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Jervak
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Postby Jervak » Sun Sep 26, 2010 6:15 pm

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Tokos wrote:
White Europeans are a race, that doesn't stop the Germans and Russians from going at each others' throats, as an example. Jews consider themselves a racial nation.

Conversions are a drop in the ocean, and not encouraged anyway.

Let me put it this way:
America was created by Western Aryans for Western Aryans; and will be ours alone. So was; and is all our Heritage and Conquest nations. So it is written.
What divided us in the past can no longer be allowed for our race to continue. No more brothers wars.

FUCKING HELL. You are the first person for me to ignore. Good job on doing that.
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Postby Newest Accord » Sun Sep 26, 2010 6:16 pm

Abruzi wrote:I think now is a good time to drop a 14/88. (not a Nazi)

What? 14 words and 88 lines and you're not a Nazi? Or you're using 88 for Heil Hitler; and you're not a Nazi?
Stay out of it unless you are one of us. I am a National Socialist and damn proud of it. I just see the bigger picture.
Edit: I would be flying the animated Fuhrer flag if allowed. This is. 1488.
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Postby Greater Americania » Sun Sep 26, 2010 6:19 pm

Jervak wrote:
Greater Americania wrote:
Maybe you Communists could help out then. After all, you are experts on mass slaughter.

Nothing a more the perfect excuse for nationalists to commit atrocities than "National Interests"...


Well, I'm sure you Communists know a thing or two about excuses as well, what with "class struggle" and all that noise.
Federal Republic of Greater Americania: “Liberty, Soveriegnty, Freedom!”
Original Founder of the Nationalist Union
Member of the Santiago Anti-Communist Treaty Organization

Nationalist Republic, governed by the National Republican Party
Economic Left/Right: 2.0, Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 6.21
President: Austin Farley
Vice President: John Raimark
Secretary of State: Jason Lee
Secretary of Defense: Shane Tomlinson
Secretary of Federal Security: Ross Ferrell
-Chief of Interior Security Forces: General James Calley
Secretary of Territorial Administration: Brandon Terry
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-Governor of Comaack: John Fargo
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Postby Abruzi » Sun Sep 26, 2010 6:19 pm

Newest Accord wrote:
Abruzi wrote:I think now is a good time to drop a 14/88. (not a Nazi)

What? 14 words and 88 lines and you're not a Nazi? Or you're using 88 for Heil Hitler; and you're not a Nazi?
Stay out of it unless you are one of us. I am a National Socialist and damn proud of it. I just see the bigger picture.


I at one time dabbled in National Socialism. I however am a civic nationalist not an ethnic one which is my main disagreement with National Socialism.
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Postby Abruzi » Sun Sep 26, 2010 6:26 pm

Actually the Aryans created all that is good such as Rome and Greece and everything (supposedly) then slowly the southern Aryans mixed with the Arabs and W/E else came north into the Med. and the Northern Aryans were all that remained Aryan. Actually by the English chap who wrote the early literature's definition Germany was not Aryan at all. The only true Aryan nations being the Scandinavian ones.

Nazi scripture is pretty much undefinable since Nietzsche is also regarded as being one of the early Nazi visionaries or philosophers or what have you.
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Postby Jervak » Sun Sep 26, 2010 6:27 pm

Greater Americania wrote:
Jervak wrote:Nothing a more the perfect excuse for nationalists to commit atrocities than "National Interests"...


Well, I'm sure you Communists know a thing or two about excuses as well, what with "class struggle" and all that noise.

You divide and conquer, which benefits the nationalists ruling classes who are hereby given a perfect excuse to ignore social suffering and political inequality at home. Pitting nation against another and nationalist ideology against "more correct" ones, diverts people's attention from the true errors of society.
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Postby Newest Accord » Sun Sep 26, 2010 6:29 pm

Abruzi wrote:
Newest Accord wrote:What? 14 words and 88 lines and you're not a Nazi? Or you're using 88 for Heil Hitler; and you're not a Nazi?
Stay out of it unless you are one of us. I am a National Socialist and damn proud of it. I just see the bigger picture.


I at one time dabbled in National Socialism. I however am a civic nationalist not an ethnic one which is my main disagreement with National Socialism.

Then you don't understand National Socialism. It is for all Western Aryans. Google for nazi.org.uk and never mind the block....it's enemy propaganda.
National Socialism: An Eclectic View

by Mjollnir

To understand the dichotomy between National Socialism and Democracy, it is necessary that we define the parameters of each one. National Socialism today is most definitely not popular, because of many misconceptions and its connection in the public mind to the so-called "Holocaust" which generates tremendous psychological aversion, I have taken the liberty to explain a little about its mindset as a basis from which to work. This information is mostly little-known, except amongst its implacable enemies, who, for reasons of their own, wish that National Socialism be destroyed. But at bottom, National Socialism is the application of the eternal Laws of Nature to the sphere of human society. Please read it, consider it, and if you feel that you have to reject its basis, at least it will be an informed decision on your part.

NATIONAL SOCIALISM CLAIMS DEFINITELY TO BE A WELTANSCHAUUNG.

National Socialism is not merely a political system, or a form of government, in the way that Democracy is. National Socialism is a Weltanschauung, a German word which has no English equivalent. The closest translation is perhaps the phrase a "world-perspective".

A Weltanschauung like National Socialism is an all-encompassing philosophical system, affording insights and opinions on all facets of life, racial, political, religious, ideological, military, financial, social, resources and yes, even spiritual. In this sense it is "totalitarian", but note that this does not equate to "repression". One cannot be a once-in-five-years voter in National Socialism, and think that one has discharged one's political duties, as is the case in a Democracy.

The form of government within a National Socialist state might well be a semi-democracy, with a qualified franchise, but the purest form of National Socialist government is the so-called "benign dictator", or Rule of One (as opposed to the democratic Rule of Many). This is perhaps the most difficult thing for Americans to understand: the voluntary relinquishment of certain "rights" to a State-organisation, as happens in National Socialism.

So, National Socialism is a Weltanschauung, as opposed to Democracy, merely a form of government.

THE PHILOSOPHICAL BASIS OF NATIONAL SOCIALISM

The philosophical basis of National Socialism includes the centrality given to quality of life. Viewing a Volk, the racially homogeneous inhabitants of a state, as an organic unit, the only end worthy to be the primary object of any such people's existence is to produce the largest possible number of truly superior men and women - of robust health, overflowing energy, unspoiled instinct, mind powerful to analyse and create - of that integrated, masterful personality and elevated spirit that ever characterises the truly noble human.

There are two reasons for this:

(a) great men and their works are a source of pride and glory, the justification of the Volk's existence and highest fulfillment, in which each individual, even the lowest, feels himself lifted up, in that he knows that he has taken some necessary part in making those achievements possible, and

(b) great men are the Volk's salvation. They alone can organise the life of the Volk as a unit to make it generally satisfying, and steer it safely past the perils that assail the life of every people.

The racial Weltanschauung is fundamentally distinguished from Democracy by reason of the fact that the former recognizes the significance of race and therefore also personal worth and has made these the pillars of its structure.

Hence the supreme purpose of the ethnical, National Socialist State is to guard and preserve those racial elements which, through their work in the cultural field, create that beauty and dignity which are characteristic of a higher mankind. As Aryans, we can consider the National Socialist State only as the living organism of a people, an organism which does not merely maintain the existence of a people, but functions in such a way as to lead its people to a position of supreme liberty by the progressive development of the intellectual and cultural faculties.

Note well that, in contrast to Democracy on a political plane, National Socialism does not make happiness the end of a people's existence as a society. Happiness is deemed to be at its richest and most satisfying when it is not directly sought, but comes as a by-product of expending one's energy in doing some piece of work well, or for the sake of achieving some other thing in which one deeply believes.

CONGENIAL CIRCUMSTANCES & THE IMPORTANCE OF THE PERSON

Circumstances which favour the emergence of the superior man are: (1) racial homogeneity [effected by (a) segregation (b) inbreeding and (c) subjection to the same values over a long period of time], leading to (2) social solidarity. According to the measure of their comprehension and strength of their character, all have the same ethic, the same religion, believe passionately in their greatness as a people, and understand and accept and uphold their social organisation, their goals, their government and their way of life as the most desirable on earth. Every man, no matter what his position on the social scale, feels that he belongs. He walks with the dignity of one who knows himself important to a whole with which he is inextricably connected. Beneath all surface differences and personal clashes, there is an underlying unity which, in a crisis, makes man stand with man, family with family, class with class, and all with the whole in a devotion which is unto death. Such a people may be crushed by superior force, but they will never disintegrate. A good example of it is the Japanese. Another is the jews.

In contrast to this organic unity of a Volk which National Socialism seeks to nurture, the Democratic way of thinking lays excessive emphasis on the individual and his "rights" and "freedoms". A society of individuals, as required by a Democracy, is an atomistic society, a pile of loosely-cemented stones. Its cohesive forces are weak. On an ever-increasing scale, Democracy as practised today, is turning our societies into human anthills, and our people into faceless and all but nameless nothings, as alike as grains of sand. And those of us in whom the life-force has not been tamed and beaten, hate the meaninglessness of mundane existence - its boredom, its emptiness, its indignity.

The third circumstance required to favour the superior man, is (3) the pyramidal form of government (differentiation in function and responsibility).

Capping these three is the umbrella of an eugenic religion. If any society is to maintain and extend itself in the face of its environment and its enemies, and attain the heights of cultural greatness, it must have at its helm those of its number who are of profoundest wisdom and most exalted character, men of deep religious experience. Standing apart, freed from the narrow cares and anxieties and little duties that burden and fret the rest, and with disinterested and exalted motives, as it were from a conning tower, they scan the horizon, study the stars and set the course of the ship. The fate of everybody on board rests on their wisdom, their love, their strength.

National Socialism needs such men, men who come forth out of these circumstances to guide and lead. This National Socialist mindset is vastly superior to the Democratic one which allows an obscure nincompoop to be thrown up in an over-sponsored popularity contest, to grip the leash of power in, say, a mighty country like the USA. National Socialism says: "Character Counts", Democracy says: "A fat wallet counts".

Even purely theoretical work, which cannot be measured by a definite rule and is preliminary to all subsequent technical discoveries, is exclusively the product of the individual brain. The broad masses do not invent, nor does the majority organize or think; but always and in every case the individual man, the person.

Democracy introduces universal suffrage, chatters about equal rights but can find no foundation for this equality. It destroys the basis of quality.

THE LEADERSHIP PRINCIPLE

A Weltanschauung which repudiates the democratic principle of the rule of the masses and aims at giving this world to the best people - that is, to the highest quality of mankind - must also apply that same aristocratic postulate to the individuals within the Volk-community.

National Socialism insists that it must take care that the positions of leadership and highest influence are given to the best men.

Hence the leadership principle is not based on the idea of the MAJORITY, but on that of PERSONALITY.

The leadership principle may be imposed on an organized political community in a dictatorial way. But this principle can become a living reality only by passing through the stages that are necessary for its own evolution. These stages lead from the smallest cell of the State organism upwards. As its bearers and representatives, the leadership principle must have a body of men who have passed through a process of selection lasting over several years, who have been tempered by the hard realities of life and thus rendered capable of carrying the principle into practical effect.

ELECTIONEERING

National Socialism does not have electioneering in the way that Democracy has. Issues were settled by referendums; leaders rise higher in the structures by virtue of character, competency and efficiency as displayed by their track records.

Democracy lurches from one election to the next with flexible agendas. The intervals between the replacement of one person by another gradually became shorter, finally ending up in a wild relay chase. With each change the quality of the statesman' in question deteriorated, until finally only the petty type of political huckster remained. In such people the qualities of statesmanship were measured and valued according to the adroitness with which they pieced together one coalition after another; in other words, their craftiness in manipulating the pettiest political transactions,

There is a better chance of seeing a camel pass through the eye of a needle than of seeing a really great man discovered' through an election.

ACCOUNTABILITY & RESPONSIBILITY

National Socialism is perhaps the first ideological system to apply the concepts of "management-by-objective" on a national scale, ie within the political life of a Volk. The achievement of those objectives are entrusted to appointed leaders who have the duty to exercise their skills and talents in the most beneficent, efficient and honourable way possible. The criterion is that the welfare of the whole outranks the well-being of the individual. This means that, in a situation where a conflict of interests arise, the lesser is sacrificed to the greater, in pursuit of quality.

National Socialism appoints a leader in a certain position, and by virtue of his appointment receives the power and freedom to make decisions. The results of those decisions determine whether the incumbent will remain in that position, because he, and only he, is responsible for the results of his decisions. If they go wrong, as measured against set principles and goals, he has to accept accountability for his errors and vacate the position of power. Freedom is balanced out by responsibility; fulfillment of duty is rewarded by more power, failure is met with accountibility.

Democracy can never be called to account for anything, since the right of decision is not vested in the Cabinet but in the parliamentary majority. The Cabinet always functions only as the executor of the will of the majority. Its political ability can be judged only according to how far it succeeds in adjusting itself to the will of the majority or in persuading the majority to agree to its proposals. But this means that the ruling body must descend from the level of a real governing power to that of a mendicant who has to beg the approval of a majority that may be got together for the time being

Thereby all responsibility is abolished in practice. In practice no actual responsibility remains. For responsibility arises only from personal duty and not from the obligations that rest with a parliamentary assembly of empty talkers.

This principle of combining absolute authority with absolute responsibility will gradually cause a selected group of leaders to emerge; which is not even thinkable in our present epoch of irresponsible parliamentarianism.

AN IMPORTANT NOTE ON POWER

When talking about the concept of "power", democratically-minded people are very quick to respond by quoting Lord Acton's dictum: "Power tends to corrupt; and absolute power corrupts absolutely."

But we as humans MUST face up to three facts:

(1) No society can EXIST unless power is entrusted to SOMEBODY.

(2) It is of the most vital urgency that it be possible to PIN RESPONSIBILITY ON SOME PARTICULAR MAN. In a democratic government, where decisions are taken by committees and commissions and majority vote, responsibility is so divided, dispersed and comminuted that in the end it is virtually impossible to fix responsibility to anyone. From this it has come about that large numbers of men, of very high positions in our society, can be grossly delinquent and even downright traitors without having to answer for it.

(3) If it be inseparable from government that power be entrusted somewhere, it seems the part of wisdom to entrust it where its tendency to corrupt him who wields it, is most likely to be resisted - that is to say, to men whose very character would make them scorn to misuse it, and whose very membership in a corporate elite known to visit the severest punishment, remorselessly, upon any of its number found guilty of dereliction, would deter even the boldest from yielding to temptation. Granted the miscarriages of intention that inevitably accompany the actual operation of any system, there is nevertheless the fundamental belief, indeed the profound instinct, that if one man is to have power over another it should be only he who obviously is the BETTER MAN, and that if he IS the better man, he OUGHT to have the greater power, and with it the rights and privileges requisite for its proper use.

NEWS MEDIA

In a National Socialist state, the instruments which shape public opinion are brought under State control and no longer left in the hands of aliens and enemies of the people. This is simply a measure of self-defence to protect the Volk.

THE FORM OF GOVERNMENT

National Socialism insists that the best constitution and the best form of government is that which makes it quite natural for the best brains to reach a position of dominant importance and influence in the community.

TRADE UNIONS

The National Socialist State divides its representative bodies into:
(2) a corporative chamber that represents the respective trades and professions.

To assure an effective co-operation between those two bodies, a selected body is placed over them. This is a special senate.

No vote is taken in the chambers or senate. They are organizations for work and not voting machines. The individual members have consultive votes but no right of decision is attached thereto.

The right of decision belongs exclusively to the president, who is entirely responsible for the matter under discussion.

Strikes by trade unions are not allowed as it disrupts the organic production of the National Socialist state, and also violates the good relationships between employers and employees, like partnerships, which National Socialism strives to construct.

GENERAL

Regarding the possibility of putting these principles into practice, I should like to call attention to the fact that the principle of parliamentarian democracy, whereby decisions are enacted through the majority vote, has not always ruled the world. On the contrary, we find it prevalent only during short periods of history, and those have always been periods of decline in nations and States.

"A time will come, even though in the distant future, when there can be only two alternatives: Either the world will be ruled according to our modern concept of democracy, and then every decision will be in favour of the numerically stronger races; or the world will be governed by the law of natural distribution of power, and then those nations will be victorious who are of more brutal will and are not the nations who have practised self-denial." From Mein Kampf

TENETS OF DEMOCRACY

"There were three principles promulgated by the Republicans [French revolutionists] which were profound absurdities. The first was the doctrine of equality, not simply equality in the eye of the law (that [Goethe] accepted), but of absolute equality;...The second was the doctrine of government by the people. [Goethe] believed in no such principle. Even when you kill the king, he says, you do not know how to rule in his place...The rulers were destroyed, but who was there to protect the Many FROM the Many?...The third revolutionary principle was that political freedom is necessary to man...through life we find [Goethe] insisting on the fact that no man CAN be free..." From L&W of Goethe

The question is: "To whom shall we with most confidence entrust the direction of affairs in society, and how should we go about finding such men and placing them at the helm?"

"Democracy" ("mob-rule" in my opinion) is one answer; "men of superior character and ability" is another. These two answers are diametrically opposed in intent and meaning.

CRITIQUE

(1) Democracy is seen to be just that one political system that provides the best opportunities for alien enemies and traitors to encyst themselves in the political body, and there to work under cover for the destruction of the people. It so turns out that most of the efforts to run the traitors down, the really big traitors, lead to the door of the International Money Power. And in the end we are forced to the conclusion that the Money Power always proves to be any people's supreme enemy, and that Democracy is completely and totally lacking in the kind of power necessary to put the Money Power into shackles. This stands as Democracy's supreme and final indictment.

(2) Even if we register the judgement of people on any great issue, what would be the worth of the judgement after we have it? Vital issues of the State require a measure of consideration and detailed background knowledge most people lack, do not care about and lack the character to fathom. Witlessness remains witless, whether multiplied by one or by one million. You do not get wisdom by counting numbskulls.

(3) There is also no appeal against the masses - once the "majority" decides an issue, hopelessly wrong as it may be, the minority WHO MAY BE RIGHT about the said issue, gets drowned in the deluge.

(4) One of the most demoralising results of Democracy is its dissipation of responsibility. POWER WITHOUT RESPONSIBILITY IS RUINOUS TO ALL GOOD GOVERNMENT.

(5) The philosophical infrastructure of Democracy is Liberalism with its concomitant concept of "equality". But equality is nothing but the envious and resentful cry of the inferior man against the superior, a cry of insurrection to destroy those of innate superiority, and bring into being a world of mediocrity, full of those who are now weak, ugly, dull and generally botched.

The doctrine of equality poses a twofold threat: (a) a denial of the need of leadership. And (b) a repudiation of quality. It denies that natural differentiation apart from which quality cannot exist.

P: = PARAMETER
NS: = NATIONAL SOCIALISM
D: = DEMOCRACY

P: Philosophical basis
NS: Natural aristocracy.
D: Liberalism.

P: Ruling Idea
NS: Producing greatest number of superior people.
D: Producing greatest number of happy people.

P: Mission Statement
NS: "What we have to fight for is the necessary security for the existence and increase of our race and people, the subsistence of its children and the maintenance of our racial stock unmixed, the freedom and independence of the Fatherland; so that our people may be enabled to fulfil the mission assigned to it by the Creator."
D: Eh...?

P: Man-model
NS: Character counts.
D: Wealth counts.

P: Human equality
NS: Accepts that it does not exist.
D: All equal.

P: Model of the State
NS: The State is only the vessel and the race is what it contains. The vessel can have a meaning only if it preserves and safeguards the contents. Otherwise it is worthless.
D: Huh..?

P: Political Programme
NS: The programme of a Weltanschauung represents an organism enclosed in itself, solid and internally homogeneous. Unalterable principles.
D: "A recipe for cooking up favourable results out of the next general elections". Very volatile, based upon expediencies.

P: Citizenry divisions
NS: Citizens (with rights and obligations), subjects of the State (no rights, many obligations), and aliens (no rights, no obligations).
D: Citizens (with rights), and aliens (no rights).

P: Franchise
NS: Qualified by birth in country, race, age, community service.
D: Qualified by birth in country, age.

P: Decision making
NS: There are no decisions made by the majority vote, but only by responsible persons. And the word council' is once more restored to its original meaning. Every man in a position of responsibility will have councillors at his side, but the decision is made by that individual person alone.
D: Dissipated in nameless committees, councils and assemblies. "Majority rule".

P: Responsibility
NS: Responsible to superior; accountable for failure.
D: Lost in majority decisions.

P: Appeal to higher authority
NS: Right up to Leader (Fuehrer).
D: Umm...

P: Fraternity
NS: Qualified by race and Volk.
D: Free-for-all for all citizens.

P: Naturalisation
NS: Unless member of race and Volk, not possible.
D: Anybody can become a citizen.

P: Freedom
NS: Private freedoms; public obligations and duties.
D: Free to do what one wants, as long as it does not infringe on someone else's freedom.

P: Bringing International Finance under control
NS: State-owned central bank; state-issued money (no foreign loans).
D: Huh...? Say again...?

P: Monetary system
NS: National Socialist
D: Capitalism.

P: Monetary backing
NS: Productive capacity of Volk.
D: "Trust" (NOT gold).

SUMMARY:

A. National Socialism claims definitely to be a Weltanschauung.

B The Philosophical Basis of National Socialism

(1) Volk = the racially homogeneous inhabitants of a state
(2) Strive towards quality of life
(3) Purpose - greatest number of superior men
(a) great men and their works are a source of pride and glory
(b) great men are the Volk's salvation.

C. Three Circumstances and a Religion

(1) racial homogeneity
(a) segregation
(b) inbreeding and
(c) subjection to the same values over a long period of time
(2) social solidarity
(3) the pyramidal form of government (differentiation in function and responsibility).
(4) eugenic religion

D. Happiness NOT the end of a people's existence.

E. The Leadership Principle

Aristocratic postulate - the highest quality of mankind within the Volk-community.
Positions of leadership to the best men.
Not based on MAJORITY, but on PERSONALITY.
Chosen through process of selection lasting over several years.

F. Electioneering

Democracy has flexible agendas.

G. Accountibility & Responsibility

Democracy can never be called to account for anything.
Responsibility is abolished in practice.
Responsibility arises from personal duty.
Principle of combining absolute authority with absolute responsibility.

H. Note on POWER.

Power must be entrusted to SOMEBODY.
Responsibility must be pinned to an individual.
Entrust power to the BETTER character.

I. News media under State control.

J. The form of government - The best brains in positions of importance and influence.

K. Trade Unions

Corporative chamber represents trades and professions.
No vote; decision by president who is entirely responsible.
No strikes allowed.
Partnerships between employers and employees.

L. Tenets of Democracy

doctrine of equality
doctrine of government by the people.
political freedom is necessary to man


Bibliography:

Die Stryd om die Ordes, HG Stoker (anti-NS)
Mein Kampf, A Hitler
The Life and Works of Goethe, GH Lewes
The Spirit and Structure of German Fascism, RA Brady (anti-NS)
Which Way Western Man?, WG Simpson
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Postby Newest Accord » Sun Sep 26, 2010 6:31 pm

Jervak wrote:
Greater Americania wrote:
Well, I'm sure you Communists know a thing or two about excuses as well, what with "class struggle" and all that noise.

You divide and conquer, which benefits the nationalists ruling classes who are hereby given a perfect excuse to ignore social suffering and political inequality at home. Pitting nation against another and nationalist ideology against "more correct" ones, diverts people's attention from the true errors of society.

Wrong. Jewish-Marxist Communism puts a slave collar on all of us. That is why communists are our sworn enemy.
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Postby Jervak » Sun Sep 26, 2010 6:32 pm

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Abruzi wrote:
I at one time dabbled in National Socialism. I however am a civic nationalist not an ethnic one which is my main disagreement with National Socialism.

Then you don't understand National Socialism. It is for all Western Aryans.

And the weaker ones must be crushed right? I can't comprehend how much danger you "people" are to civil liberties and the lives of billions of so-called inferior people. You are a disgusting hate-machine, and should just shut up.
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Postby Jervak » Sun Sep 26, 2010 6:34 pm

Grossrheinland Reich wrote:
Jervak wrote:And the weaker ones must be crushed right? I can't comprehend how much danger you "people" are to civil liberties and the lives of billions of so-called inferior people. You are a disgusting hate-machine, and should just shut up.


itt: commie rage

Defiantly, *Deep breaths*.
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Postby Newest Accord » Sun Sep 26, 2010 6:35 pm

Abruzi wrote:Actually the Aryans created all that is good such as Rome and Greece and everything (supposedly) then slowly the southern Aryans mixed with the Arabs and W/E else came north into the Med. and the Northern Aryans were all that remained Aryan. Actually by the English chap who wrote the early literature's definition Germany was not Aryan at all. The only true Aryan nations being the Scandinavian ones.

Nazi scripture is pretty much undefinable since Nietzsche is also regarded as being one of the early Nazi visionaries or philosophers or what have you.

Wrong. Aryan = Western and Eastern families. Western Aryans are Euro-Aryans and Eastern Aryans are Indo-Aryans. Iran means Aryan.
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Postby Greater Americania » Sun Sep 26, 2010 6:37 pm

Jervak wrote:You divide and conquer, which benefits the nationalists ruling classes who are hereby given a perfect excuse to ignore social suffering and political inequality at home. Pitting nation against another and nationalist ideology against "more correct" ones, diverts people's attention from the true errors of society.


This is the problem with Communism. It pretends that the world is defined in terms of class struggle, and when Nationalists come along seeking to balance the classes, making things fair for both, Communists simply pretend Nationalism is another form of Capitalism, keeping their little facade going on in their own minds.
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Postby Greater Americania » Sun Sep 26, 2010 6:38 pm

Jervak wrote:And the weaker ones must be crushed right? I can't comprehend how much danger you "people" are to civil liberties and the lives of billions of so-called inferior people. You are a disgusting hate-machine, and should just shut up.


Danger? Shall we compare casualty records?
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Secretary of Defense: Shane Tomlinson
Secretary of Federal Security: Ross Ferrell
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Postby Greater Americania » Sun Sep 26, 2010 6:40 pm

Grossrheinland Reich wrote:
Greater Americania wrote:
This is the problem with Communism. It pretends that the world is defined in terms of class struggle, and when Nationalists come along seeking to balance the classes, making things fair for both, Communists simply pretend Nationalism is another form of Capitalism, keeping their little facade going on in their own minds.


itt: lack of understanding of communist principles

communistmanifesto.doc


lol Maybe you should read a thing or two about Marxism-Leninism and it's declarations about Nationalism before you come to me with these accusations of ignorance.
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-Chief of Interior Security Forces: General James Calley
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Postby Jervak » Sun Sep 26, 2010 6:40 pm

(Might come back later, black/brownshirts)
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Postby Newest Accord » Sun Sep 26, 2010 6:44 pm

Jervak wrote:
Newest Accord wrote:Then you don't understand National Socialism. It is for all Western Aryans.

And the weaker ones must be crushed right? I can't comprehend how much danger you "people" are to civil liberties and the lives of billions of so-called inferior people. You are a disgusting hate-machine, and should just shut up.

I love my race; but not each member is equal. No man is equal to another...that's just more propaganda.
We are a danger to those that stand against us yes; a growing one, as our people are finally seeing the truth. Civil liberties claims are used by the weak to shut us up. They they claim racism or antisemitism when the truth is we don't care what you call us, or call the movement. We say Natural Law over Jewish Law or Islamic Law. We say Nationalism and Socialism can be combined in a pure form. We say if you are not of us you are against us. Putting our Race first is the same as the Jews; they just tend to point the finger first. I call it antiaryanism. Stick that in your dictionary.
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Postby Greater Americania » Sun Sep 26, 2010 6:46 pm

Jervak wrote:(Might come back later, black/brownshirts)


We'll be waiting, comrade.
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President: Austin Farley
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Secretary of State: Jason Lee
Secretary of Defense: Shane Tomlinson
Secretary of Federal Security: Ross Ferrell
-Chief of Interior Security Forces: General James Calley
Secretary of Territorial Administration: Brandon Terry
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Postby Newest Accord » Sun Sep 26, 2010 7:01 pm

Abruzi wrote:
Newest Accord wrote:Let me put it this way:
America was created by Western Aryans for Western Aryans; and will be ours alone. So was; and is all our Heritage and Conquest nations. So it is written.
What divided us in the past can no longer be allowed for our race to continue. No more brothers wars.


You sir have read Mein Kampf. Sure there are no direct quotes but the idea was expressed well enough in both your post and said book. While I disagree with your ideology I do applaud your knowledge of your ideology.

Thank you. What is your Ideology then? Read the spoiler on National Socialism in a prior post and then tell me, Ok?
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Postby Newest Accord » Sun Sep 26, 2010 7:07 pm

Grossrheinland Reich wrote:
Newest Accord wrote:Let me put it this way:
America was created by Western Aryans for Western Aryans; and will be ours alone. So was; and is all our Heritage and Conquest nations. So it is written.
What divided us in the past can no longer be allowed for our race to continue. No more brothers wars.


I can imagine the scripture.

1In the beginning there were naught but uncivilized Negroids and Orientals scurrying across the globe.

2Then, the Aryans created America and apple pie.

3And it was good.

:clap: That's good...you brightened up my day.
Remember that the Victors write the history books as they see fit.
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Let's add to this for fun...

4 And lo, did Columbus glide across thy realm; spreading light and goodness upon her people
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Postby Newest Accord » Sun Sep 26, 2010 7:41 pm

Bartolt wrote:National-socialism, or any variant of fascism for that matter, is the best political ideology for making a country strong and unified, assuming that the ruler(s) are devoted, intelligent and charismatic. If you're not a nationalist however, but instead a collectivist or an individualist, then national-socialism is one of the worst ideologies to live under.

EDIT: I am an individualist, and thus anti-nazist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individualist_anarchism
Grab that logo on the right side and you're all set. All anarchists hate law and order; and the immature attitude of "the I" . Self before all others. Anarchists seek to diminish or even abolish authority in the conduct of human relations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Id,_ego,_and_super-ego

Let's look at this briefly.
I The Individual person is born into a family unit and eventually is required to start helping around the house. The family unit; lets call WE; all share certain duties but there is a strict hierarchy within WE. Traditionally; it was Father, Mother, First born, second born etc. in that order. It is the way of things. Modern family units are a mess with no clear roles; and that leads to isolationist activity. Those that take no responsibility for their part of WE are not going to care about the bigger picture; the We all. That is the larger grouping of people in it's simplest form.

The I can be alone; isolated and selfish, or can become part of a greater whole in the form of a cohesive structured unit. It's your choice.
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Postby Panzerjaeger » Sun Sep 26, 2010 8:29 pm

There are Neo-Nazis, Nazis, National Socialists, Strasserists, etc. in these parts which isn't really that surprising these type of sites tend to attract people of the sort.
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Postby Miklesia » Sun Sep 26, 2010 8:30 pm

Greater Americania wrote:
Jervak wrote:And the weaker ones must be crushed right? I can't comprehend how much danger you "people" are to civil liberties and the lives of billions of so-called inferior people. You are a disgusting hate-machine, and should just shut up.


Danger? Shall we compare casualty records?

The Nazis had less time and fewer people to carry out genocide/negligent genocide than the Communists. I'm sure that if the Nazis controlled as many people for the same period of time, they'd have deported more "inferior" men, women, and children to the ovens.
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Postby Panzerjaeger » Sun Sep 26, 2010 8:31 pm

Miklesia wrote:
Greater Americania wrote:
Danger? Shall we compare casualty records?

The Nazis had less time and fewer people to carry out genocide/negligent genocide than the Communists. I'm sure that if the Nazis controlled as many people for the same period of time, they'd have deported more "inferior" men, women, and children to the ovens.

Pol Pot killed about 50% of his population...I don't think the Nazis could even touch that at the best of times nor would they want to.
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Postby Wamitoria » Sun Sep 26, 2010 8:31 pm

Newest Accord wrote:
Grossrheinland Reich wrote:
I can imagine the scripture.

1In the beginning there were naught but uncivilized Negroids and Orientals scurrying across the globe.

2Then, the Aryans created America and apple pie.

3And it was good.

:clap: That's good...you brightened up my day.
Remember that the Victors write the history books as they see fit.
edit:
Let's add to this for fun...

4 And lo, did Columbus glide across thy realm; spreading light and goodness upon her people
Image

Columbus was Italian, does that make Columbus white?
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Postby Panzerjaeger » Sun Sep 26, 2010 8:36 pm

Wamitoria wrote:Columbus was Italian, does that make Columbus white?

Depends on the type of White Nationalist he is. I have heard many claim Mediterranean People and Spaniards should not be considered white...they don't give much of a reason except they are typically swarthy.
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