by Serguls_Haven » Fri Oct 01, 2010 7:38 pm
by Brandenburg-Altmark » Fri Oct 01, 2010 7:41 pm
by South Norwega » Fri Oct 01, 2010 7:43 pm
Serguls_Haven wrote:We are a very young nation
by DEFCON-1 » Fri Oct 01, 2010 7:44 pm
Serguls_Haven wrote:I am a U.S. American who has pretty much come to the conclusion that to be a U.S. American, or rather, to accept the fact that you -are- a U.S. American, is to accept the shame and guilt that comes with it. The United States, of course, is probably one of the worst institutional, religious and culturally inane places on the map, but I'm not saying that its all bad.
by Lackadaisical2 » Fri Oct 01, 2010 7:48 pm
Serguls_Haven wrote:I am a U.S. American who has pretty much come to the conclusion that to be a U.S. American, or rather, to accept the fact that you -are- a U.S. American, is to accept the shame and guilt that comes with it. The United States, of course, is probably one of the worst institutional, religious and culturally inane places on the map, but I'm not saying that its all bad.
What I am saying, however, that as a non-Tea Party, non-Christian, Non-political party-following-junky is that a lot of the United States' issues arise from actually a troubling and terribly deep insecurity about our identity as a people. We are a very young nation, started by the immigrants that were pretty much not wanted in their original countries,
and when we came to the soil that is now the United States, we destroyed first the original cultures that were here (the Native Americans), followed by an outright retaliation of anything related to the Crown (American Revolutionary War), and then in-fighting between our own people over what this country "ought" to be (Civil War).... and after all of that, what we were left with was a broken identity that has never quite recovered. Now, before you bark at me that the United States has a culture, let me explain myself.
The term I am using to describe culture is "the customary beliefs, social forms, and material traits of a racial, religious, or social group", as taken from the Merriam-Webster Dictionary. The problem with the United States is that as a country, we don't have ancestral roots to an older culture except by those that were brought from abroad.
And those cultures, whether they are Irish, African, Jewish, Chinese or Japanese, have all been persecuted at some point in the U.S., to the point that they have been utterly subdued (Slavery, Internment Camps). But every culture needs an identity, and when the country was struggling to make some sort of tie between so many people, only one thing seemed to ring true for everyone: money. The Industrial Revolution is when it really started, at least in my opinion.
This is where my trouble with the Capitalism argument comes in. I don't necessarily agree with the capitalistic model, however, I am also wondering what would really be left in "American" culture if you took away its capitalism. Capitalism IS American Culture, with the exception of a few groups that have specific culture (New York, New Jersey, The South, etc).
The only other thing that U.S. Americans would have to define themselves if Capitalism was out of the picture is their red, white and blue patriotism, which, as of late, has also been bringing great shame to me.
Currently, I am dating a Canadian, and living in Japan on study abroad, and every day, a little more of me is depressed by the America that is depicted not just by the world (which is warranted, but still hurtful), but also its own citizens. We are not a country of "people", but a country of individuals who struggle daily to figure out how we fit into this contrived sense of culture.
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by Panzerjaeger » Fri Oct 01, 2010 7:50 pm
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by Hassett » Fri Oct 01, 2010 7:51 pm
by Buffett and Colbert » Fri Oct 01, 2010 7:54 pm
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by Plutonium Blondes » Fri Oct 01, 2010 7:54 pm
Serguls_Haven wrote:IThe problem with the United States is that as a country, we don't have ancestral roots to an older culture except by those that were brought from abroad. And those cultures, whether they are Irish, African, Jewish, Chinese or Japanese, have all been persecuted at some point in the U.S., to the point that they have been utterly subdued (Slavery, Internment Camps). But every culture needs an identity, and when the country was struggling to make some sort of tie between so many people, only one thing seemed to ring true for everyone: money. The Industrial Revolution is when it really started, at least in my opinion.
This is where my trouble with the Capitalism argument comes in. I don't necessarily agree with the capitalistic model, however, I am also wondering what would really be left in "American" culture if you took away its capitalism. Capitalism IS American Culture, with the exception of a few groups that have specific culture (New York, New Jersey, The South, etc). The only other thing that U.S. Americans would have to define themselves if Capitalism was out of the picture is their red, white and blue patriotism, which, as of late, has also been bringing great shame to me.
by Sailsia » Fri Oct 01, 2010 8:00 pm
Hassett wrote:Still the best country in the world.
by Maxedon » Fri Oct 01, 2010 8:05 pm
Hassett wrote:Still the best country in the world.
HomeLand Safety wrote:Fuck all of you your all a bunch of fucking liberal hippies, you think that the nation should be tolerant of it...well there is a certain point when things should be fucking controlled...Ground Zero is a place where people lost there lives..to a twisted Muslim who wont leave us the fuck alone...they think its a fucking holy war killing innocent civilians...blowing up the nation who is trying to help them...So yes its "One Nation Under God, Not Allah" So fuck you and your damn liberal views...
by Serguls_Haven » Fri Oct 01, 2010 8:15 pm
Sailsia wrote:Hassett wrote:Still the best country in the world.
Exactly. The irony is that even though the world thinks America is so evil, it it STILL the best nation in the world. Its our lack of culture that makes us strong. Culture be damned. It's one of the only things holding people back. Just today I heard someone say that a major reason why people don't leave the ghetto is because they would feel like they're deserting their family. That's a cultural trait, the value of ones family and THEIR happiness over ones' OWN happiness. The US is still free, maybe less than pre-9/11, but WAY more free than 1943, or even 1960.
by Serguls_Haven » Fri Oct 01, 2010 8:16 pm
Panzerjaeger wrote:Ah Anti-American thread where have you been hiding at? Behind the skirt of, "Gays ruin everything!!!"?
by Lackadaisical2 » Fri Oct 01, 2010 8:16 pm
Serguls_Haven wrote:Sailsia wrote:Exactly. The irony is that even though the world thinks America is so evil, it it STILL the best nation in the world. Its our lack of culture that makes us strong. Culture be damned. It's one of the only things holding people back. Just today I heard someone say that a major reason why people don't leave the ghetto is because they would feel like they're deserting their family. That's a cultural trait, the value of ones family and THEIR happiness over ones' OWN happiness. The US is still free, maybe less than pre-9/11, but WAY more free than 1943, or even 1960.
Thanks for your comment. The thing is, I don't hate America. I wasn't trying to say that. And I do think America is one of the best countries out there. It has major issues, but every country has major issues. My problem is that now that I am living an "international" lifestyle, people look at ME directly and say "what's wrong with YOUR country." It's hard, when I'm not allowed to speak as an individual and instead as a bulletin board for the U.S. as a whole. Because there's no way to defend us as a "people".
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by Sierra Lobo » Fri Oct 01, 2010 8:17 pm
by Serguls_Haven » Fri Oct 01, 2010 8:22 pm
Lackadaisical2 wrote:Tell them to shove it? I thought the Japanese were supposed to be polite.
by Jingoist Hippostan » Fri Oct 01, 2010 8:24 pm
by Public Solutions Inc » Fri Oct 01, 2010 8:25 pm
by Lackadaisical2 » Fri Oct 01, 2010 8:27 pm
Serguls_Haven wrote:Lackadaisical2 wrote:Tell them to shove it? I thought the Japanese were supposed to be polite.
They are polite.... kinda. In that "we actually think you're idiots" way- but really only when it comes to politics. I'm taking an accounting class where the sole intent is to show why the Japanese business model is so great (it isn't), by using the American business model as an example.
And my friend, also from the U.S., keeps getting harassed by European students who have been following the U.S. news lately.
I suppose my U.S. view is also compounded by the fact that I'm a white female, and at my community college, I was a constant target for reverse racism. (These people using the "facts" that because I am white, I am therefore rich and entitled, and also, that because I am white, I hate Native Americans and/or Mexicans/Latinos)
The Republic of Lanos wrote:Proud member of the Vile Right-Wing Noodle Combat Division of the Imperialist Anti-Socialist Economic War Army Ground Force reporting in.
by Chamberliania » Fri Oct 01, 2010 8:27 pm
Lunatic Goofballs wrote:Aaron Burr. Good Vice-President. Great aim too. ;)
by Wyrdnesse » Fri Oct 01, 2010 8:28 pm
by Augarundus » Fri Oct 01, 2010 8:30 pm
by Buffett and Colbert » Fri Oct 01, 2010 8:32 pm
Augarundus wrote:I quite enjoy my freedom, thank you.
If you really hate this nation, I'd welcome you to leave it (or at least abstain from voting in the next election).Sincerely,
Augarundus
You-Gi-Owe wrote:If someone were to ask me about your online persona as a standard of your "date-ability", I'd rate you as "worth investigating further & passionate about beliefs". But, enough of the idle speculation on why you didn't score with the opposite gender.
by Serguls_Haven » Fri Oct 01, 2010 8:32 pm
Lackadaisical2 wrote:That is pretty funny, considering how shitty their economy had been doing since forever.
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