I TOLD you Twilight was EVIL!

[JuNii]

I liked vampires before Twilight.....What happened to the bursting into flames when they're in sunlight.....What happened I ask you!?!?

answered in the first Blade movie.

SPF 5000.

[Getbrett]

There's still some decent vampire fiction being written. The Sookie Stackhouse mysteries series (which has become the tv show True Blood) deals with a lot of issues - racism, sexism, homophobia, violence, morality - that Twilight could never hope to touch. They can be a little repetitive over the span of eight novels but they're not bad for light reading.

The vampires in that don't sparkle and they're definitely not vegetarians.

[Triblios]

I liked vampires before Twilight.....What happened to the bursting into flames when they're in sunlight.....What happened I ask you!?!?

You know thats a myth right?vampires exploding in sunlight.

[Farnhamia]

I liked vampires before Twilight.....What happened to the bursting into flames when they're in sunlight.....What happened I ask you!?!?

You know thats a myth right?vampires exploding in sunlight.

You know that's a myth, right? Vampires?

[Saint Clair Island]

I liked vampires before Twilight.....What happened to the bursting into flames when they're in sunlight.....What happened I ask you!?!?

You know thats a myth right?vampires exploding in sunlight.

You know that's a myth, right? Vampires?

Nonsense, vampires exist. Are you calling the award-winning documentary Dracula vs. Godzilla a fabrication?

[Loria Aesir]

I was made to watch the film and couldn't stand it. Worthless pile of rubbish if ever i saw one.

[The_pantless_hero]

There's still some decent vampire fiction being written. The Sookie Stackhouse mysteries series (which has become the tv show True Blood) deals with a lot of issues - racism, sexism, homophobia, violence, morality - that Twilight could never hope to touch. They can be a little repetitive over the span of eight novels but they're not bad for light reading.

The vampires in that don't sparkle and they're definitely not vegetarians.

Because Twilight is aimed at 12 year old Christian girls. Hell, the Moonlight series is pretty soap operatic, but my God, Twilight makes even it look hardcore. Though Moonlight does have some decapitations and stuff...

[The Romulan Republic]

Anything that gets teens (and preteens, too) interested in reading is good. Eventually they'll move on to other interests, but the reading will stick for (un)life

No, I have to say that with all due respect, I really hate this line.

Not anything that gets children interested in reading is good. The point is not just to help them develop reading skills, but to get them reading something that isn't inane drivel. At least that's what I thought.

Note that people's tastes in literature may be developed at an early age, and that it is inexcusable for teenagers to be reading garbage when they could be reading great fantasy like The Lord of the Rings, or great books from some other genre all together. Or, if LotR is too difficult for them, they could at least stick to Harry Potter levels of quality.

Note, I may be completely wrong about Twilight. I have never read it, and I never plan to. However, your argument is flawed, regardless of what book it applies to.

[Getbrett]

There's still some decent vampire fiction being written. The Sookie Stackhouse mysteries series (which has become the tv show True Blood) deals with a lot of issues - racism, sexism, homophobia, violence, morality - that Twilight could never hope to touch. They can be a little repetitive over the span of eight novels but they're not bad for light reading.

The vampires in that don't sparkle and they're definitely not vegetarians.

Because Twilight is aimed at 12 year old Christian girls. Hell, the Moonlight series is pretty soap operatic, but my God, Twilight makes even it look hardcore. Though Moonlight does have some decapitations and stuff...

That's a pretty crappy excuse for poor writing. Aiming literature at children doesn't give license to write drivel. I'm inclined to think that the main reason Twilight is so pathetically bad is because of the Mormon propaganda contained within it.

[Secruss]

Make Blade kill Edward.

[Bhujerbia]

I'm completely with the thread originator, here. All this is, is psuedo-sexual satisfaction for desperate pre-teen and teenage girls. Stephenie Meyer has created the ultimate hormone book. Congradulations. Not a big achievement. She's used a mythological figure that, for all its history, has been the epitome of pure evil and absolute lack of sexual control. Spawn of the Devil. And Stephenie Meyer makes this the hero? So, romantic! No, so idiotic. If she actually knew anything about the mythology and history of vampires, she'd realize that making vampires sparkling, mysterious, romance machines, is total hogwash. But, hormonily enraged preteens, I guess, don't know any better, and will keep providing her money to write more of the same trash, and keep tourists over-running Forks, Washington.

[Smunkeeville]

So, yeah, if they're reading I don't care if it's poor writing. Their tastes will mature and they'll move onto better stuff once they've plowed through all that's available in the series.

And then they'll go back and complain about how awful the series is. Where do you think hatedoms come from? They're fans who are just seeing for the first time how terrible their favourite childhood series was.

Indeed. *hates Babysitters club*

It really is horrible......I don't know what the hell was wrong with me at age 9. Also, my kids like it. *shudder*

[The_pantless_hero]

I'm completely with the thread originator, here. All this is, is psuedo-sexual satisfaction for desperate pre-teen and teenage girls. Stephenie Meyer has created the ultimate hormone book. Congradulations. Not a big achievement. She's used a mythological figure that, for all its history, has been the epitome of pure evil and absolute lack of sexual control. Spawn of the Devil. And Stephenie Meyer makes this the hero? So, romantic! No, so idiotic. If she actually knew anything about the mythology and history of vampires, she'd realize that making vampires sparkling, mysterious, romance machines, is total hogwash. But, hormonily enraged preteens, I guess, don't know any better, and will keep providing her money to write more of the same trash, and keep tourists over-running Forks, Washington.

Of course our "mythology" of vampires now comes solely from Bram Stoker's Dracula

[Rolling Dead]

Even though I don't think it was mentioned, I liked the Anne Rice novels myself.

I would have let Lestat Rape and/or Kill me in a heartbeat. Now there is a Romantic, he puts Edward to shame. Much better clothing style and hair also.

[Grays Harbor]

The Anne Rice novels were indeed quite good. A shame the movies were basically crap. But then again, I think the same thing about most of the Stephen King novels adaptations to the screen, most have been crap, with a very few exceptions.

and lets not forget the two TV versions of vampires; Dark Shadows and Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

[Rolling Dead]

I almost forgot the only Woman Vampire worth mentioning (as well as the only woman I'll ever love!).

[Dakini]

So, yeah, if they're reading I don't care if it's poor writing. Their tastes will mature and they'll move onto better stuff once they've plowed through all that's available in the series.

And then they'll go back and complain about how awful the series is. Where do you think hatedoms come from? They're fans who are just seeing for the first time how terrible their favourite childhood series was.

Indeed. *hates Babysitters club*

It really is horrible......I don't know what the hell was wrong with me at age 9. Also, my kids like it. *shudder*

I stopped reading them when I was 7 or 8. I think I read something like 50 of the little sister books and 70 or 80 of the original. They're probably terrible, but I haven't looked at them since I stopped reading them. They were the first books I read a lot and probably represented the beginning of my bookworm-hood.

[Dakini]

The Anne Rice novels were indeed quite good. A shame the movies were basically crap. But then again, I think the same thing about most of the Stephen King novels adaptations to the screen, most have been crap, with a very few exceptions.

and lets not forget the two TV versions of vampires; Dark Shadows and Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

I think that the Stephen King movies were generally low budget. The Shining was decent though if memory serves.

[Tahar Joblis]

I have to say, I have the first several Sookie Stackhouse books, which I bought.

And when I slowly buy my way through a series book by book, it means I like it. And vampires are really my brother's thing much more than mine, literature-wise.

I read a very interesting critique at one point that said that Twilight really glorifies abusive relationships, and that the lead romance of it is practically a textbook template for an abusive relationship. Anyone with more experience with her care to comment on that?

[Secruss]

The Stand? Anyone? Desperation? Misery?

[The_pantless_hero]

I think that the Stephen King movies were generally low budget. The Shining was decent though if memory serves.

His book to movie stuff was big in the 80s and got big budgets. Now it is occasional straight to tv stuff.

[JuNii]

I almost forgot the only Woman Vampire worth mentioning (as well as the only woman I'll ever love!).

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only woman vampire worth mentioning?

Bloodryne
vampirella

[Civil Arabia]

I've been to Forks. I like Forks. In fact, I grew up in a similar logging town in Washington State.

and I knew twilight was crap before this new reason to hate it.

I thought you were Georgian?

[Saint Clair Island]

I'm completely with the thread originator, here. All this is, is psuedo-sexual satisfaction for desperate pre-teen and teenage girls. Stephenie Meyer has created the ultimate hormone book. Congradulations. Not a big achievement. She's used a mythological figure that, for all its history, has been the epitome of pure evil and absolute lack of sexual control. Spawn of the Devil. And Stephenie Meyer makes this the hero? So, romantic! No, so idiotic. If she actually knew anything about the mythology and history of vampires, she'd realize that making vampires sparkling, mysterious, romance machines, is total hogwash. But, hormonily enraged preteens, I guess, don't know any better, and will keep providing her money to write more of the same trash, and keep tourists over-running Forks, Washington.

Of course our "mythology" of vampires now comes solely from Bram Stoker's Dracula

Actually, it comes from pre-Christian Eastern European ideas of the undead, stories meant to terrify the young and naïve with tales of living corpses drinking the blood of ordinary, law-abiding folk to survive. Christianity's arrival in the area cemented the vampire as a devil figure, defeatable by strong faith but also immensely powerful against the living. Bram Stoker's Dracula was just a moustachioed country gentleman with a manipulative streak by comparison with some of the myths.

Still, making vampires the good guys is fairly recent, and would be an interesting idea if any of the authors doing so actually bothered to make them retain the traditional vampire traits, such as having to drink human blood to survive.

[Grays Harbor]

I've been to Forks. I like Forks. In fact, I grew up in a similar logging town in Washington State.

and I knew twilight was crap before this new reason to hate it.

I thought you were Georgian?

I've lived here in Georgia for 20 years, but I was born in Aberdeen (Grays Harbor? LOL) and raised in Shelton, and my Mom, Brothers and Nephews all still Live in the Puget Sound area.