Black Pride! (Yay.) Brown Pride! (Yay.) White Pride! (Punch)

[Laerod]

Fantastic post, TCT. That last excerpt in particular was an excellent, if sobering, read.

Sadly, I have no doubt most of the people who really need to read it will ignore it, but there's not much one can do about that. :(

We should petition the Mods to create a pinned thread into which all of TCT's posts can be pasted, or at least linked. It would save us all a lot of time hunting down the one we want.

Click on his name and search his post record.

[Cobhanglica]

A question, if I may: Where, Cobhanglica, is your place in this "perfect world"? You are not white, at least not to Stormfront, and your beliefs of raical purity seem like they would preclude you from joining a "pure" race of the other parts of your ancestry. You hate "muds", yet you are one.

Where will you go?

I'm waiting.

I do not know or really care for that matter where I will go. My concern is preserving white America civilization and preventing further miscegenation (which in my opinion is a crime on par with murder).

[New Kereptica]

(which in my opinion is a crime on par with murder)

Your opinion is silly.

[Cobhanglica]

(which in my opinion is a crime on par with murder)

Your opinion is silly.

So robbing a child of his/her racial identity is perfectly okay?

[New Kereptica]

Your opinion is silly.

So robbing a child of his/her racial identity is perfectly okay?

Define racial identity. And then explain how one can "rob" a child of it.

[Cobhanglica]

So robbing a child of his/her racial identity is perfectly okay?

Define racial identity. And then explain how one can "rob" a child of it.

Racial identity is the possession of the genes that comprise any defined race. Miscegenation leaves a child raceless. For example, if a white man mates with a black woman, the child is neither white nor black and cannot truly be part of either race.

[Qenlia]

Define racial identity. And then explain how one can "rob" a child of it.

Racial identity is the possession of the genes.

Ooo, I should be so proud to hold those genes - which I randomly got - that only differ external appearance!

[Cobhanglica]

Racial identity is the possession of the genes.

Ooo, I should be so proud to hold those genes - which I randomly got - that only differ external appearance!

They also affect intelligence, height, physical build, and susceptibility to a number of diseases.

[New Kereptica]

Racial identity is the possession of the genes that comprise any defined race. Miscegenation leaves a child raceless. For example, if a white man mates with a black woman, the child is neither white nor black and cannot truly be part of either race.

Races are identified physiologically, not genetically.

And no, you're not robbing a child of racial identity any more than getting an abortion robs a child of life. For it to be robbery, both the owner of the item and the item in question has to exist. In both cases, those criteria are not fulfilled.

Furthermore, yes, it's ok. Racial identity is meaningless. To be classified as either black or white is entirely useless, and thus the inability to do so (which is truly present in any case; race is a spectrum, not a bunch of isolated groups. Nobody is a pure member of any race.) is without importance.

[New Kereptica]

They also affect intelligence, height, physical build, and susceptibility to a number of diseases.

These genes being?

[Cobhanglica]

Races are identified physiologically, not genetically.

That system of classification is outdated and allows for far too many blurred boundaries. Races should be clearly defined without compromise.

And no, you're not robbing a child of racial identity any more than getting an abortion robs a child of life. For it to be robbery, both the owner of the item and the item in question has to exist. In both cases, those criteria are not fulfilled.

Don't start that debate here.

Furthermore, yes, it's ok. Racial identity is meaningless. To be classified as either black or white is entirely useless, and thus the inability to do so (which is truly present in any case; race is a spectrum, not a bunch of isolated groups. Nobody is a pure member of any race.) is without importance.

That is your (misguided and completely incorrect) opinion. Those people who actually care to define themselves as part of a group, as most of humanity does, are harmed when their most concrete means of self definition is taken from them.

[Ralkovia]

Is it really the White mans fault that Asians kept to themselves, Blacks never unified enough, and Indigenous people in Austrailia and America didn't ever advance technologically?

Considering we screwed up the African geography due to greed and committed horrific genocide against virtually every indigenous people we encountered, then proceeded to do the same to the Asians until they struck back (to which we replied with overwhelming force)...

The short answer is yes. We're ultimately responsible for a vast majority of minority problems. There is absolutely no reason to be proud of it outside of paranoid delusions of persecution.

I'll suppose that you're going to blame white people for AIDS as well. We left Africa, they've had 50 years to solve their problems. That is unless you admit that its the white man's burden to make sure these uncivilized monkeys clean up their act, and you bleeding hearts would rather leave them in the dust and let them fight over mud pies. Whose the real humanitarian, the imperialist who in the name of profit will plunder your native countries resources all the while building infrastructure so you, the working force, is kept alive and healthy to work for him or the bleeding liberal who would leave the country and its citizens to suffer meanwhile throwing billions of dollars in aid that goes to dictators that mutilate their own people.

[New Kereptica]

That system of classification is outdated and allows for far too many blurred boundaries. Races should be clearly defined without compromise.

The problem is that they aren't. Genetics in its purest form draws blurry distinctions, and the genetics of human race is hardly pure genetics.

That is your (misguided and completely incorrect) opinion. Those people who actually care to define themselves as part of a group, as most of humanity does, are harmed when their most concrete means of self definition is taken from them.

(Oh? Why so?)

Race can hardly be called concrete if it can be destroyed so easily.

[Qenlia]

Ooo, I should be so proud to hold those genes - which I randomly got - that only differ external appearance!

They also affect intelligence, height, physical build, and susceptibility to a number of diseases.

Bold - Source?

Anyway, you still have not given me a reason to have pride in my skin.

[Panzerjaeger]

They also affect intelligence, height, physical build, and susceptibility to a number of diseases.

Bold - Source?

Anyway, you still have not given me a reason to have pride in my skin.

There is a known correlation between Biological Parents and their children's Intelligence. They did studies I can't remember the name of it now but where they monitored the Intelligence of Twins who were separated during adoptions and found they both had similar IQs to their Biological Mothers.

I should clarify that it would be genetics and not race that had an effect on IQ.

[Geniasis]

That system of classification is outdated and allows for far too many blurred boundaries. Races should be clearly defined without compromise.

So wait, you want to replace an "outdated" system with one that is not only far more obsolete, but also completely divorced from science and reality?

Yeah, no. Race isn't clearly defined. Do you know why? Because from a biological perspective, there's no significant difference between the one species: Homo sapiens.

That is your (misguided and completely incorrect) opinion. Those people who actually care to define themselves as part of a group, as most of humanity does, are harmed when their most concrete means of self definition is taken from them.

Tough shit. Racial identity is as arbitrary as basing my worth on the fact that I'm left-handed. Unless we want to play that game. I haven't fed my god complex in a while, so I'm up for it.

[Cobhanglica]

That is your (misguided and completely incorrect) opinion. Those people who actually care to define themselves as part of a group, as most of humanity does, are harmed when their most concrete means of self definition is taken from them.

(Oh? Why so?)

Race can hardly be called concrete if it can be destroyed so easily.

Once established in an individual at conception, race is immutable. The only way in which it can be destroyed is through repeated acts of indiscretion and stupidity on the part of the would-be parents of a race.

[New Kereptica]

There is a known correlation between Biological Parents and their children's Intelligence. They did studies I can't remember the name of it now but where they monitored the Intelligence of Twins who were separated during adoptions and found they both had similar IQs to their Biological Mothers.

Correlation between parents and the intelligence of the child is a far fucking cry from a causative relationship between race and intelligence.

[Panzerjaeger]

There is a known correlation between Biological Parents and their children's Intelligence. They did studies I can't remember the name of it now but where they monitored the Intelligence of Twins who were separated during adoptions and found they both had similar IQs to their Biological Mothers.

Correlation between parents and the intelligence of the child is a far fucking cry from a causative relationship between race and intelligence.

I never said it was. I said that there is a genetic influence on children in regards to intelligence but not a racial one.

[Miklesia]

(Oh? Why so?)

Race can hardly be called concrete if it can be destroyed so easily.

Once established in an individual at conception, race is immutable. The only way in which it can be destroyed is through repeated acts of indiscretion and stupidity on the part of the would-be parents of a race.

You must really hate your parents- and yourself.

[Aryan WNs]

The term would be more correct if it was called Aryan Pride.

They would still be Aryan. It does not matter if an Aryan was on the moon he/she would still be Aryan So I don't see what your point is.
Aryan Pride is closer to the truth than white pride, as I said before.

[New Kereptica]

Once established in an individual at conception, race is immutable. The only way in which it can be destroyed is through repeated acts of indiscretion and stupidity on the part of the would-be parents of a race.

Then indeed, one can hardly be said to have robbed an individual of racial identity, if it's immutable.

And really, you haven't said anything with regard to the importance of race aside from the fact that people tend to identify with it. That doesn't make it actually important, and it certainly doesn't make it stupid to demolish race.

Verily, to say that one has no racial identity if they don't fit into one of the pre-defined classes is sheer stupidity. If it's indeed genetic then, as I said before, race is a spectrum. Any attempts to make it "black and white", as it were, are folly. Merely having a different position on the racial spectrum than one's parents is no ground to say that the child's racial identity has been taken from them.

[New Kereptica]

I never said it was. I said that there is a genetic influence on children in regards to intelligence but not a racial one.

Bit of a non sequitur, your post was, then. They "they" in the post to which you were responding was referring to the contrived racial genes.

[Panzerjaeger]

I never said it was. I said that there is a genetic influence on children in regards to intelligence but not a racial one.

Bit of a non sequitur, your post was, then. They "they" in the post to which you were responding was referring to the contrived racial genes.

Aye I didn't read exactly what our bizarre WN friend was discussing I thought it was genetics which would at least make sense. I should not give him the benefit of the doubt again.

[Hammurab]

Once established in an individual at conception, race is immutable. The only way in which it can be destroyed is through repeated acts of indiscretion and stupidity on the part of the would-be parents of a race.

Then indeed, one can hardly be said to have robbed an individual of racial identity, if it's immutable.

And really, you haven't said anything with regard to the importance of race aside from the fact that people tend to identify with it. That doesn't make it actually important, and it certainly doesn't make it stupid to demolish race.

Verily, to say that one has no racial identity if they don't fit into one of the pre-defined classes is sheer stupidity. If it's indeed genetic then, as I said before, race is a spectrum. Any attempts to make it "black and white", as it were, are folly. Merely having a different position on the racial spectrum than one's parents is no ground to say that the child's racial identity has been taken from them.

Nonsense. Its important because people pretend its important, and they can't do without it because they become upset if they don't have it. Surely this is very sound reasoning...

After all, racial identity is...what was it they called it..."the most concrete basis for identity" or something like that.

That's why Andrew Wiles began his famous proof by saying "I am a white man."