Black Pride! (Yay.) Brown Pride! (Yay.) White Pride! (Punch)

[Nazi Flower Power]

Lamarckian evolution.

Really? I just pushed B whenever I tried to evolve.

Sometimes you can learn better moves by waiting to evolve.

[Nazi Flower Power]

Or not being the majority anymore will mean it's our turn to be different and exciting.

The majority can't be exciting?

Bah, excitement is overrated anyway.

The majority can be pretty cool, but there's not the novelty factor.

[New Ziedrich]

This god damn thread, honestly. I need to go rent Die Hard: With a Vengeance now, seriously.

[Miklesia]

This god damn thread, honestly. I need to go rent Die Hard: With a Vengeance now, seriously.

Pardon?

[Panzerjaeger]

This god damn thread, honestly. I need to go rent Die Hard: With a Vengeance now, seriously.

Yippy ki yay Motherfucker!

[Jesselbania]

White man was an asshole and owned black people. Black people just want some rights. I dont think it's right to be 'proud' of any race, They try to say we are the same, but are proud to be different. I also don't think what you are saying is right...

Excuse me there. Don't think you can get away with pointing the finger at whites and calling us the only slavers. Blacks had slaves a lot longer than we did (still do); and Asians before them. Try the poor black man routine somewhere else. I'm sick of seeing this 'I'm just a poor slave' mentality. Slavery came to an end in 1865. It's 145 years of freedom for blacks and they're still whining. I would have freed them and paid their way back home.

I'm also sick of seeing immigrant hordes colonizing wherever they land. No European Heritage country is immune; and the cost to us is intolerable. Why are we taking in strays? To line the pockets of the Bankers and Corporations, and corporate investors.
Excuse me there. One thing, I'm white. Second, Y'ever heard of the melting pot?
Do me a favor all of you...get off your ass and take a look around your house at items you own.

You will be lucky to find anything in your house made in OUR countries because the bastards that run them would rather have Foreigners do our work Home and Abroad. Even the Made in (White Country here) Label doesn't mean much anymore with Foreigners doing the work. Whites have been sold a bill of tainted goods that will only change by us forcing change.

Excuse me there. One thing, I'm white. Second, Y'ever heard of the melting pot? Third, What the fuck? All you base you're argument off of is stereotypes.

And... 'paid their way back home' they did that, But a lot of the blacks had ancestors born in America, and had no idea what african culture was like, all they knew was America, That'd be like taking you... and putting you in the middle of India.

You sound like one of those militia mofos who think the end of the world is coming.

If you would have read what I said... I dont think they should neccesarily be proud of their color.

Asshole.

[Offenheim]

I personally see little evidence of the cultural marginalization of whiteness; to me, white culture is evidently dominant. If it wasn't, no one would've remarked that Obama's election was the first time that a black man had been elected President.

No, that's evidence of white guilt.

I don't see how.

[Nazi Flower Power]

Excuse me there. One thing, I'm white. Second, Y'ever heard of the melting pot? Third, What the fuck? All you base you're argument off of is stereotypes.

And... 'paid their way back home' they did that, But a lot of the blacks had ancestors born in America, and had no idea what african culture was like, all they knew was America, That'd be like taking you... and putting you in the middle of India.

You sound like one of those militia mofos who think the end of the world is coming.

If you would have read what I said... I dont think they should neccesarily be proud of their color.

Asshole.

He's a white supremacist, but don't flame him.

[Nazi Flower Power]

No, that's evidence of white guilt.

I don't see how.

No one else does either. Apparently we don't have superior intellect necessary to follow his logic.

[The Congregationists]

I refer you to my sig.

[Utvara]

White pride tends to be about saying you're better than others

Minority pride is about saying you're not ashamed of who you are.

Short explanation is short.

All that needs to be said in this unimaginative troll thread.

[Nazi Flower Power]

The term would be more correct if it was called Aryan Pride.

That would include people from India and Iran. Still want Aryan Pride?

[Offenheim]

Oh, yes, because the situations of the African-Americans and Germans were sooo similar.

They were more similar than most people in the Allied countries would like to admit. A better comparison would Germany and a country like China that was semi-colonized by Europe, but the fact is that Germany was genuinely mistreated by the rest of Europe and had legitimate reasons to be angry. They did not have any legitimate reason to target Jews or build death camps, but honestly, they did have a reason to be angry with the rest of Europe, and people do stupid things when they're angry.

Anyway, we all know Nazism is not cool, but "Black Power" isn't cool either. Luckily, we got rid of segregation and the majority of blacks calmed down without having a war about it.

I let this pass the last time it came up, but I have to agree with Laerod. Interwar Germany was not really and ethnic or racial thing. The shaming was for the nation, and it should be remembered that they got far better than Austria-Hungary which was chopped up into multiple nations (something Clemenceau called for for Germany). Germany wasn't mistreated because it was German, it was mistreated on a national scale because it remained the sole loser of the Great War. Entente terms were harsher than they should've been, and the Germans never got a chance to negotiate, plus Entente boots never marched into Germany. The Nazi Party didn't come to power completely on a German-superiority platform. In fact, it toned down its rhetoric for the elections, and was actually losing seats when von Papen convinced von Hindenburg to appoint Hitler chancellor as a way to control him. Once in power, the Nazis then committed atrocious acts against their nation's own people. Germans were always in control of Germany. The situation was poor for continuing the war. In fact, the genocide committed by Germany in this time period really shocked the Western World, which had previously thought of the Germans as the most advanced and civilized people on Earth. That shock is one of the roots of postmodernism.

The Black Power Movement meanwhile seeks to empower a group of people who have been dispossessed by force from their homelands, losing all history and personal sovereignty in the process. Black Nationalism, the idea of providing a separate nation for blacks within the United States looks to provide property and land for blacks who were denied that land when the ideology arose. My point is that the two ideologies, Nazism coming out of Interwar Germany and Black Nationalism out of Jim Crow America; are dissimilar, because one is an ideology that comes out of an empowered majority and the other comes out of a oppressed minority.

One final note; NFP, segregation is now officially illegal. However, de facto segregation continues via the process of redlining and selective showing of houses (plus white flight) in terms of neighborhoods and the private-public school divide in terms of schooling.

[Panzerjaeger]

The term would be more correct if it was called Aryan Pride.

That would include people from India and Iran. Still want Aryan Pride?

Indian and Persian Women FTW!

[Offenheim]

So when were you discriminated against purely on the basis of your skin colour again?

When last has a black man, nay anybody been a slave in the US?

Official chattel slavery ended in 1865... I think, I don't know the exact date.

Vagrancy laws which were passed in the Jim Crow South existed until the CRA. These were laws which allowed authorities to arrest black people who were not working and force them to work. Their labor was auctioned off on auction blocks.

Similar laws function today, with prisons being a prime example of forced labor.

It's not slavery, but then it's not free labor either.

[Cobhanglica]

No, that's evidence of white guilt.

I don't see how.

People felt that electing a black President was another step towards atonement for evils committed by the white race against the black race in the past.

[New Kereptica]

People felt that electing a black President was another step towards atonement for evils committed by the white race against the black race in the past.

Source?

[Offenheim]

I don't see how.

People felt that electing a black President was another step towards atonement for evils committed by the white race against the black race in the past.

Some people voted for him because he was Democrat. Other because he was not a Republican. Others because they liked the words that came out of his mouth. Others because they believed his promises.

Those who voted for him because of white guilt definitely have white guilt responsible. My point is that if the cultural marginalization of whites was true, there would've been little commentary on having elected a black man president. The cultural dominance of another race would've come through. So if black culture was dominant, it would have been something along the lines of "Regular guy elected president."

Instead, that sort of commentary of "oh wow, we elected a black man president!" is the sort of commentary that proves how outside of the norm black culture is. And if a culture is in the norm, it is dominant.

[Forster Keys]

I don't see how.

People felt that electing a black President was another step towards atonement for evils committed by the white race against the black race in the past.

Maybe they just liked his policies and were tired of George Bush as well...

[Cobhanglica]

People felt that electing a black President was another step towards atonement for evils committed by the white race against the black race in the past.

Some people voted for him because he was Democrat. Other because he was not a Republican. Others because they liked the words that came out of his mouth. Others because they believed his promises.

Those who voted for him because of white guilt definitely have white guilt responsible. My point is that if the cultural marginalization of whites was true, there would've been little commentary on having elected a black man president. The cultural dominance of another race would've come through. So if black culture was dominant, it would have been something along the lines of "Regular guy elected president."

Instead, that sort of commentary of "oh wow, we elected a black man president!" is the sort of commentary that proves how outside of the norm black culture is. And if a culture is in the norm, it is dominant.

And the commentary on the election of a black man for president demonstrates the existence of white guilt because it is an event often described as a giant step forward for America, as if whites have some kind of obligation to put a black in the White House.

[New Ziedrich]

This god damn thread, honestly. I need to go rent Die Hard: With a Vengeance now, seriously.

Pardon?

Some people insist on trying to fill that sieve; different people wearing the same stripes have been doing it for decades. Crap just doesn't end, and the sieve never fills; it's impossible, thankfully.

I did mention that specific Die Hard movie for a good reason, though.

[New Kereptica]

And the commentary on the election of a black man for president demonstrates the existence of white guilt because it is an event often described as a giant step forward for America, as if whites have some kind of obligation to put a black in the White House.

What they have an obligation to do is elect people on their merit. To say that this has strictly been the case in the previous 43 presidencies would be to say that whites are the most merited, which is racism by definition. Thus, then, it must be the case that the previous 43 presidents were not selected solely based on their merits. Electing a black man, then, indicates that the trend of electing only whites without strict adherence to their merits has been subverted to a degree, thereby indicating improvement.

[Geniasis]

And the commentary on the election of a black man for president demonstrates the existence of white guilt because it is an event often described as a giant step forward for America, as if whites have some kind of obligation to put a black in the White House.

It's more of a reflection on the fact that at one time, it would have been impossible for him to be President for no other reason than the color of his skin. That a black man became President is a step forward for us because it shows that we don't elect based on skin color, but on merit*.

*Presumably. At the very least for qualities that aren't accidents of birth**
**Apart from gender anyway.

[Ryadn]

If you do a properly controlled study, the difference between blacks and whites isn't significant either.

When you have a large population of blacks living side by side with a large population of whites within a single state, it's only natural when comparing intelligence quotient averages that the black population weighs down the state as a whole, whereas it would be much higher if the black population wasn't included at all. Notice Texas is much higher on the list whereas it's population isn't nearly as heavily condensed with blacks as other southern states in the east. But at the same time, it does have a high population of latinos, which would also weigh the state down. After all this is considered, it becomes blatantly obvious that any other difference in state average IQ is trivial.

You know what else has a funny correlation? Lack of education and racism. Also being a dick. Scientists are still trying to figure out where fucking your sister comes into the equation, but it can't be good to concentrate those genes, right?

[Offenheim]

Some people voted for him because he was Democrat. Other because he was not a Republican. Others because they liked the words that came out of his mouth. Others because they believed his promises.

Those who voted for him because of white guilt definitely have white guilt responsible. My point is that if the cultural marginalization of whites was true, there would've been little commentary on having elected a black man president. The cultural dominance of another race would've come through. So if black culture was dominant, it would have been something along the lines of "Regular guy elected president."

Instead, that sort of commentary of "oh wow, we elected a black man president!" is the sort of commentary that proves how outside of the norm black culture is. And if a culture is in the norm, it is dominant.

And the commentary on the election of a black man for president demonstrates the existence of white guilt because it is an event often described as a giant step forward for America, as if whites have some kind of obligation to put a black in the White House.

You're inferring the idea of obligation. You're transferring your own beliefs onto a conversation about progress. Lot's of people do this. Whites for instance, often have a discourse of "well, black people don't want to integrate." Yet when social scientists do qualitative interviews of black and white people people, they discover that in fact, the ideal integration for black people is a 50-50 mix, whereas for white people its more like 90-10 in favor of whites. Anything over, and they tend to get uncomfortable.

It's not that we have an obligation to do so, it's that we did so. It's a mark of how far society has changed where racial superiority of whites is not a given in national discourse. 100 years ago, it would've been unthinkable for a black man to be elected president. 65 years ago it still would have been. To infer that this kind of progress-checking is all due to white guilt is demeaning to whites. I was going to put "your fellow whites," but, oh, yeah.

I suppose if I remarked on how great it is that a Catholic could be elected president in 1960, you would've called that Protestant guilt? Or how great it is to live in a land that descendant of Welshmen could be elected president (Garfield), you would've called that English guilt?

My god, sir, what a low opinion you must hold of white people.