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Postby The Atlantian islands » Sun Sep 26, 2010 5:58 pm

To be against immigration to America.

How not only inhumane, but also short sighted for the U.S.

If you think about it, most of the industrialized world is dying out, and in desperate need of a booming, young workforce. America is not. On the contrary, it is growing - and much of this growth is fueled by Latinos.

Yes, many of them are less educated, don't speak English and aren't Americanized. But their children will be. And their children's children will most certainly be. And the American dream for immigrants the world over will live on, burning bright.

Because, if you think about it on an individual level, human beings only have 1 life. So why should we, all of us, not try to live that singular life to the best of our abilities. And if certain areas of Latin-America don't offer the environment needed for people to really flourish, why shouldn't they be able to come to America? Why do they have less of a [moral] right to live here and contribute, something they are willing to die for, than some ignorant ass bum who doesn't care about the country, doesn't contribute, but who happens to be a multi-generation American?

That's not right and you know it. But you know what is right? What feels right? Including people. Because they love America and the opportunity it represents, and they will love you too if you try to help them. And ultimately, helping people build a better life, which by extension benefits your country by keeping it dynamic, evolving, growing and productive, feels a hell of a lot better than excluding.

You can try to convince yourself otherwise, but ultimately you will know that's the truth if you look in your heart and mind.

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Postby Achaea-Graecia » Sun Sep 26, 2010 6:00 pm

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Postby Morscraw » Sun Sep 26, 2010 6:00 pm

America is made of immigrant we should allow more. But legal Immigrants.

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Postby Buffett and Colbert » Sun Sep 26, 2010 6:00 pm

The Atlantian islands wrote:Anyone who knows me as a poster may be a bit surprised by my post. :p

Indeed. Is this an attempt at satire or something?
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Postby NERVUN » Sun Sep 26, 2010 6:00 pm

I... I'm agreeing with TAI... *faints* :p
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Postby Yootwopia » Sun Sep 26, 2010 6:01 pm

The Atlantian islands wrote:if certain areas of Latin-America don't offer the environment needed for people to really flourish, why shouldn't they be able to come to America?

Same's true of most Arabic countries and Africa, but you know what, I think you'd be more skeptical somehow.

Also yer asterixes are still pretty fucking twatty, not gonna lie.
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Postby Tokos » Sun Sep 26, 2010 6:01 pm

Uh, if they "become Americanised" they will necessarily develop the same population-fall problems you allege the Americans already there are experiencing, which means the problem won't be solved (who knows what new ones you might be bringing too).

Yes, many of them are less educated, don't speak English and aren't Americanized. But their children will be.


This worked so well for France… just warning. Maybe it will work for Latin Americans maybe not. But anyway why do you want more people? You have a big country known for open space. Don't ruin it with more suburban sprawl.
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Postby The Emmerian Unions » Sun Sep 26, 2010 6:02 pm

My personal view is: If you don't come here legally, you should be sent far away with no hope of ever getting back. Yes it is a bit extreme, but that is how I feel.
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Postby Yootwopia » Sun Sep 26, 2010 6:02 pm

Tokos wrote:This worked so well for France

France is like a perfect example of a country that needs to get its shit together, though.
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Postby Yootwopia » Sun Sep 26, 2010 6:03 pm

The Emmerian Unions wrote:My personal view is: If you don't come here legally, you should be sent far away with no hope of ever getting back. Yes it is a bit extreme, but that is how I feel.

Why?

Just because you exited an American clunge doesn't make you a more worthy person than any Mexican who wants to come over the border but can't legally.
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Postby Tokos » Sun Sep 26, 2010 6:03 pm

The Emmerian Unions wrote:My personal view is: If you don't come here legally, you should be sent far away with no hope of ever getting back. Yes it is a bit extreme, but that is how I feel.


Sent back to the huge Mexican desert right next door isn't really "no hope of getting back".

The only way to control illegal immigration in America is to make it less desirable for the immigrants to come to America than for them to stay home. Given how much money a Mexican can earn doing unskilled labour in America (relative to what he could back home), this is hard to do.

Really, Arizona's decision was realistic.
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Postby The Atlantian islands » Sun Sep 26, 2010 6:05 pm

Buffett and Colbert wrote:
The Atlantian islands wrote:Anyone who knows me as a poster may be a bit surprised by my post. :p

Indeed. Is this an attempt at satire or something?

No. I just think a bit differently than I used to, due to my extensive travels, adventures and experiences with all the people I've met along the way.

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Postby Buffett and Colbert » Sun Sep 26, 2010 6:07 pm

The Atlantian islands wrote:
Buffett and Colbert wrote:Indeed. Is this an attempt at satire or something?

No. I just think a bit differently than I used to, due to my extensive travels, adventures and experiences with all the people I've met along the way.

Well, awesome, I guess. :lol:
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Postby The Atlantian islands » Sun Sep 26, 2010 6:07 pm

Yootwopia wrote:Same's true of most Arabic countries and Africa, but you know what, I think you'd be more skeptical somehow.

Nope. America needs to always continue to present itself as a land of opportunity to the world's poor, desperate, entrepreneurial and oppressed. It's the USA's most marketable asset.
Also yer asterixes are still pretty fucking twatty, not gonna lie.

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Postby Yootwopia » Sun Sep 26, 2010 6:09 pm

This some kind of epiphany?
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Postby Newest Accord » Sun Sep 26, 2010 6:09 pm

Morscraw wrote:America is made of immigrant we should allow more. But legal Immigrants.

Hell no to the migrant hell hole. If you mean legal immigration of Western Aryan's; great.
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Postby Hiijaric Monarchy » Sun Sep 26, 2010 6:09 pm

The Emmerian Unions wrote:My personal view is: If you don't come here legally, you should be sent far away with no hope of ever getting back. Yes it is a bit extreme, but that is how I feel.


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Postby Hydesland » Sun Sep 26, 2010 6:09 pm

The US could possibly benefit still with expanding its immigrant underclass, other countries not so much.

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Postby The Sentenial Empire » Sun Sep 26, 2010 6:09 pm

Illegal immigration isnt a new thing...the natives called it "White Man" :palm:
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Postby The Atlantian islands » Sun Sep 26, 2010 6:10 pm

The Emmerian Unions wrote:My personal view is: If you don't come here legally, you should be sent far away with no hope of ever getting back. Yes it is a bit extreme, but that is how I feel.

Laws are subject to change much more easily than what you know to be right and wrong.

If someone has no chance for survival in random, repressed country A, and wants to come to the US but realizes the process could take years . . . and then understands that there is no guarantee he'd even be alive in those years needed to wait, why wouldn't he try to come, even if illegally. It makes sense, and we'd probably do the same were we unfortunately placed in those shoes.

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Postby Yootwopia » Sun Sep 26, 2010 6:10 pm

Hiijaric Monarchy wrote:
The Emmerian Unions wrote:My personal view is: If you don't come here legally, you should be sent far away with no hope of ever getting back. Yes it is a bit extreme, but that is how I feel.


+10

How is this possible?
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Postby Jervak » Sun Sep 26, 2010 6:10 pm

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Morscraw wrote:America is made of immigrant we should allow more. But legal Immigrants.

Hell no to the migrant hell hole. If you mean legal immigration of Western Aryan's; great.
America was created by Western Aryans for Western Aryans; and will be ours alone. So was; and is all our Heritage and Conquest nations. So it is written.

Cut your Nazi drivel; race is a social construct.

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Postby NERVUN » Sun Sep 26, 2010 6:10 pm

Newest Accord wrote:
Morscraw wrote:America is made of immigrant we should allow more. But legal Immigrants.

Hell no to the migrant hell hole. If you mean legal immigration of Western Aryan's; great.
America was created by Western Aryans for Western Aryans; and will be ours alone. So was; and is all our Heritage and Conquest nations. So it is written.

*Checks the Constitution of the United States, the Declaration of Independence, and US laws*
Um... no, no, nope... sorry, not seeing it written anywhere.
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Postby The Atlantian islands » Sun Sep 26, 2010 6:11 pm

Yootwopia wrote:This some kind of epiphany?

This is the result of a lot of various conversations, thoughts and self-reflections on what I believe and what is right, influenced by the people all over the world I've had the pleasure of meeting, interacting with and learning from through out the travels of my life, recently.

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Postby Kazahk » Sun Sep 26, 2010 6:11 pm

Yootwopia wrote:
The Emmerian Unions wrote:My personal view is: If you don't come here legally, you should be sent far away with no hope of ever getting back. Yes it is a bit extreme, but that is how I feel.

Why?

Just because you exited an American clunge doesn't make you a more worthy person than any Mexican who wants to come over the border but can't legally.


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