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Postby Mu and Leng » Sat Oct 02, 2010 2:51 pm

We all know that the Arabs feared for their gene pool, so they just went ape. If Aryans learned how to farm their gene pool responsibly, we may have never had this incident.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Sat Oct 02, 2010 3:22 pm

Ryadn wrote:
Newest Accord wrote:I deal with Juden later. I'm going through some documents. And to answer the OP's question. I think the cause of the genocide of the Nazi's was orchestrated by the the Jews starting in 1933.


They orchestrated their own massacre? That wasn't very clever of them.

I'm sure the Russian revolution and emigration of anti-semitic Russians to Germany, the political unrest in Ukraine and the anti-Jewish laws in Poland in 1931 that led to more than 1/3 of Jews living in starvation had nothing to do with it whatsoever. Coincidence, that.


Maybe they were part of the Judean People's Front crack suicide squad?
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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Sat Oct 02, 2010 3:53 pm

Germany was really pissed off because of how they were treated after WWI, there was a long standing tradition of anti-Semitism, and they needed someone to take out their anger on. There was also a culture where people were taught not to question orders, and the people giving the orders were usually far removed from the actual killing. Rationally, they knew what they were ordering, by emotionally, they didn't necessarily have to deal with it.

Short answer: Germany was pissed at the world.
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Postby Cybach » Sat Oct 02, 2010 3:54 pm

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I wouldn't have the will to live anymore if I typed out everything that's wrong with that statement.


It's shit like this that makes me feel bad for modern-day Germany, because it's got to be really hard to make amends and move on when a bunch of snot-nosed American teenagers are showing off how bad-ass they are by making crazy statements and throwing up heil Hitlers. My family came over from Germany in the 20's, my great uncle fought in the German army in WWII, and I know that lies and ignorance and bullshit like this absolutely pissed him off, and pisses off most of the people who lived it. He was just a kid, and his country put a gun in his hands, and he did the best he could for his country, and he'd be the first to tell you it had nothing to do with the Jews or Hitler's particular brand of crazy. It had to do with a lot of people being real fucking hungry and desperate after the fallout from WWI, and a SMALL GROUP of crazy assholes who seized opportunity. It was a horror, and a tragedy, and the people who lived through it know that.



Amends, feel bad? What? This is not the 1960s. Today literally no one here in Germany, except for the 30+ baby boomer generation give a fuck about WW2/Holocaust. Certainly no one here feels guilty or bad about the events of the past. Mostly it's treated as a matter of humor in terms of jokes or completely disinterested in history class.

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Postby The Imperial Navy » Sat Oct 02, 2010 3:56 pm

The Nazis found a scapegoat, and persecuted them, using them as a blame for all societies problems. Its quite normal, all governments do it.

Sadly, in this case however, the leaders of the Nazi Party were fucking psychopathic morons, and decided to eradicate their scapegoat to make themselves look better. And they were the most dangerous type of the insane. The intelligent psychopath. Like Hannibal Lecter, but worse. They brainwashed an entire nation into hating their scapegoat. Frightening when you think about it.

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Postby Vandengaarde » Sat Oct 02, 2010 3:57 pm

The nazi genocide? When the Jewish majority in Germany massacred poor, defenceless nazis?
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Postby Yezak » Sat Oct 02, 2010 4:02 pm

I'd say it would be the treaty that hurt germany so bad which led the antijews in power.

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Postby Anemos Major » Sat Oct 02, 2010 4:02 pm

Having read Mein Kampf, I think it was a combination of Hitler's anti-Semitism, the general anti-Semitism found within Germany and Austria at the time, and the presence of such an easy scapegoat which, for Hitler, was the perfect tool to advance his own cause.

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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Sat Oct 02, 2010 4:05 pm

Cybach wrote:Amends, feel bad? What? This is not the 1960s. Today literally no one here in Germany, except for the 30+ baby boomer generation give a fuck about WW2/Holocaust. Certainly no one here feels guilty or bad about the events of the past. Mostly it's treated as a matter of humor in terms of jokes or completely disinterested in history class.


Good. Some historical baggage is just not healthy to drag around forever. The U.S. needs to learn that.
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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Sat Oct 02, 2010 4:07 pm

Vandengaarde wrote:The nazi genocide? When the Jewish majority in Germany massacred poor, defenceless nazis?


And rewrote all the history books to cover their asses so us Nazis can't even get reparations. :(
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Postby BadIron » Sat Oct 02, 2010 4:08 pm

The Nazis were National-Socialists. Socialism always goes wrong. Marx. Lenin. Hitler. Stalin. Evil begets evil.

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Postby Panzerjaeger » Sat Oct 02, 2010 4:09 pm

BadIron wrote:The Nazis were National-Socialists. Socialism always goes wrong. Marx. Lenin. Hitler. Stalin. Evil begets evil.

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Postby Sailsia » Sat Oct 02, 2010 4:10 pm

BadIron wrote:The Nazis were National-Socialists. Socialism always goes wrong. Marx. Lenin. Hitler. Stalin. Evil begets evil.

Yes. Just look at those evil Canadians, Sweds, and of course-
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Postby Greater Rhodes » Sat Oct 02, 2010 4:40 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:Assuming that this is a serious question into the ideological and cultural roots of Nazi genocide, then I would recommend that you read Sven Lindqvist's classic book-length essay "Exterminate All the Brutes": One Man's Odyssey into the Heart of Darkness and the Origins of European Genocide.

In it, Lindqvist argues that the Nazi genocide was firmly rooted in existing 19th and early 20th-century European concepts of ethno-racial superiority and colonial expansion, as previously applied to other 'inferior' peoples on other continents, but particularly in Africa. What made the Nazis unique was applying these concepts to fellow Europeans, and using the latest mass-industrial technologies to do so.

That sounds like the most logical answer although this was applied in Asia and the Americas as well, not just Africa.
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Postby Aryan Republics of Ame » Sat Oct 02, 2010 7:02 pm

The Imperial Navy wrote:The Nazis found a scapegoat, and persecuted them, using them as a blame for all societies problems. Its quite normal, all governments do it.

Sadly, in this case however, the leaders of the Nazi Party were fucking psychopathic morons, and decided to eradicate their scapegoat to make themselves look better. And they were the most dangerous type of the insane. The intelligent psychopath. Like Hannibal Lecter, but worse. They brainwashed an entire nation into hating their scapegoat. Frightening when you think about it.

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Postby Ryadn » Sat Oct 02, 2010 11:54 pm

Cybach wrote:
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It's shit like this that makes me feel bad for modern-day Germany, because it's got to be really hard to make amends and move on when a bunch of snot-nosed American teenagers are showing off how bad-ass they are by making crazy statements and throwing up heil Hitlers. My family came over from Germany in the 20's, my great uncle fought in the German army in WWII, and I know that lies and ignorance and bullshit like this absolutely pissed him off, and pisses off most of the people who lived it. He was just a kid, and his country put a gun in his hands, and he did the best he could for his country, and he'd be the first to tell you it had nothing to do with the Jews or Hitler's particular brand of crazy. It had to do with a lot of people being real fucking hungry and desperate after the fallout from WWI, and a SMALL GROUP of crazy assholes who seized opportunity. It was a horror, and a tragedy, and the people who lived through it know that.



Amends, feel bad? What? This is not the 1960s. Today literally no one here in Germany, except for the 30+ baby boomer generation give a fuck about WW2/Holocaust. Certainly no one here feels guilty or bad about the events of the past. Mostly it's treated as a matter of humor in terms of jokes or completely disinterested in history class.


Reading comprehension: your friend and mine.

As for the "30+ baby boomer generation", I have to ask two questions:

1. If a whole generation of people gives a fuck, then the statement "literally no one here give [sic] a fuck" is illogical.
2. Maybe the "baby boomer generation" in Germany means something very different from in the U.S., because over here, we refer to the "baby boomers" as the kids born in the years after the war ended. Was Germany involved in a war in the late 70's?
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Postby Cybach » Sun Oct 03, 2010 12:46 am

Ryadn wrote:
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Amends, feel bad? What? This is not the 1960s. Today literally no one here in Germany, except for the 30+ baby boomer generation give a fuck about WW2/Holocaust. Certainly no one here feels guilty or bad about the events of the past. Mostly it's treated as a matter of humor in terms of jokes or completely disinterested in history class.


Reading comprehension: your friend and mine.

As for the "30+ baby boomer generation", I have to ask two questions:

1. If a whole generation of people gives a fuck, then the statement "literally no one here give [sic] a fuck" is illogical.
2. Maybe the "baby boomer generation" in Germany means something very different from in the U.S., because over here, we refer to the "baby boomers" as the kids born in the years after the war ended. Was Germany involved in a war in the late 70's?




For someone all up and mighty about reading comprehension you seem to have trouble with the word "except." Most old people are rather neutral about the holocaust. Viewing it as a perhaps excess in a brutal time; then again the old people remember the brutal expulsions, raping, the gulags and carpet bombing of entire cities. So for them the holocaust while worse, simply fits into the violent behavior of the era.

Most young people are ignorant or personally don't feel affected in the least about it. Having lived in the US and Germany I can pretty much say the US youth are much more butthurt and interested in the holocaust than the German youth. This could also be because as a German you won't be confronted with the holocaust unless you like watching documentaries on cable TV or you are one of the few who decide to take history class in 12th grade.

The only generation I can pretty much say has a disproportionate amount of people all knowledgeable and clingy about the holocaust would be the 60-70s generation. I referred to them as baby boomer, since that generation had a blip in birth rates? Baby,...boom? Is that hard to comprehend? I'm sure the US baby boomer generation is also referred to that way due to a distinct rise in births during their generation.

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Postby Old Erisia » Sun Oct 03, 2010 1:13 am

In the US the "Baby Boomer" demographic refers to those born 1946 through 1964, just FYI...
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Postby Brandenburg-Altmark » Sun Oct 03, 2010 1:16 am

Old Erisia wrote:In the US the "Baby Boomer" demographic refers to those born 1946 through 1964, just FYI...


I thought that was constant throughout the western world. The population explosion following WW2 is considered the "baby boom." I might be wrong.
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Postby Cybach » Sun Oct 03, 2010 1:21 am

Brandenburg-Altmark wrote:
Old Erisia wrote:In the US the "Baby Boomer" demographic refers to those born 1946 through 1964, just FYI...


I thought that was constant throughout the western world. The population explosion following WW2 is considered the "baby boom." I might be wrong.



The large economic recovery or Wirtschaftswunder only went into full swing at the start of the 1960s. Partially due to the Allied punitive measures in the aftermath of WW2.

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Postby The Archregimancy » Sun Oct 03, 2010 2:18 am

Greater Rhodes wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:Assuming that this is a serious question into the ideological and cultural roots of Nazi genocide, then I would recommend that you read Sven Lindqvist's classic book-length essay "Exterminate All the Brutes": One Man's Odyssey into the Heart of Darkness and the Origins of European Genocide.

In it, Lindqvist argues that the Nazi genocide was firmly rooted in existing 19th and early 20th-century European concepts of ethno-racial superiority and colonial expansion, as previously applied to other 'inferior' peoples on other continents, but particularly in Africa. What made the Nazis unique was applying these concepts to fellow Europeans, and using the latest mass-industrial technologies to do so.

That sounds like the most logical answer although this was applied in Asia and the Americas as well, not just Africa.


Yes, which is why my post specifically read "as previously applied to other 'inferior' peoples on other continents, but particularly in Africa"; as opposed to "only in Africa", see.

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Postby South Norwega » Sun Oct 03, 2010 3:47 am

Brandenburg-Altmark wrote:
Old Erisia wrote:In the US the "Baby Boomer" demographic refers to those born 1946 through 1964, just FYI...


I thought that was constant throughout the western world. The population explosion following WW2 is considered the "baby boom." I might be wrong.

You're right. In Western Europe (or at least Germany, maybe France) they're known as 68ers, often, though. Or at least some of them are.
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Postby Cybach » Sun Oct 03, 2010 4:38 am

South Norwega wrote:
Brandenburg-Altmark wrote:
I thought that was constant throughout the western world. The population explosion following WW2 is considered the "baby boom." I might be wrong.

You're right. In Western Europe (or at least Germany, maybe France) they're known as 68ers, often, though. Or at least some of them are.



Yeah this is the group I was referencing too when I said the 60/70s baby boomer generation.

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