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Postby GeneralHaNor » Sat Sep 25, 2010 10:37 pm

Grossrheinland Reich wrote:
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I prefer a practical non-descript uniform, useful for not getting hit by the random sniper bullet.

But if you goal is to be down right impressive, intimidating (and let's face it, cool) then yeah....SS Uniforms fit that bill really well


Pshaw. Plain green is the way to go.


Agreed
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Postby Forster Keys » Sun Sep 26, 2010 2:06 am

Newest Accord wrote:It is a defensive posture of love for our race; not hate of others. Each to their own by laws of nature.


Islamics and Jewish are abhorrent to us.


Contradiction yes?
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Postby Forster Keys » Sun Sep 26, 2010 2:07 am

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Look up Aryan; you will see Eastern and Western Branches. We do not accept the Eastern. Nor do we accept the Semitic or Hamitic Caucasian peoples. Islamics and Jewish are abhorrent to us. It is a defensive posture of love for our race; not hate of others. Each to their own by laws of nature.


So your race does not include well most of the human race and yes seriously there is only one human race extant on the face of this planet....or


Hang on this makes sense....Nazis are Neanderthals :lol:


Nazis aren't neanderthals. I like neanderthals.
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Postby Nazis in Space » Sun Sep 26, 2010 2:24 am

Forster Keys wrote:
Newest Accord wrote:It is a defensive posture of love for our race; not hate of others. Each to their own by laws of nature.


Islamics and Jewish are abhorrent to us.


Contradiction yes?
Neither Islam nor Judaism are genetically defined.

So, no.

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Postby Laerod » Sun Sep 26, 2010 2:26 am

Nazis in Space wrote:Neither Islam nor Judaism are genetically defined.

So, no.

It's a bit iffy in the case of Jews since they are seen as an ethnicity as well as a religion.

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Postby Seangoli » Sun Sep 26, 2010 2:49 am

Newest Accord wrote:
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So your race does not include well most of the human race and yes seriously there is only one human race extant on the face of this planet....or


Hang on this makes sense....Nazis are Neanderthals :lol:

Doesn't include African or Asian or mixed-blood hordes; No. And No there's the Human Species; with it's various sub-species. (races)
Neanderthal DNA is actually found in minuscule amount in the high north. That sub-race is virtually extinct.
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For the love of...

Human races are not seperate sub-species. For the love of god, that antiquated and idiotic idea died off quite heartily during the rise of genetics. There is practically no genetic difference between the different "races" of humans, let alone enough to actually say they are different sub-species. Biologically speaking, a sub-species, which is somtimes referred to as a race, is an entirely different idea than how you, or most any cultural idea, define race.

Biological races do not mean the same thing as what you call race. They simply do not mean what you think they mean, in biologic terms.

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Postby Nazis in Space » Sun Sep 26, 2010 2:52 am

Laerod wrote:
Nazis in Space wrote:Neither Islam nor Judaism are genetically defined.

So, no.

It's a bit iffy in the case of Jews since they are seen as an ethnicity as well as a religion.
Well, an ethnicity isn't (Solely) genetically defined, either. There is certainly a decent degree of genetic uniformity throughout the larger jewish (Or muslim) communities, but it's nowhere near uniform enough to call either one a race. Ethnicity I could get behind since in both cases, religion tends to be the single most major factor defining the individual's group identity - even in the case of an atheist 'Jew' or 'Muslim', the atheist individual is still partially defined by the history of his/ her people, and that history is in turn defined largely by their religion.

But that's just nowhere near sufficient to call jews or muslims 'Races'.

Truth be told, the logical course for national socialism would be to do away with the whole 'Race' concept (Not in the sense of 'Races don't exist', but in the sense of 'We're the master race!'), and actually go by the name, using the nation concept instead. One's skin colour doesn't matter - one's ideology does. And a properly assimilated german, regardless of ethnic background, would promptly be, uhm, german. Simply put, it'd be a matter of self-identification.

Historically, this may not strictly have been impossible. Certainly, national socialism espoused the virtue of the germanic master race - well, so did everyone else at the time (Well, they may have called it the 'Anglo-Saxons' or the 'Grande Nation', but it amounts to the same thought process). Sure, there was the whole 'Fuck with the jews' part, which was rather less pronounced in the rest of the world (Although it was there), but on the other hand, during the 1930s? If you happened to be black, you'd likely prefer living in Germany to living in the United States (You'd pick France above either, of course). It's not wholly unthinkable that national socialism could've evolved into a less radical form that would put less emphasis on physical factors, and greater emphasis on self-identification.

After all, modern popular conceptions of national socialism as a 'Kill everyone who isn't us!' & 'Conquer the world!' ideology are nonsense, neither was historically the case. What was the case - conquering eastern europe as a colonial territory to be exploited, and removing the jews one way or another', while hardly peaceful or humanitarian, wasn't really an outlier. It merely happened a decade after such actions had become unfashionable in the west.

And of course, national socialism actually targeted white people. Not brown ones. That is its true 'Crime' to modern, popular conceptions of national socialism as the root of all evil, when it was, in reality, merely the continuation of what western civilisation had done since, well, ever, and (By virtue of targeting white, rather than just brown people for extermination) actually far more egalitarian and less racist than the likes of the great colonial powers.
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Postby Laerod » Sun Sep 26, 2010 2:56 am

Nazis in Space wrote:<snip>

While true, we are discussing New Accord's hypocrisy concerning the claim that he doesn't hate other "races" but finds people of Jewish ethnicity (his belief in which I deduce from his calls for ethnicly homogenous nationstates) abhorrent.
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Postby Nazis in Space » Sun Sep 26, 2010 3:02 am

Laerod wrote:
Nazis in Space wrote:<snip>

While true, we are discussing New Accord's hypocrisy concerning the claim that he doesn't hate other "races" but finds people of Jewish ethnicity (his belief in which I deduce from his calls for ethnicly homogenous nationstates) abhorrent.
I'm pretty sure I covered why it isn't really hypocrisy on account of jews not being a race, no?

Although I'll grant you that he probably uses 'Race' and 'Ethnicity' as synonymous terms, in which case, yeah.

Meh.

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Postby Forster Keys » Sun Sep 26, 2010 3:38 am

Nazis in Space wrote:
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Contradiction yes?
Neither Islam nor Judaism are genetically defined.

So, no.


True, by definition. But still, he's saying he hates Islamic and Jewish people, whilst saying broadly that he doesn't have a position of hate.
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Postby Mikedor » Sun Sep 26, 2010 5:28 am

GeneralHaNor wrote:
Grossrheinland Reich wrote:
Pshaw. Plain green is the way to go.


Agreed
Civilian Clothing is even better
Uniforms identify you to the enemy

Uniforms have the advantage of giving you international legal protection from being shot in the back of the head as a partisan. In theory, anyway.
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Postby Poorisolation » Sun Sep 26, 2010 7:43 am

Mikedor wrote:
GeneralHaNor wrote:
Agreed
Civilian Clothing is even better
Uniforms identify you to the enemy

Uniforms have the advantage of giving you international legal protection from being shot in the back of the head as a partisan. In theory, anyway.


More importantly they increase the odds you won't shot in the back or front by your own side, which is rather an important consideration for those doing it for real.
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Postby Tokos » Sun Sep 26, 2010 8:49 am

Nazis in Space wrote:I'm pretty sure I covered why it isn't really hypocrisy on account of jews not being a race, no?


The Jews themselves would generally disagree.

Although I'll grant you that he probably uses 'Race' and 'Ethnicity' as synonymous terms, in which case, yeah.

Meh.


As "race" isn't really a defined, scientific term, this is acceptable. Sorta.
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Postby Vandengaarde » Sun Sep 26, 2010 9:44 am

Tokos wrote:
Nazis in Space wrote:I'm pretty sure I covered why it isn't really hypocrisy on account of jews not being a race, no?


The Jews themselves would generally disagree.


Any person can convert to Judaism, and thus, it is not a race. Either way, you're arguing semantics.
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Postby Nazis in Space » Sun Sep 26, 2010 9:58 am

Tokos wrote:
Nazis in Space wrote:I'm pretty sure I covered why it isn't really hypocrisy on account of jews not being a race, no?


The Jews themselves would generally disagree.
News to me, considering the considerable animosity between oriental and occidental jews...

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Postby Newest Accord » Sun Sep 26, 2010 5:08 pm

Vandengaarde wrote:
Tokos wrote:
The Jews themselves would generally disagree.


Any person can convert to Judaism, and thus, it is not a race. Either way, you're arguing semantics.

No; we're talking Semitics. Wherever any civilization attempts to build up; a Jew is soon to follow. They are both a race and religion. There are non-Jews that they've converted over; and that's where you're making the mistake.
The majority of countries have removed them from their midst because they are known as the root cause of any civilization's collapse; where they don't control the financial market, and therefore the government.
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Postby Jervak » Sun Sep 26, 2010 5:28 pm

Newest Accord wrote:
Vandengaarde wrote:Any person can convert to Judaism, and thus, it is not a race. Either way, you're arguing semantics.

No; we're talking Semitics. Wherever any civilization attempts to build up; a Jew is soon to follow. They are both a race and religion. There are non-Jews that they've converted over; and that's where you're making the mistake.
The majority of countries have removed them from their midst because they are known as the root cause of any civilization's collapse; where they don't control the financial market, and therefore the government.

The only solution is to re-open Auschwitz.
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Postby Avenio » Sun Sep 26, 2010 5:38 pm

Newest Accord wrote:
Vandengaarde wrote:Any person can convert to Judaism, and thus, it is not a race. Either way, you're arguing semantics.

No; we're talking Semitics. Wherever any civilization attempts to build up; a Jew is soon to follow. They are both a race and religion. There are non-Jews that they've converted over; and that's where you're making the mistake.
The majority of countries have removed them from their midst because they are known as the root cause of any civilization's collapse; where they don't control the financial market, and therefore the government.


I find that incredibly hard to believe, bordering on ludicrous. How on Earth did the 'Semites' cause the Roman Empire to collapse? Or the Alexandrian Empire? Or the Sassanids? Or the Byzantines? Or the Parthians? Or the Holy Romans? Or the Chinese? Or Mongols? Or the Franks? Or Anglo-Saxon England? Or France's Ancien Regime? The list goes on and on.

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Postby Tokos » Sun Sep 26, 2010 5:55 pm

Nazis in Space wrote:News to me, considering the considerable animosity between oriental and occidental jews...


White Europeans are a race, that doesn't stop the Germans and Russians from going at each others' throats, as an example. Jews consider themselves a racial nation.

Conversions are a drop in the ocean, and not encouraged anyway.
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Postby Greater Americania » Sun Sep 26, 2010 5:58 pm

Jervak wrote:The only solution is to re-open Auschwitz.


Maybe you Communists could help out then. After all, you are experts on mass slaughter.
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Postby Abruzi » Sun Sep 26, 2010 6:05 pm

I think now is a good time to drop a 14/88. (not a Nazi)
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Postby Newest Accord » Sun Sep 26, 2010 6:12 pm

Tokos wrote:
Nazis in Space wrote:News to me, considering the considerable animosity between oriental and occidental jews...


White Europeans are a race, that doesn't stop the Germans and Russians from going at each others' throats, as an example. Jews consider themselves a racial nation.

Conversions are a drop in the ocean, and not encouraged anyway.

Let me put it this way:
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Postby Jervak » Sun Sep 26, 2010 6:14 pm

Greater Americania wrote:
Jervak wrote:The only solution is to re-open Auschwitz.


Maybe you Communists could help out then. After all, you are experts on mass slaughter.

Nothing a more the perfect excuse for nationalists to commit atrocities than "National Interests"...
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Postby Abruzi » Sun Sep 26, 2010 6:15 pm

Newest Accord wrote:
Tokos wrote:
White Europeans are a race, that doesn't stop the Germans and Russians from going at each others' throats, as an example. Jews consider themselves a racial nation.

Conversions are a drop in the ocean, and not encouraged anyway.

Let me put it this way:
America was created by Western Aryans for Western Aryans; and will be ours alone. So was; and is all our Heritage and Conquest nations. So it is written.
What divided us in the past can no longer be allowed for our race to continue. No more brothers wars.


You sir have read Mein Kampf. Sure there are no direct quotes but the idea was expressed well enough in both your post and said book. While I disagree with your ideology I do applaud your knowledge of your ideology.
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