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Postby GeneralHaNor » Sat Sep 25, 2010 4:59 am

Only the Occasional stormfront.org invasion
Otherwise, it's usually just random trolls
Victorious Decepticons wrote:If they said "this is what you enjoy so do this" and handed me a stack of my favorite video games, then it'd be far different. But governments don't work that way. They'd hand me a dishrag...
And I'd hand them an insurgency.
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Postby Call to power » Sat Sep 25, 2010 5:01 am

Grossrheinland Reich wrote:They negate each other


this is why I only see a crimson flag...are you like Turkish or something?

Grossrheinland Reich wrote:But are there any actual Neo-Nazis in NSG; that is, people that identify as Neo-Nazis?


are you asking me if I voted for Obama? and they are mostly in the closet on here as far as not daring to actually admit it
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Postby Bartolt » Sat Sep 25, 2010 5:02 am

National-socialism, or any variant of fascism for that matter, is the best political ideology for making a country strong and unified, assuming that the ruler(s) are devoted, intelligent and charismatic. If you're not a nationalist however, but instead a collectivist or an individualist, then national-socialism is one of the worst ideologies to live under.

EDIT: I am an individualist, and thus anti-nazist.
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Grossrheinland Reich wrote:Oi, don't look at me, that's the antifa symbol in the Parteiadler. They negate each other, clearly making me a hippy socialist as I damn well should be at my age.

But are there any actual Neo-Nazis in NSG; that is, people that identify as Neo-Nazis?

*awaits Nazi Flower Power*


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Postby GeneralHaNor » Sat Sep 25, 2010 5:03 am

I imagine a National Socialist would view Obama as a dream candidate
Minus that darkie skin however
That's a deal breaker.
Victorious Decepticons wrote:If they said "this is what you enjoy so do this" and handed me a stack of my favorite video games, then it'd be far different. But governments don't work that way. They'd hand me a dishrag...
And I'd hand them an insurgency.
Trotskylvania wrote:Don't kid yourself. The state is a violent, destructive institution of class dictatorship. The fact that the proles have bargained themselves the drippings from their master's plates doesn't legitimize the state.

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Postby Bartolt » Sat Sep 25, 2010 5:04 am

GeneralHaNor wrote:I imagine a National Socialist would view Obama as a dream candidate
Minus that darkie skin however
That's a deal breaker.


They see him trollin', they hatin'.
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Postby Call to power » Sat Sep 25, 2010 5:16 am

Bartolt wrote:National-socialism, or any variant of fascism for that matter, is the best political ideology for making a country strong and unified


not really Autarky and attacking people of different opinions does not do that, are you one of those "special" sort who claim Germany was improved under a certain someone despite year 10 history teaching you the opposite?

GeneralHaNor wrote:I imagine a National Socialist would view Obama as a dream candidate
Minus that darkie skin however
That's a deal breaker.


not with all that talk of free trade and getting along with your parents you aren't

Grossrheinland Reich wrote:receive parteiadler


no all I see is a crimson flag, are you sure the symbols on the flag don't eliminate each other? :p
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Postby GeneralHaNor » Sat Sep 25, 2010 5:20 am

Call to power wrote:
GeneralHaNor wrote:I imagine a National Socialist would view Obama as a dream candidate
Minus that darkie skin however
That's a deal breaker.


not with all that talk of free trade and getting along with your parents you aren't


I actually don't like my parents, but that's not relevant

Humor aside, If Obama were white, he'd have the skin heads wearing brown shirts for him in no time.
Victorious Decepticons wrote:If they said "this is what you enjoy so do this" and handed me a stack of my favorite video games, then it'd be far different. But governments don't work that way. They'd hand me a dishrag...
And I'd hand them an insurgency.
Trotskylvania wrote:Don't kid yourself. The state is a violent, destructive institution of class dictatorship. The fact that the proles have bargained themselves the drippings from their master's plates doesn't legitimize the state.

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Postby Call to power » Sat Sep 25, 2010 5:26 am

GeneralHaNor wrote:Humor aside, If Obama were white, he'd have the skin heads wearing brown shirts for him in no time.


how when hes a democrat?
The Parkus Empire wrote:Theoretically, why would anyone put anytime into anything but tobacco, intoxicants and sex?

Vareiln wrote:My god, CtP is right...
Not that you haven't been right before, but... Aw, hell, you get what I meant.

Tubbsalot wrote:replace my opinions with CtP's.


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Postby Dystopia420 » Sat Sep 25, 2010 5:26 am

not really Autarky and attacking people of different opinions does not do that, are you one of those "special" sort who claim Germany was improved under a certain someone despite year 10 history teaching you the opposite?



I hate to actually say this...But under Hitler Germany's economy THRIVED. Before he took power German money was worthless. They were literally burning paper money for starting fires. They were in the toilet economically speaking. The Nazis (for all the bad and horrible things that they did to others) actually did a lot to improve Germany. Now I'm not a Nazi or a Neo-Nazi or any other kind of facist. And I understand it's politically incorrect to give Hitler credit for anything good...But read up a little and you will see I am correct.
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Postby Ochry » Sat Sep 25, 2010 5:31 am

GeneralHaNor wrote:I actually don't like my parents, but that's not relevant

Humor aside, If Obama were white, he'd have the skin heads wearing brown shirts for him in no time.


Care to substantiate that by pointing out what parts of his program fascists would love?

In before rubbish about an all-consuming state
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Postby GeneralHaNor » Sat Sep 25, 2010 5:32 am

Ochry wrote:
GeneralHaNor wrote:I actually don't like my parents, but that's not relevant

Humor aside, If Obama were white, he'd have the skin heads wearing brown shirts for him in no time.


Care to substantiate that by pointing out what parts of his program fascists would love?

In before rubbish about an all-consuming state


I'm glad you already claimed my argument was bunk before I made it
Saved me the trouble
Victorious Decepticons wrote:If they said "this is what you enjoy so do this" and handed me a stack of my favorite video games, then it'd be far different. But governments don't work that way. They'd hand me a dishrag...
And I'd hand them an insurgency.
Trotskylvania wrote:Don't kid yourself. The state is a violent, destructive institution of class dictatorship. The fact that the proles have bargained themselves the drippings from their master's plates doesn't legitimize the state.

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Postby Ifreann » Sat Sep 25, 2010 5:33 am

Now that school is back in session, the Nazis are all too busy to post here.

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Postby Ochry » Sat Sep 25, 2010 5:33 am

Grossrheinland Reich wrote:What happen :o

THE TUBES ARE TOO CLOGGED TO RENDER MY FLAG

NOW I AM TO NS A NEW LIBYA


I don't understand the comments about a crimson flag with no symbol; I see it.
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Postby GeneralHaNor » Sat Sep 25, 2010 5:34 am

Grossrheinland Reich wrote:
GeneralHaNor wrote:Humor aside, If Obama were white, he'd have the skin heads wearing brown shirts for him in no time.


my goodness what has gotten into your head


The Individualist Mind Worm

Symptoms include, a desire to preserve Economic and Personal Freedoms at the expense of the state power
General Revolutionary Rhetoric
Incoherency in the Glenn Beck Fashion about "Socialist Liberal plots against Liberty and the designs of our founding fathers"
The usual
Victorious Decepticons wrote:If they said "this is what you enjoy so do this" and handed me a stack of my favorite video games, then it'd be far different. But governments don't work that way. They'd hand me a dishrag...
And I'd hand them an insurgency.
Trotskylvania wrote:Don't kid yourself. The state is a violent, destructive institution of class dictatorship. The fact that the proles have bargained themselves the drippings from their master's plates doesn't legitimize the state.

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Postby Dystopia420 » Sat Sep 25, 2010 5:34 am

Ochry wrote:
Grossrheinland Reich wrote:What happen :o

THE TUBES ARE TOO CLOGGED TO RENDER MY FLAG

NOW I AM TO NS A NEW LIBYA


I don't understand the comments about a crimson flag with no symbol; I see it.




I see it too

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Postby GeneralHaNor » Sat Sep 25, 2010 5:36 am

Call to power wrote:
GeneralHaNor wrote:Humor aside, If Obama were white, he'd have the skin heads wearing brown shirts for him in no time.


how when hes a democrat?


You'd be surprised how many Platform Agenda Points the Democrats share with "National Socialism" is practically a sister ideology
Victorious Decepticons wrote:If they said "this is what you enjoy so do this" and handed me a stack of my favorite video games, then it'd be far different. But governments don't work that way. They'd hand me a dishrag...
And I'd hand them an insurgency.
Trotskylvania wrote:Don't kid yourself. The state is a violent, destructive institution of class dictatorship. The fact that the proles have bargained themselves the drippings from their master's plates doesn't legitimize the state.

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Postby Ifreann » Sat Sep 25, 2010 5:38 am

Grossrheinland Reich wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Now that school is back in session, the Nazis are all too busy to post here.


Nah, all on Stormfront's Youth section.

"HALP NEGROES ARE MAKING MY FOOD"

"MY TEACHER IS A NEGRO-LOVING JEW WHAT DO I DO"

etc

etc

Too busy to post here. Obviously the prioritise Stormfront over us. Fortunately.

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Postby GeneralHaNor » Sat Sep 25, 2010 5:39 am

Grossrheinland Reich wrote:
GeneralHaNor wrote:I'm glad you already claimed my argument was bunk before I made it
Saved me the trouble


That's because it is.

His policies are not National Socialist, he's not National Socialist, how could National Socialists conceivably like him?



Go ahead and read the post above yours
Then sit back and wait while I don't defend that position.
Because I'm tired, and should be sleeping right now
Victorious Decepticons wrote:If they said "this is what you enjoy so do this" and handed me a stack of my favorite video games, then it'd be far different. But governments don't work that way. They'd hand me a dishrag...
And I'd hand them an insurgency.
Trotskylvania wrote:Don't kid yourself. The state is a violent, destructive institution of class dictatorship. The fact that the proles have bargained themselves the drippings from their master's plates doesn't legitimize the state.

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Postby Call to power » Sat Sep 25, 2010 5:42 am

Dystopia420 wrote:I hate to actually say this...But under Hitler Germany's economy THRIVED.


no it really didn't I want a source for your outlandish claims.

The German consumer economy steadily disappeared which meant that the German public was able (or rather was forced) to save to buy holidays and cars* the economy itself also suffered in this period as over half the population was no longer able to work and the skilled workforce being senselessly cut even to the level of doctors

then there is the destruction of the German marketplace to be replaced by incompetent corrupt buffoons (Hermann Göring) and big business that brought them which allowed monopolies to form that where even able to use the German police as tools to destroy rivals

*a thing that was extensively shown by Nazi propaganda of the 1930's hence the western myth

Dystopia420 wrote:Before he took power German money was worthless.


no your thinking of Stresemann
The Parkus Empire wrote:Theoretically, why would anyone put anytime into anything but tobacco, intoxicants and sex?

Vareiln wrote:My god, CtP is right...
Not that you haven't been right before, but... Aw, hell, you get what I meant.

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Postby Dystopia420 » Sat Sep 25, 2010 5:47 am

Call to power wrote:
Dystopia420 wrote:I hate to actually say this...But under Hitler Germany's economy THRIVED.


no it really didn't I want a source for your outlandish claims.

The German consumer economy steadily disappeared which meant that the German public was able (or rather was forced) to save to buy holidays and cars* the economy itself also suffered in this period as over half the population was no longer able to work and the skilled workforce being senselessly cut even to the level of doctors

then there is the destruction of the German marketplace to be replaced by incompetent corrupt buffoons (Hermann Göring) and big business that brought them which allowed monopolies to form that where even able to use the German police as tools to destroy rivals

*a thing that was extensively shown by Nazi propaganda of the 1930's hence the western myth

Dystopia420 wrote:Before he took power German money was worthless.


no your thinking of Stresemann



These statements right here I pulled from http://www.schoolhistory.co.uk/studentf ... topic=3973 I don't have time to look theup all of them. But the ones I have looked up so far seem to be valid

Statements on the Internet on what the Nazis invented/ contributed to the modern world
Volkswagen
KdF
computer, invented by Konrad Zuse 1941.
Jet plane in 1939 by Heinkel Flugzeugwerke.
The first manned rocket flight in 1945 (unfortunately it lasted only some seconds and pilot Lothar Sieber died)
Nazi doctors, in line with their campaign for public health were the first to write a major scientific paper linking smoking with lung cancer, I believe smoking was even banned, for a brief time in the Luftwaffee.
Nazis invented Nerve gasses Sarin and Tabun.
Invented first effective automatic rifle, single person anti-tank weapons (precursors to RPGs).
You can see some magnificant architecture by Speer that was planned in nearly any documentary on the man.
Autobahns
Stealth technolgy was invented by the Horten brothers during the Reich.
Audio technology using magnetic tape was a Third Reich invention. Copying German tape recorders was how the famous American corporation Ampex got its start. Magnetic tape was also essential later for the video tape recorder. Allies hadn't a clue how the Axis was transmitting speeches and programs hours apart to different locations and having them sound "live." It was top of the list of technologies to capture as the war concluded.
Management systems for keeping massive and complex development programs on track was another "invention" transferred to the US, along with its scientists and project managers. These systems allowed the Germans to have developments underway in numerous categories and perform them remarkably well.
The Wankel engine, which is now referred to as the "rotary engine" was invented during the Third Reich. Mazda uses this engine extensively.

Someone mentioned the Autobahnen as really an idea thought up during the Weimar Republic. Yes, but that brings to light another achievement, and that is simply the will and energy to put unemployed workers to work doing things that needed to be done, something the Weimar government was totally inept at doing. "Parliamentary chaos" combined with acquiescence to WWI reparations were the problems.

Missile technology: Ground-to-ground, air-to-air, air-to-ground, ground-to-air, ship-to-ship, etc., using wire guidance, TV guidance, IR guidance (everything but laser quidance). Most of these missiles were not at the highest form of development, but their work launched and made a bundle of money later on for corporations like Boeing, Raytheon, Hughes Aircraft, North American Aviation (Rocketdyne Div.), etc. All of these companies had their German "Chief Scientist" heading up research and development operations.

The promising IR technologies were mostly all developed during the Third Reich. They had "night vision" devices while the Allies were still wondering if such things were possible.

Modern sewer treatment facilities are all derived from Third Reich technology. You've probably seen them with their settling ponds and huge skimmers.

While the Englishman, Farnsworth, gets credit for the invention of a very rudimentary television, it was the Third Reich that perfected television and conducted the first broadcasting.

Application of geophones for seismic wave detection was used for locating artillary.

The "wishbone cannon" was invented and installed at Calais, France. It was destroyed before it was operable.

The "rail gun" was another significant invention, which the US and SU copied. This weapon employes a series of ring magnets to propell a rail mounted projectile. The significant feature of this "gun" is that it can accelerate the projectile at a speed nearing infinity -- at least in theory. Conventional explosives are limited by their individual, finite rates of expansion and hence constrained in how fast they can make a projectile move.

The intial "invention" of the Third Reich that made everything possible was the breaking away from the international banking system, which made its money on debt finance; i.e., usury. This act was probably the most important event which caused WWII to later occur. In the Thirties the German economy was booming and all sorts of new humane benefits were granted to workers. Elsewhere, deep economic depression was underway, and Roosevelt, for instance, really couldn't get things to moving until we went into a war economy mode.

In all, 300,000 patents and copyrights were expropriated from Germany by the Allies after 1945.

The Fischer-Tropsch process to produce synthetic fuels from coal, which fueled Germany's armed forces throughout the war.

The dicovery of the ingesting of faecal bacteria to cure gut problems
http://www.rense.com/general4/bac.htm

Dr Morell used his Mutaflor to treat Hitler's foul smelling stools. And used today as Symbioflor http://www.biosym.dk..._symbioflor.htm

The chemical enhancing of soldiers' ability to fight
http://www.rense.com...l34/enhance.htm

During the Nazi era, German scientists and engineers either developed or greatly improved television, jet-propelled aircraft (including the ejection seat), guided missiles, electronic computers, the electron microscope, atomic fission, data-processing technologies, pesticides, and, of course, the world's first industrial murder complexes. The first magnetic tape recording was of a speech by Hitler, and the nerve gases Sarin and Tabun were Nazi inventions.

Third Reich scientists also performed extensive work in the area of occupational carcinogenesis. Physicians documented the health hazards of asbestos, and in 1943 Germany became the first nation to recognize lung cancer and mesothelioma caused by asbestos inhalation as compensable occupational illnesses.
Nazi Germany also pioneered what we now call experimental epidemiology: two striking papers -- a 1939 article by Franz H. Müller of Cologne, and a 1943 paper by Eberhard Schairer and Erich Schöniger of Jena -- presented the most convincing demonstrations up to that time that cigarettes were a major cause of lung cancer.

Inflatable sex doll - Dr. Rudolf Chargeheimer, a psychiatrist appointed by Himmler to help develop the prototype, wrote that "the purpose and goal of the dolls is to relieve our soldiers. They have to fight and not to mingle with 'foreign women.'"

The opiate drugs methadone (the heroin substitute) and pethidine (a powerful pain killer) were Nazi inventions.

Our society, in fact Western society in general, absorbed as much of the Nazi technology and social control mechanisms as we could lay our grubby hands on. Turbine engines (the kind on airplanes and in powerplants), modern aircraft designs, rockets, superhighways, propaganda techniques, political manipulation, modern insecticides, nerve gas and audiotape are all Nazi inventions. We didn't invent them, and we weren't working on them at the same time. We took them from the Nazis wholesale (and we were entirely right to do so). Oddly, I'm not hearing anyone getting bent out of shape about the existence of freeways. http://billrushing.org/id169.html

Much of what we know about hypothermia (re-warming techniques and cold-water suits) comes, chillingly, from Nazi medical experiments.
http://www.jlaw.com/.../NaziMedEx.html

Custom-designed, IBM-produced punch cards, sorted by IBM machines leased to the Nazis, helped organize and manage the initial identification and social expulsion of Jews and others, the confiscation of their property, their ghettoization, their deportation, and, ultimately, even their extermination.
IBM's German subsidiary was Deutsche Hollerith Maschinen Gesellschaft, known by the acronym Dehomag.
For example, one series of punch cards was designed to record religion, national origin, and mother tongue, but by creating special columns and rows for Jew, Polish language, Polish nationality, the fur trade as an occupation, and then Berlin, Nazis could quickly cross-tabulate, at the rate of 25,000 cards per hour, exactly how many Berlin furriers were Jews of Polish extraction. Railroad cars, which could take two weeks to locate and route, could be swiftly dispatched in just 48 hours by means of a vast network of punch-card machines. Indeed, IBM services coursed through the entire German infrastructure in Europe.

Microwave cooking (necessary for troops in Russia)

Other sources I was reading include http://www.johndclare.net/Nazi_Germany3 ... utter.html
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Ifreann wrote:Now that school is back in session, the Nazis are all too busy to post here.


its a Saturday.

GeneralHaNor wrote:SNIP


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The Parkus Empire wrote:Theoretically, why would anyone put anytime into anything but tobacco, intoxicants and sex?

Vareiln wrote:My god, CtP is right...
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Postby Dystopia420 » Sat Sep 25, 2010 5:48 am

1. Employment

• In June 1933, the Nazis passed a Law to Reduce Unemployment.

• The RAD (National Labour Service) sent men on public works; eg the autobahns.

• Government spending rose, 1932–38 from about 5 billion to 30 billion marks.

• Unemployment fell from nearly 6 million to virtually nothing.

• Hitler built up the armed forces (e.g. conscription took 1 million unemployed).

• The soldiers needed equipment, so this set steel mills, coal mines and factories back into production. The Luftwaffe gave jobs to fitters, engineers and designers.

• The Nazi state machinery needed thousands of clerks, prison guards etc.




2. Farming

• By the 1933 Farm Law, farmers were assured of sales and given subsidies.

• The government kept food prices at the 1928 level.



• BUT farmers were organised into the Reich Food Estate and strictly controlled (e.g., one rule stated that hens must lay 65 eggs a year).




3. Industry

• The New Plan of 1934 stopped imports, and subsidised industry. This is called 'Autarky' - the belief that Germany should be self-sufficient.

• Production rose, especially of oil, steel, coal and explosives.

• In 1936, Goering was put in charge. His Four Year Plan proposed to get the army and industry ready for war in four years.

• Employers were happy when workers were well disciplined.



• BUT businesses were strictly controlled; they could be told to make something different/ were not allowed to raise wages/ workers could be sent to other factories.

• Goering said: ‘Iron makes an empire strong; butter only makes people fat’.

• Economists know now that these policies cause massive economic problems.




4. Conditions

• The Nazis tried to make people proud (e.g. the film The Beauty of Work in 1934).



• BUT trade unions were banned and all workers had to join the German Labour Front. They lost their right to strike for better pay and conditions.

• Wages actually fell.

• People who refused to work were imprisoned.

• Wages and conditions on the RAD schemes were very poor.




5. Strength through Joy (KdF) Movement

• Workers were offered cut-price holidays, theatre trips and concerts. In Berlin, 1933–38, the KdF sponsored 134,000 events for 32 million people (2 million went on cruises & weekend trips, and 11 million on theatre trips).

• The KdF designed the Volkswagen (or ‘People’s Car’) ‘Beetle’, which it was planned to be able to buy for 5 marks a week.

• The government made sure that everybody could get a cheap radio.

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Postby Dystopia420 » Sat Sep 25, 2010 5:50 am

Look I can be wrong. I would just like you to also post sources for your claims as well....

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Postby Dystopia420 » Sat Sep 25, 2010 5:51 am

Another good article can be found here http://www.helsinki.fi/iehc2006/papers3/Spoerer85.pdf

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