Black Pride! (Yay.) Brown Pride! (Yay.) White Pride! (Punch)

[Panzerjaeger]

I expect to be able to live out my life in America. I do NOT wish to live in Africa, or in Mexico, or in Asia, or anywhere else but in America. Yet, if those people come here and replace American culture with their own, then I am having those places forced upon me.

Fun fact: Humans evolved out of Africa.

Facts have no bearing in this thread.

[Cobhanglica]

I expect to be able to live out my life in America. I do NOT wish to live in Africa, or in Mexico, or in Asia, or anywhere else but in America. Yet, if those people come here and replace American culture with their own, then I am having those places forced upon me.

Well umm dude let's just say that I agree with you..... America's like the best place for me too, but dude, immigrants just make everything more exciting. They don't force it on you, I mean, none of my Mexican friends force Mexicanness on me, and I don't force Asianness on my friends, and the rock music I listen to isn't white culture.

Immigrants bring horrible cultures that I don't want to have anything to do with.

[Arumdaum]

Yet you are a Mud People shouldn't you go back to Mexico or Iceland or some shit?

And this is why I hate muds. Mentally, I think and act white, and consider myself American. However, my genetic makeup is screwed up by racemixing, so technically I have no country. So, I'll just fight for America.

Umm, what state are you from?

Mentally, I think and act American, and I consider myself Korean-America. My genetic makeup isn't screwed because I don't give a shit about who my great-great-great-great-great grandparents were. And I don't fight, and I wouldn't care if I had a country or not. Ha. There.

[Offenheim]

Anybody listen to country music where you live Cobhanglica? If they do, you should warn them that they're listening to a music that partially originated with black people, and thus is "mud' music.

[Panzerjaeger]

Anybody listen to country music where you live Cobhanglica? If they do, you should warn them that they're listening to a music that partially originated with black people, and thus is "mud' music.

Rock is also mud music. In fact to protect you from the Mud Control Rays you should stop listening to music immediately.

[Arumdaum]

Well umm dude let's just say that I agree with you..... America's like the best place for me too, but dude, immigrants just make everything more exciting. They don't force it on you, I mean, none of my Mexican friends force Mexicanness on me, and I don't force Asianness on my friends, and the rock music I listen to isn't white culture.

Immigrants bring horrible cultures that I don't want to have anything to do with.

Eh, I think immigrant culture is exciting and awesome, so I guess that's just your opinion?

[Geniasis]

Yet you are a Mud Person.

Which is why I hate muds.

A question, if I may: Where, Cobhanglica, is your place in this "perfect world"? You are not white, at least not to Stormfront, and your beliefs of raical purity seem like they would preclude you from joining a "pure" race of the other parts of your ancestry. You hate "muds", yet you are one.

Where will you go?

[Nazi Flower Power]

I let this pass the last time it came up, but I have to agree with Laerod. Interwar Germany was not really and ethnic or racial thing. The shaming was for the nation, and it should be remembered that they got far better than Austria-Hungary which was chopped up into multiple nations (something Clemenceau called for for Germany). Germany wasn't mistreated because it was German, it was mistreated on a national scale because it remained the sole loser of the Great War. Entente terms were harsher than they should've been, and the Germans never got a chance to negotiate, plus Entente boots never marched into Germany. The Nazi Party didn't come to power completely on a German-superiority platform. In fact, it toned down its rhetoric for the elections, and was actually losing seats when von Papen convinced von Hindenburg to appoint Hitler chancellor as a way to control him. Once in power, the Nazis then committed atrocious acts against their nation's own people. Germans were always in control of Germany.

That's why I said a comparison between Germany and China would be more appropriate than Germany and African-Americans. If the whole thing was my argument started from scratch and not me speaking up for another poster, it would have been set up differently. However, someone else brought up German nationalism, and I felt that their post was unfairly dismissed. The post I was defending might not have been the most flawless argument of all time, but they made a good point that people with a legitimate grievance are still wrong if they overreact. Germans had legitimate grievances, but overreacted. Black people in the U.S. have legitimate grievances, but some of them overreact. Godwinning might not be the best way to make that point, but it's still a valid point.

One final note; NFP, segregation is now officially illegal. However, de facto segregation continues via the process of redlining and selective showing of houses (plus white flight) in terms of neighborhoods and the private-public school divide in terms of schooling.

Pretty sure most white people still go to public schools. I dunno... I could have missed something on account of going to public school and not having the privilege of a proper education befitting someone of my race.

The current situation justifies speaking out against discrimination, suing people or companies that practice illegal discrimination, etc., but it does not justify anything like Black Nationalism or Black Power any more than the Treaty of Versailles justifies the Holocaust or WWII. Only racist black people are still talking about "Black Power" or "Black Nationalism," as opposed to "diversity" or "multiculturalism" or "Civil Rights." Black Nationalism is an outdated ideology that serves no purpose but to divide people and spread hate.

[GeneralHaNor]

So beating all the other races at everything is nothing to be proud of?

And besides, that's not the point of white pride.

That is what you are supporting when you say, "White pride!"

You are saying, "Fuck yeah, genocide!"

You are saying, "Fuck yeah, colonize these bastards!"

You are saying, "Fuck yeah, destroy everything we can't profit from!"

That is something to be disgusted by, not proud of.

Take your Anti-White Moral Elitism and stick it deep up inside yourself

[Offenheim]

Anybody listen to country music where you live Cobhanglica? If they do, you should warn them that they're listening to a music that partially originated with black people, and thus is "mud' music.

Rock is also mud music. In fact to protect you from the Mud Control Rays you should stop listening to music immediately.

Polka is probably acceptable for the "master race". But if that's all you can listen to, I'd suggest hanging yourself. Also, I have a strong suspicion it will lead to the degradation of society.

[Wamitoria]

Rock is also mud music. In fact to protect you from the Mud Control Rays you should stop listening to music immediately.

He could listen to Classical and Renaissance music and not being affected.

That wholly depends on whether he thinks Mediterraneans are white.

[Arumdaum]

Rock is also mud music. In fact to protect you from the Mud Control Rays you should stop listening to music immediately.

He could listen to Classical and Renaissance music and not being affected.

Silly fool, don't you know that equal temperament is from China and trumpets from Egypt?

[Cobhanglica]

And this is why I hate muds. Mentally, I think and act white, and consider myself American. However, my genetic makeup is screwed up by racemixing, so technically I have no country. So, I'll just fight for America.

A country isn't defined by it's genes or races, but by the believes and spirit of the people who inhabit it along with the history of said nation.

No, genealogy is quite important. Genetic makeup is the only way that a nation can be firmly and clearly defined regardless what populations pass through its territory. Living on the land controlled by a nation does not make you part of that nation.

[GeneralHaNor]

Right and wrong are relative terms, and might is always the deciding factor.

So if I show up at your door with a minigun, it's totally okay if I steal your valuables, rape your females and murder you? After all, might is the deciding factor.

Could he stop you if you did?
That's the only point he is making.
right and wrong are values, Might is an absolute
This is true, regardless of how we "Feel" about it

[Offenheim]

I let this pass the last time it came up, but I have to agree with Laerod. Interwar Germany was not really and ethnic or racial thing. The shaming was for the nation, and it should be remembered that they got far better than Austria-Hungary which was chopped up into multiple nations (something Clemenceau called for for Germany). Germany wasn't mistreated because it was German, it was mistreated on a national scale because it remained the sole loser of the Great War. Entente terms were harsher than they should've been, and the Germans never got a chance to negotiate, plus Entente boots never marched into Germany. The Nazi Party didn't come to power completely on a German-superiority platform. In fact, it toned down its rhetoric for the elections, and was actually losing seats when von Papen convinced von Hindenburg to appoint Hitler chancellor as a way to control him. Once in power, the Nazis then committed atrocious acts against their nation's own people. Germans were always in control of Germany.

That's why I said a comparison between Germany and China would be more appropriate than Germany and African-Americans. If the whole thing was my argument started from scratch and not me speaking up for another poster, it would have been set up differently. However, someone else brought up German nationalism, and I felt that their post was unfairly dismissed. The post I was defending might not have been the most flawless argument of all time, but they made a good point that people with a legitimate grievance are still wrong if they overreact. Germans had legitimate grievances, but overreacted. Black people in the U.S. have legitimate grievances, but some of them overreact. Godwinning might not be the best way to make that point, but it's still a valid point.

Alright, I can see that.

One final note; NFP, segregation is now officially illegal. However, de facto segregation continues via the process of redlining and selective showing of houses (plus white flight) in terms of neighborhoods and the private-public school divide in terms of schooling.

Pretty sure most white people still go to public schools. I dunno... I could have missed something on account of going to public school and not having the privilege of a proper education befitting someone of my race.

The current situation justifies speaking out against discrimination, suing people or companies that practice illegal discrimination, etc., but it does not justify anything like Black Nationalism or Black Power any more than the Treaty of Versailles justifies the Holocaust or WWII. Only racist black people are still talking about "Black Power" or "Black Nationalism," as opposed to "diversity" or "multiculturalism" or "Civil Rights." Black Nationalism is an outdated ideology that serves no purpose but to divide people and spread hate.

Most white people do attend public schools, when they live in areas that are have been housed to be all white. In areas where schools had were integrated, there was a near-instantaneous arising of public schools which keep non-whites to a minimum. This is at least the historical pattern.

Within the black community, there's a sort of romanticizing of segregation in the terms that it at least gave black people some level of control over their own institutions. For instance, during integration (and I want to be clear, I'm defining desegregation as the least level of interracial contact possible, whereas integration is a high level of interracial contact) many black schools were shut down, removing them as cultural institutions for black communities. Students were shunted into schools where the heroes were all white, where the history was all white. This romanticizing is a pretty natural reaction when you consider that most public school systems are taught and run by predominantly white teachers and administrators, penalize non-white students at far greater numbers, and track non-whites into special education programs and lower tracks at disproportionate numbers. It doesn't make it right, and I don't believe it should happen. But criticisms of integrated public schooling by social scientists are pretty substantial.

[Offenheim]

Wait a second! Cobhanglica totally side-stepped the last few posts that have been directed at him! More than the last few! If he doesn't refute those arguments, then I believe he's tacitly admitted defeat!

[Nazi Flower Power]

Instead, that sort of commentary of "oh wow, we elected a black man president!" is the sort of commentary that proves how outside of the norm black culture is. And if a culture is in the norm, it is dominant.

That runs into problems if you apply it to a society with a real aristocracy. For example, in a feudal society, being a commoner is the norm, but the nobility is dominant.

The feudal society argument that doesn't really have anything to do with the present day U.S., but Cobhanglica seems to think it does, and that is why you aren't getting through to him.

Personally, I found the 2008 election coverage extremely irritating for reasons that are closer to yours than Cobhanglica's. I think the reporters were trying too hard to be PC and cover their racism, which only made the racism more obvious. It should have been, "Wow, so we just elected the first black president. That's pretty cool. Why do you think people chose him over McCain?" and then gone on to some kind of discussion with actual substance. Instead they just kept harping on what an incredible historic moment it was and how honored they felt to report on it.

Reporters...

[Cobhanglica]

No, genealogy is quite important. Genetic makeup is the only way that a nation can be firmly and clearly defined regardless what populations pass through its territory. Living on the land controlled by a nation does not make you part of that nation.

So if you go by that logic, then none of us besides pure bred Natives are not only not true American's but are not part of America at all.

The Natives are not American. They are the people that were conquered by America.

[Nazi Flower Power]

When you have a large population of blacks living side by side with a large population of whites within a single state, it's only natural when comparing intelligence quotient averages that the black population weighs down the state as a whole, whereas it would be much higher if the black population wasn't included at all.

Would you care to explain why Massachusetts (85.9% white) has a higher IQ than West Virginia (94.4% white)?

[Panzerjaeger]

When you have a large population of blacks living side by side with a large population of whites within a single state, it's only natural when comparing intelligence quotient averages that the black population weighs down the state as a whole, whereas it would be much higher if the black population wasn't included at all.

Would you care to explain why Massachusetts (85.9% white) has a higher IQ than West Virginia (94.4% white)?

One simple word...inbreeding.

[The Black Forrest]

A country isn't defined by it's genes or races, but by the believes and spirit of the people who inhabit it along with the history of said nation.

No, genealogy is quite important. Genetic makeup is the only way that a nation can be firmly and clearly defined regardless what populations pass through its territory. Living on the land controlled by a nation does not make you part of that nation.

That only works if the population has been completely isolated.

There are no "pure" races. There are no "races".

Considering your mixed heritage, you should understand that.

[Panzerjaeger]

No, genealogy is quite important. Genetic makeup is the only way that a nation can be firmly and clearly defined regardless what populations pass through its territory. Living on the land controlled by a nation does not make you part of that nation.

That only works if the population has been completely isolated.

There are no "pure" races. There are no "races".

Considering your mixed heritage, you should understand that.

"Race? It is a feeling, not a reality. Nothing will ever make me believe that biologically pure races can be shown to exist today." -Il Duce

[The Black Forrest]

So if you go by that logic, then none of us besides pure bred Natives are not only not true American's but are not part of America at all.

The Natives are not American. They are the people that were conquered by America.

Yea that's why they are the Native Americans.

Slept thought that class as well?

[Nazi Flower Power]

Yet you are a Mud People shouldn't you go back to Mexico or Iceland or some shit?

And this is why I hate muds. Mentally, I think and act white, and consider myself American. However, my genetic makeup is screwed up by racemixing, so technically I have no country. So, I'll just fight for America.

You talk about it like your race is a disease when the only real disease you have is a massive inferiority complex.

[Nazi Flower Power]

Immigrants bring horrible cultures that I don't want to have anything to do with.

Does that mean you don't like pad thai??? You're not human!!!