girl, or killing a man/woman.
15 and 17 million people ethnically cleansed by the Nazi Party? Source please.
Africans, comprise of different races, Africa is a continent.

Source for the holocaust? Really?

And yeah, for sure all lynched blacks were rapists, really. Pleeease.

15 and 17 million people ethnically cleansed by the Nazi Party? Source please.

Please, someone sig this. It's almost too good.

Yes a source to back up the figures you are claiming. Here is a source that agrees with you http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_people_did_Hitler_kill_in_World_War_2
I am quoting this little gem "between 15 and 17 million deaths, mostly in concentration camps by burning them to death in groups.” Burning 15-17 million people would take years, not half a decade. 15-17 million people's ashes would account for scores of tonnes of ashes, do you really think that burning all those people is even possible in 6 years. That could be up to 1.5 million people burned a year.
I do not doubt that people died in camps that Hitler put them in.
No not all Blacks that were lynched committed rapes, some murders, some were highwaymen etc, and of course some, not even a high minority though, were innocent. They were innocent though wrongly being identified, or maybe the lynch mobs thought that we can't find the real rapist so we shall just lynch another Black.
If you still don't believe me do some research on black on white crime, especially regarding rape:
http://www.davidduke.com/general/the-racial-murder-and-rape-of-white-women-in-america_3555.html
For the year of 2005 it was reported that blacks had committed 37,460 rapes or sexual assaults against White women. Furthermore most authorities believe that the actual figure is twice that high, not every woman who is rapped reports it, or is able to report it.
Of course I could be wrong and that in the olden days blacks didn’t rape anyone at all and it was only recently that blacks had been taught how to rape

So you have scoffed like one of those 'so called intellectuals' that are much smarter than an inbred wacist but you have not given any sources.

[Laerod]

Yes a source to back up the figures you are claiming. Here is a source that agrees with you http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_people_did_Hitler_kill_in_World_War_2
I am quoting this little gem "between 15 and 17 million deaths, mostly in concentration camps by burning them to death in groups.” Burning 15-17 million people would take years, not half a decade. 15-17 million people's ashes would account for scores of tonnes of ashes, do you really think that burning all those people is even possible in 6 years. That could be up to 1.5 million people burned a year.
I do not doubt that people died in camps that Hitler put them in.

Right, some misconceptions to be addressed:
- No one but you is saying that people were ethnically cleansed, and this is because ethnic cleansing means something different than what you're using it for (which is probably why Aelosia is laughing. You're using the term wrongly). Ethnic cleansing is the act of removing a population from an area, usually with the goal of making the rest of the population living there (more) ethnically homogenous. This can occur via murder or sterilization or forced migration. The first two are also a form of genocide.
- You seem to not realize that half a decade actually is "years". It is 5 years, since a decade is 10 years.
- The numbers are different than the ones I've sourced earlier in this thread, so I'm not going to make any statements regarding their validity. However, there are two major flaws in your reasoning: First off, not all people who were murdered were in fact burned, ergo your assumptions regarding the ashes are bogus. Secondly, your time scale is off by a large margin. The number of years that the industrialized murder was going on was 12 years, not 6, since concentrations camps existed as early as 1933 when the Nazis began taking people into "protective custody". While the extermination camps were only around in the later years of their rule, the murder of people was already under way.

[Aryan WNs]

Most of the Black men were lynched because they raped or were suspected of rapping a girl, or killing a man/woman.
15 and 17 million people ethnically cleansed by the Nazi Party? Source please.
Africans, comprise of different races, Africa is a continent.

1. Source please. (two can play at that game)
2. Googling it.
3. I realize that. What is your point?

My point is when you said "how Africans view life of white people?” I presume you meant black people, regarding the slave trade yes?
When I said Africa is a continent, and there are different races living within that continent i.e. Semite Arabs, Negroids, Somalians, Aryan-Arab mixed etc, only the Negroid race was enslaved during the American slave trade, in fact the Arabs have also undergone a similar slave trade when the enslaved many Negroids.

[Laerod]

My point is when you said "how Africans view life of white people?” I presume you meant black people, regarding the slave trade yes?
When I said Africa is a continent, and there are different races living within that continent i.e. Semite Arabs, Negroids, Somalians, Aryan-Arab mixed etc, only the Negroid race was enslaved during the American slave trade, in fact the Arabs have also undergone a similar slave trade when the enslaved many Negroids.

A similar slave trade? On what plantations exactly? The purpose of the transatlantic slave trade made the conditions in which slaves were kept inherently different from those of continental Africa.

[Aryan WNs]

Yes a source to back up the figures you are claiming. Here is a source that agrees with you http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_people_did_Hitler_kill_in_World_War_2
I am quoting this little gem "between 15 and 17 million deaths, mostly in concentration camps by burning them to death in groups.” Burning 15-17 million people would take years, not half a decade. 15-17 million people's ashes would account for scores of tonnes of ashes, do you really think that burning all those people is even possible in 6 years. That could be up to 1.5 million people burned a year.
I do not doubt that people died in camps that Hitler put them in.

Right, some misconceptions to be addressed:
- No one but you is saying that people were ethnically cleansed, and this is because ethnic cleansing means something different than what you're using it for (which is probably why Aelosia is laughing. You're using the term wrongly). Ethnic cleansing is the act of removing a population from an area, usually with the goal of making the rest of the population living there (more) ethnically homogenous. This can occur via murder or sterilization or forced migration. The first two are also a form of genocide.
- You seem to not realize that half a decade actually is "years". It is 5 years, since a decade is 10 years.
- The numbers are different than the ones I've sourced earlier in this thread, so I'm not going to make any statements regarding their validity. However, there are two major flaws in your reasoning: First off, not all people who were murdered were in fact burned, ergo your assumptions regarding the ashes are bogus. Secondly, your time scale is off by a large margin. The number of years that the industrialized murder was going on was 12 years, not 6, since concentrations camps existed as early as 1933 when the Nazis began taking people into "protective custody". While the extermination camps were only around in the later years of their rule, the murder of people was already under way.

This is why I mentioned ethnic cleansing:

Combine that with the efforts of Nazi Germany, killing somewhere between 15 and 17 million people, with an insane goal of an ethnic cleansing of the world.

The Jews were ethnically cleansed; they were moved to different areas. People who believe that Hitler wanted to kill the Jews, isn't that ethnic cleansing? Killing a whole people (I admit that they would not all be of the same ethnicity, so would it still be ethnic cleansing?). Then there are the people who believe that Hitler just wanted to rid the Jews from Europe, by moving them to Israel or the US. Hitler also wanted to create living space for the Germans so wouldn't this be ethnic cleansing, providing the Germans move into the areas which the Jews once lived?
I admit that when I said years I worded it wrong, I meant years as in more than a decade, like 20 years or more. I should have worded it correctly I admit and been more specific.
Secondly I admit that saying all the murdered people were burned was stupid. However I was showing up a source regarding the numbers where it says that that they died by being burned to death in groups, and does not mention any other ways; however it is a terrible source.
One the last point I am not going to argue, or agree otherwise this will turn into a Holocaust thread, not: Why isn’t White Pride accepted as much as other prides?

[Aryan WNs]

My point is when you said "how Africans view life of white people?” I presume you meant black people, regarding the slave trade yes?
When I said Africa is a continent, and there are different races living within that continent i.e. Semite Arabs, Negroids, Somalians, Aryan-Arab mixed etc, only the Negroid race was enslaved during the American slave trade, in fact the Arabs have also undergone a similar slave trade when the enslaved many Negroids.

A similar slave trade? On what plantations exactly? The purpose of the transatlantic slave trade made the conditions in which slaves were kept inherently different from those of continental Africa.

Similar in the aspect that people were forced into slavery by a different race. Furthermore the fact that they were forced into slavery (is there any other way of going into slavery) is similar.
I wouldn't know for sure however it wouldn't surprise me if the Arab owned Negroid slaves worked on farms/fields, aren't these plantations?
Surely when the Arabs enslaved the Negroids they kept them different conditions to those they were used to: Living (to some degree) free, which was taken away from them when they were enslaved by the Arabs.
Yes of course America is different to Sub-Sahara Africa, even more so then Egypt or other Arab states of that time.

[Laerod]

This is why I mentioned ethnic cleansing:

Combine that with the efforts of Nazi Germany, killing somewhere between 15 and 17 million people, with an insane goal of an ethnic cleansing of the world.

I did check up on the context of your statement, yes. The way you're using it is wrong. You cannot really ethnically cleanse a people, you can ethnically cleanse a population or an area. However the ethnic cleansing of the world will require genocide.

The Jews were ethnically cleansed; they were moved to different areas. People who believe that Hitler wanted to kill the Jews, isn't that ethnic cleansing?

What? The first sentence still makes sense. Yes, moving the Jews to Ghettos primarily in what is now Poland was the act of ethnicly cleansing the Greater German Empire. The second one doesn't really... mean anything. Please reword it if I don't answer right: Yes, killing the Jews after they were deported to ghettos (in the ghettos as well, as there were subjected to systematic malnourishment) is also ethnic cleansing, only the tool used here is genocide rather than deportation.

Killing a whole people (I admit that they would not all be of the same ethnicity, so would it still be ethnic cleansing?).

The Jews were largely being killed for being Jews, so yes, that would be ethnic cleansing and genocide. There were also other people being killed, but this does not somehow mean that the Jews being singled out and targetted the way they were is not ethnic cleansing.

Then there are the people who believe that Hitler just wanted to rid the Jews from Europe, by moving them to Israel or the US.

These people would have to ignore the mountains of evidence to the contrary, consisting of documents, films, and corpses, to maintain their delusion that the Jews were only meant to be deported out of the German Empire. Also, Germany's reversal of its emigration laws disproves the argument that all the Nazis wanted was for the Jews to leave Germany.

Hitler also wanted to create living space for the Germans so wouldn't this be ethnic cleansing, providing the Germans move into the areas which the Jews once lived?

Yes this would be ethnic cleansing. It would even be ethnic cleansing if the Germans did not move into the areas in question.

I admit that when I said years I worded it wrong, I meant years as in more than a decade, like 20 years or more. I should have worded it correctly I admit and been more specific.
Secondly I admit that saying all the murdered people were burned was stupid. However I was showing up a source regarding the numbers where it says that that they died by being burned to death in groups, and does not mention any other ways; however it is a terrible source.

David Duke is not a reliable source though, since he does not actually engage in serious research.

One the last point I am not going to argue, or agree otherwise this will turn into a Holocaust thread, not: Why isn’t White Pride accepted as much as other prides?

TCT posted a good reason as to why earlier in this thread: It's because minority pride is meant to reaffirm that it's ok to be a member of the minority, that the minority is equally valuable as the majority and an individual of the minority isn't worth less than a member of the majority. Ergo, Black Pride and Gay Pride movements are meant to counter the message that they are inferior because they deviate from "the norm". White Pride is a reaction by racists seeing their privileged position under fire that uses the superficial argument that there is reverse racism going on.

[Doitzel]

I just don't understand any of this and I doubt I ever will. I bet a fair chunk of people here would label me a racist if they ever met me just because I find the fixation with skin colour to be so silly that it's impossible not to joke about it. It'd be so cool if one day every minority woke up and got over all their insecurities about being kept down by the white man, and the white man would get over his paranoia that all the darkies is gunna supasede his authoriteh.

Get some new materials people!

[Geniasis]

Similar in the aspect that people were forced into slavery by a different race. Furthermore the fact that they were forced into slavery (is there any other way of going into slavery) is similar.
I wouldn't know for sure however it wouldn't surprise me if the Arab owned Negroid slaves worked on farms/fields, aren't these plantations?
Surely when the Arabs enslaved the Negroids they kept them different conditions to those they were used to: Living (to some degree) free, which was taken away from them when they were enslaved by the Arabs.
Yes of course America is different to Sub-Sahara Africa, even more so then Egypt or other Arab states of that time.

Actually, the race issue was part of what made the Atlantic slave trade unique. That, and the total dehumanization of slaves to total property was, if not totally unique, certainly not common for slavery up to that point.

That's different, right-handed people are clearly better than "lefties"...

Don't lie to a god, Dyakovo. We find it quite rude.

Seriously though, cut the shit with the scissors. We know you know how to make decent lefty scissors, so stop fucking around with us.

[Cobhanglica]

The blacks that polluted my family's bloodline are not from America; thus, blues is not a part of their culture. They have some disgusting crap called calypso, which is even worse.

And then he wonders (people like him) why other races have a 'problem' when he expresses pride in his Lilly whiteness.

Your words are a detriment to your beloved 'white race'. If I were you, I would, you know, stop expressing my blatant racism in an Internet forum. A closed mouth gathers no feet.

Thing is, I probably would be an anti-racist like you guys if the nonwhites hadn't gone and literally screwed over my bloodline. Being stuck with a mixed pile of crap for DNA is what drives me to put such heavy emphasis on my white heritage and to distance myself from the nonwhite side as much as possible.

[Unchecked Expansion]

Thing is, I probably would be an anti-racist like you guys if the nonwhites hadn't gone and literally screwed over my bloodline. Being stuck with a mixed pile of crap for DNA is what drives me to put such heavy emphasis on my white heritage and to distance myself from the nonwhite side as much as possible.

So because of that you side with the people who hate you against the people who don't think it makes a difference what's in your genes?

[Unhealthy2]

Thing is, I probably would be an anti-racist like you guys if the nonwhites hadn't gone and literally screwed over my bloodline. Being stuck with a mixed pile of crap for DNA is what drives me to put such heavy emphasis on my white heritage and to distance myself from the nonwhite side as much as possible.

Your "crap" DNA is almost identical to ever other human's DNA. Hell, the Gaussian distributions of the genetics of various "races" overlap so much that there's as much variation within "races" than between them.

Besides, mixing different DNA is a GOOD thing. Genetic diversity due to genetic recombination allotted for by sex was an enormous boon to evolution, because it created a huge amount of variation on which natural selection could act. There's a reason why sex evolved, and why we don't just bud, divide, or use some other non-sexual method of reproduction.

[Tokos]

Your "crap" DNA is almost identical to ever other human's DNA.

My DNA is almost identical to Michaelangelo's DNA… but that tiny difference means a hell of a lot.

Besides, mixing different DNA is a GOOD thing. Genetic diversity due to genetic recombination allotted for by sex was an enormous boon to evolution, because it created a huge amount of variation on which natural selection could act. There's a reason why sex evolved, and why we don't just bud, divide, or use some other non-sexual method of reproduction.

This is nonsense and a huge fallacy. You're basically saying that, because incest is bad and a certain level of genetic diversity is good, that genetic diversity is automatically an unqualified bonus. There's no evidence for this - it's as much taking "incest is bad" to a logical extreme as "half-fish people would be good because it's genetic diversity".

Plus, mixing different DNA results, in the long run, in homogeneity.

[Zyxtel]

Thing is, I probably would be an anti-racist like you guys if the nonwhites hadn't gone and literally screwed over my bloodline. Being stuck with a mixed pile of crap for DNA is what drives me to put such heavy emphasis on my white heritage and to distance myself from the nonwhite side as much as possible.

Your "crap" DNA is almost identical to ever other human's DNA. Hell, the Gaussian distributions of the genetics of various "races" overlap so much that there's as much variation within "races" than between them.

Besides, mixing different DNA is a GOOD thing. Genetic diversity due to genetic recombination allotted for by sex was an enormous boon to evolution, because it created a huge amount of variation on which natural selection could act. There's a reason why sex evolved, and why we don't just bud, divide, or use some other non-sexual method of reproduction.

A long time ago I read that the genetic spread among humans was greater that the genetic difference between humans and chimpanzees. In short, we're all still apes.

[Reichskommissariat ost]

Your "crap" DNA is almost identical to ever other human's DNA. Hell, the Gaussian distributions of the genetics of various "races" overlap so much that there's as much variation within "races" than between them.

Besides, mixing different DNA is a GOOD thing. Genetic diversity due to genetic recombination allotted for by sex was an enormous boon to evolution, because it created a huge amount of variation on which natural selection could act. There's a reason why sex evolved, and why we don't just bud, divide, or use some other non-sexual method of reproduction.

A long time ago I read that the genetic spread among humans was greater that the genetic difference between humans and chimpanzees. In short, we're all still apes.

We share 50 percent of our genes with bananas, that means were half banana.