Black Pride! (Yay.) Brown Pride! (Yay.) White Pride! (Punch)

[GeneralHaNor]

Claiming pride in one's racial heritage is not an endorsement for or against institutionalized racism
If it that is true of minority pride, then it's true of white pride
You can't claim one standard for one group, and another for another
That would be racist.

You're confusing the issue. White pride is not the equivalent of black pride or gay pride. It is something completely different.

Why, because you say so?, because they happen to be a majority?
Claims need to be backed
For every example of White Pride turned White Superiority, I can find an equivalent example in any racial group

[Hathradic States]

Claiming pride in one's racial heritage is not an endorsement for or against institutionalized racism
If it that is true of minority pride, then it's true of white pride
You can't claim one standard for one group, and another for another
That would be racist.

You're confusing the issue. White pride is not the equivalent of black pride or gay pride. It is something completely different.

I just see it as being proud of what you are. Though, personally, I find pride based upon color of ones skin pathetic. I prefer pride to be based on national heritige.

I am not proud to be white, I am proud to be American, and damn proud of my German blood line.

[Laerod]

It’s called a hate crime when whites distribute literature LIKE THIS

Never judge a book by its cover. What's it say in that?

[Laerod]

I just see it as being proud of what you are.

Then take a look at the origins of the black pride and gay pride movements and compare them to the origins and motivation of the white pride movement. Also compare who comprises the people that make up the movement.

[Hathradic States]

I just see it as being proud of what you are.

Then take a look at the origins of the black pride and gay pride movements and compare them to the origins and motivation of the white pride movement. Also compare who comprises the people that make up the movement.

You have radicals on every side of every arguement. You know that, ja?

I would bet money that for every white racist you have one black racist, and one Hispanic racist, and one Asian racist, and so on and so forth.

[Laerod]

You have radicals on every side of every arguement. You know that, ja?

Which means what exactly? That you haven't done as you were asked?

I would bet money that for every white racist you have one black racist, and one Hispanic racist, and one Asian racist, and so on and so forth.

And I'll take you up on it. Prove your bold statement.

[Hathradic States]

You have radicals on every side of every arguement. You know that, ja?

Which means what exactly? That you haven't done as you were asked?

Dude, it is 0230, cut me some slack...I now cannot remember what I was asked...shit...

I would bet money that for every white racist you have one black racist, and one Hispanic racist, and one Asian racist, and so on and so forth.

And I'll take you up on it. Prove your bold statement.

Okay, give me access to the thoughts of every human being in the world and a Grey Eagle scratch pad. Oh, and about fifty thousand cups of coffee, this might take a while.

[Laerod]

Dude, it is 0230, cut me some slack...I now cannot remember what I was asked...shit...

There's a real simple solution to that: Scroll up and read what was written above.

Okay, give me access to the thoughts of every human being in the world and a Grey Eagle scratch pad. Oh, and about fifty thousand cups of coffee, this might take a while.

Don't make bets you can't win then.

[Hathradic States]

Dude, it is 0230, cut me some slack...I now cannot remember what I was asked...shit...

There's a real simple solution to that: Scroll up and read what was written above.

Dear gods, I am losing it...

Basically what I have for origins of all pride movements is "we are different than other people and proud of it"

Okay, give me access to the thoughts of every human being in the world and a Grey Eagle scratch pad. Oh, and about fifty thousand cups of coffee, this might take a while.

Don't make bets you can't win then.

Oh, I'll win my bet, just give me what I asked for.

[Laerod]

:palm: Dear gods, I am losing it...

Basically what I have for origins of all pride movements is "we are different than other people and proud of it"

May I suggest actually looking them up?

Oh, I'll win my bet, just give me what I asked for.

"I'd win my bet if I could do the impossible" is not proof of your claim.

[Hathradic States]

Dear gods, I am losing it...

Basically what I have for origins of all pride movements is "we are different than other people and proud of it"

May I suggest actually looking them up?

You may. It isn't going to do you any good until tomorrow, but you may.

Oh, I'll win my bet, just give me what I asked for.

"I'd win my bet if I could do the impossible" is not proof of your claim.

It also isn't dis-proof (I'm not sure if that is even a word)

Regadless, it is impossible to do that because most people would lie. Humans are liars, they don't want to look bad.

[Laerod]

It also isn't dis-proof (I'm not sure if that is even a word)

Regadless, it is impossible to do that because most people would lie. Humans are liars, they don't want to look bad.

You make the claim, it's on you to prove it. Claiming something you can't prove to be true and then treating it as such is a tautology.

[Hathradic States]

It also isn't dis-proof (I'm not sure if that is even a word)

Regadless, it is impossible to do that because most people would lie. Humans are liars, they don't want to look bad.

You make the claim, it's on you to prove it. Claiming something you can't prove to be true and then treating it as such is a tautology.

Uh...wait...what?

I'll come back here later today...after coffee...maybe I'll be awake enough to do this arguement justice.

[Geniasis]

There's a real simple solution to that: Scroll up and read what was written above.

Dear gods, I am losing it...

Basically what I have for origins of all pride movements is "we are different than other people and proud of it"

Then you have it wrong. These movements begin when one group says, "X trait makes you of less worth than us" and so these "X pride" movements are created as a response to celebrate pride in X. Not because X makes them better, but to show that there's nothing in X to be ashamed of.

The problem with white pride is that it's attempting to assert that same rejection of shame... with the caveat being that there's no shame to reject in the first place. At best it's superfluous and at worst, it's racist.

[Hathradic States]

Dear gods, I am losing it...

Basically what I have for origins of all pride movements is "we are different than other people and proud of it"

Then you have it wrong. These movements begin when one group says, "X trait makes you of less worth than us" and so these "X pride" movements are created as a response to celebrate pride in X. Not because X makes them better, but to show that there's nothing in X to be ashamed of.

The problem with white pride is that it's attempting to assert that same rejection of shame... with the caveat being that there's no shame to reject in the first place. At best it's superfluous and at worst, it's racist.

Okay, so I think I understand...

If I am proud that I am white, I am a racist
If I am proud that I am a man, I am sexist
If I am proud that I am heterosexual, I am a homophobe (please correct my spelling on that)

Right?

[Laerod]

Okay, so I think I understand...

If I am proud that I am white, I am a racist
If I am proud that I am a man, I am sexist
If I am proud that I am heterosexual, I am a homophobe (please correct my spelling on that)

Right?

We are referring to very specific movements here. If you're having trouble following the debate, go to bed and come back to it once you've had coffee. You're not doing anyone a favor if you don't.

[Hathradic States]

Okay, so I think I understand...

If I am proud that I am white, I am a racist
If I am proud that I am a man, I am sexist
If I am proud that I am heterosexual, I am a homophobe (please correct my spelling on that)

Right?

We are referring to very specific movements here. If you're having trouble following the debate, go to bed and come back to it once you've had coffee. You're not doing anyone a favor if you don't.

Sorry, I'll go...you are right, I'm not being my usual good (if rather cynical) debater.

Though I think I'll skip sleep...PT in two hours...

[Reichskommissariat ost]

Then you have it wrong. These movements begin when one group says, "X trait makes you of less worth than us" and so these "X pride" movements are created as a response to celebrate pride in X. Not because X makes them better, but to show that there's nothing in X to be ashamed of.

The problem with white pride is that it's attempting to assert that same rejection of shame... with the caveat being that there's no shame to reject in the first place. At best it's superfluous and at worst, it's racist
Okay, so I think I understand...

If I am proud that I am white, I am a racist
If I am proud that I am a man, I am sexist
If I am proud that I am heterosexual, I am a homophobe (please correct my spelling on that).

Thats basically it, the most discriminated people are middle aged straight white men.

[Hathradic States]

Okay, so I think I understand...

If I am proud that I am white, I am a racist
If I am proud that I am a man, I am sexist
If I am proud that I am heterosexual, I am a homophobe (please correct my spelling on that).

Thats basically it, the most discriminated people are middle aged straight white men.

How would I know? I am only those last three.

[Unchecked Expansion]

Thats basically it, the most discriminated people are middle aged straight white men.

They're most discriminated against because they lack the discrimination which other people protest against?

[Reichskommissariat ost]

Thats basically it, the most discriminated people are middle aged straight white men.

They're most discriminated against because they lack the discrimination which other people protest against?

Theres no discrimination , only the whining of liberals. If a white man fires black person , black can sue him etc. If white is being fired by a black person he cant do anything. If a white person beats a black its considered as a hate crime if a black beats a white its just a crime.

[Unchecked Expansion]

They're most discriminated against because they lack the discrimination which other people protest against?

Theres no discrimination , only the whining of liberals. If a white man fires black person , black can sue him etc. If white is being fired by a black person he cant do anything. If a white person beats a black its considered as a hate crime if a black beats a white its just a crime.

So if there's no discrimination, how are white heterosexual males the most discriminated against?

[Laerod]

They're most discriminated against because they lack the discrimination which other people protest against?

Theres no discrimination , only the whining of liberals. If a white man fires black person , black can sue him etc. If white is being fired by a black person he cant do anything. If a white person beats a black its considered as a hate crime if a black beats a white its just a crime.

Prove it. Else it's just the whining of your own.

[Aryan WNs]

Yes a source to back up the figures you are claiming. Here is a source that agrees with you http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_people_did_Hitler_kill_in_World_War_2
I am quoting this little gem "between 15 and 17 million deaths, mostly in concentration camps by burning them to death in groups.” Burning 15-17 million people would take years, not half a decade. 15-17 million people's ashes would account for scores of tonnes of ashes, do you really think that burning all those people is even possible in 6 years. That could be up to 1.5 million people burned a year.
I do not doubt that people died in camps that Hitler put them in.
No not all Blacks that were lynched committed rapes, some murders, some were highwaymen etc, and of course some, not even a high minority though, were innocent. They were innocent though wrongly being identified, or maybe the lynch mobs thought that we can't find the real rapist so we shall just lynch another Black.

If you still don't believe me do some research on black on white crime, especially regarding rape:
http://www.davidduke.com/general/the-racial-murder-and-rape-of-white-women-in-america_3555.html
For the year of 2005 it was reported that blacks had committed 37,460 rapes or sexual assaults against White women. Furthermore most authorities believe that the actual figure is twice that high, not every woman who is rapped reports it, or is able to report it.

Of course I could be wrong and that in the olden days blacks didn’t rape anyone at all and it was only recently that blacks had been taught how to rape

So you have scoffed like one of those 'so called intellectuals' that are much smarter than an inbred wacist but you have not given any sources.

Your "source" is David Duke (white nationalist, white supremacist, former Grand Wizard of the KKK, Nazi wanna-be, Holocaust denier, anti-Semite, 9/11 conspiracy theorist, supporter of Stormfront, who has ties to Islamic terrorists and terrorist states, and convicted felon who spent 15 months in federal prison pursuant to a plea bargain in which he pled guilty to charges of filing a false tax return and mail fraud) making racist shit up based on another Duke article citing a non-functioning link to ALTERED data cherry-picked out-of-context from two lines of one page of a 38-page document reporting one year (2005) of an annual crime survey. (Your "most authorities believe" line is a flat out fiction -- if not a deliberate lie. Rape is underreported, but there is no reason to believe black-on-white rape is more underreported. To the contrary, blacks are less likely to report being rape victims than whites.)

And even that hand-picked data shows that over 2/3 of rapes of white women are committed by whites or non-blacks. Other years have shown different rates of rape of blacks by whites. Duke deliberately picked an anomalous year. Over the last 20 years, blacks have overwhelming been victimized by crime, including rape, at higher rates than whites. See, e.g., http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv08.pdf; http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv07.pdf; http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvus95.pdf; http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/bvvc.pdf; http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv06.pdf; http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/fvv.pdf; http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/vvr98.pdf.

And you have the chutzpah to brag about your use of sources?

David Duke an anti-Semite? He doesn't hate Arabs, he doesn’t even hate all Jews, he is against Zionists. Watch his videos and check out his sources, some of them include books by Jews admitting to Zionism, or even against Zionism.
Ties to Islamic extremists, and terrorist states? Any source to that? If so what kind of tie? A neck tie maybe?
Went to jail for 15 months and was part of the KKK, I thought that left-wing politics is all about being forgiving and letting people have another chance, that’s why rapists only get 4 years and child molesters get 'rehabilitated' or does that only apply to fellow left wingers or anyone else that can be used for the 'liberal' scheme?
How is 'my line' that "most authorities believe" while what you say is true?
I don't doubt that blacks are more likely to be victimised by crime, I am not disputing that fact, and most crime is Black on Black. While whites tend to live in a mostly White or middle class area and you will find that there is a lot less violent and serious violent crime in these areas compared to Black areas. To back this up I will use your source "76% of black victims were victimized by an offender of the same race, 1993-98 (when the race of the offender was known)"
My data showed that 1/3 of all reported rapes on white women were committed by blacks, that leaves the 2/3 of the other reported rapes on white women done by four other races, White, Hispanic, Asian and native Indian. So that is one whole race which is responsible for the rape of 1/3 of all reported rapes of another race.
This is in correlation with an earlier post which I said that Blacks were lynched because they had committed a crime instead of a racist attack that would happen whenever whites got bored. In fact more Whites got lynched than Blacks, lynching was done because someone had committed a crime like rape, murder, or being a highwayman.

[Aryan WNs]

Theres no discrimination , only the whining of liberals. If a white man fires black person , black can sue him etc. If white is being fired by a black person he cant do anything. If a white person beats a black its considered as a hate crime if a black beats a white its just a crime.

So if there's no discrimination, how are white heterosexual males the most discriminated against?

They don't get hit on when they walk into a gay bar http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTN6Du3MCgI