Banning the Burqa now has a slogan and logo

[Equimanthon]

Fuck 'em. It's his property, he can say what he wants.

This.

[Wildeson]

What is the point of banning the Burqa? I honestly don't see one.

The politicians who want to ban the Burqa find that the Burqa is very degrading for women to wear because it is a symbol of sexism since they're forced by their husbands to wear it.

That's not my opinion; i'm just sharing info.

[Vortiaganica]

What is the point of banning the Burqa? I honestly don't see one.

The politicians who want to ban the Burqa find that the Burqa is very degrading for women to wear because it is a symbol of sexism since they're forced by their husbandsreligion to wear it.

That's not my opinion; i'm just sharing info.

Corrected. It is a very big difference.

[The Parkus Empire]

I'm somewhat tempted to paint a mural of a similar sign, except with pants in it.

[Blouman Empire]

I always thought it was an obvious secular troll, after all France "the country that prides itself on being secular" has banned it.

Australia is very christian. :/

If by that you mean that there are a lot of Christians in Australia then you are correct if by that you mean that Australia is a Christian country in the same way that America is a Christian country then you are very wrong, oh so wrong. Of course if you would like to prove that the man in question is a Christian then your claim may have more credibility (not much but more)

[Blouman Empire]

I'm somewhat tempted to paint a mural of a similar sign, except with pants in it.

Ban tight jeans on men?

[South Lorenya]

Stick a 'BAN THE BIBLE' mural next to it; then both sides have equal public exposure muralwise.

[Innsmothe]

I'm somewhat tempted to paint a mural of a similar sign, except with pants in it.

Ban tight jeans on men?

Dont. You. Dare.

[South Lorenya]

I'm somewhat tempted to paint a mural of a similar sign, except with pants in it.

Ban tight jeans on men?

Ban all tight clothes. Especially unredeemably evil sadistic hypercon antiamerican terrorist pro-taliban hellspawn deathnooses ties.

[Call to power]

The local council has admitted it has no grounds to ask the gentleman to remove his "artwork", but is seeking avenues to try and make him remove it.

obviously someone should burn down his workshop then so the legislative finally pulls its head out of its ass.

or if you want to keep it legal and art community friendly I say you paint a mural of a woman choosing to wear some perfectly Australian clothes and having the shit kicked out of her by a bunch of skinheads "for not integrating enough"...something like that anyway I would of said black person being hung but that might be too far

While I don't agree with the sentiment expressed in the mural, or with the method used to express his opinion, I do believe he has a right to express it. Many others believe that the harmony of the community is more important than his right to express it, and that he is causing offence and hurt to the Muslim minority through his actions.

if I can't have gay sex in public why can he get to spew hateful images onto the public? never mind that Australia should be all for Burqas what with your views on women with small breasts

It obscures the majority of their face. Think about it: If you walked around in public with a ski mask on (and it wasn't cold) you'd get asked questions pretty quick.

but you wouldn't be discriminated against for choosing to wear a mask, unlike say if you happened to wear a piece of clothing from a group that suddenly everyone has a problem with

I'm somewhat tempted to paint a mural of a similar sign, except with pants in it.

will you accommodate British speakers and ban my underwear too?

[Jingoist Hippostan]

What is the point of banning the Burqa? I honestly don't see one.

Here's an actually valid argument:

It obscures the majority of their face. Think about it: If you walked around in public with a ski mask on (and it wasn't cold) you'd get asked questions pretty quick. While a lot of this is certainly motivated by xenophobia, I'd say there is at least a somewhat legitimate concern of people wearing everyday dress that makes them totally unidentifiable were they to commit a crime.

AWW SHIT I DONE MADE A REAL ARGUMENT

This isn't a valid argument. If you were forced to identify yourself to everybody in public there would be no reason not to make wearing name tags mandatory.[/quote]

Saying something isn't valid doesn't make it so. That's a pathetic counterargument - making your face at least partially visible is quite a bit different than making everyone wear name tags. "Identifiable in public" is different from "forced to identify yourself."

but you wouldn't be discriminated against for choosing to wear a mask, unlike say if you happened to wear a piece of clothing from a group that suddenly everyone has a problem with

I'd say you would be, actually. There's a good chance, depending on the area, that wearing a ski mask on a normal day would yield to extreme nervousness on the part of those around you, suspicious person reports, and possible police harassment/requests to remove the mask. Publicly wearing a mask is restricted in some ways in many states. Here's a link.

http://www.anapsid.org/cnd/mcs/maskcodes.html#IOWA

Sorry, I couldn't find any for Australia.

[Equimanthon]

Corrected. It is a very big difference.

Islam doesn't require women to wear the Burqa, so no, you haven't corrected anything.

[Hamilay]

Saying something isn't valid doesn't make it so. That's a pathetic counterargument - making your face at least partially visible is quite a bit different than making everyone wear name tags. "Identifiable in public" is different from "forced to identify yourself.".

How exactly is justifying forcing people to be identifiable to the public different to forcing them to identify themselves?

I don't see how seeing people's faces is any more of a right than knowing people's names.

[Juristonia]

The politicians who want to ban the Burqa find that the Burqa is very degrading for women to wear because it is a symbol of sexism since they're forced by their husbandsreligion to wear it.

That's not my opinion; i'm just sharing info.

Corrected. It is a very big difference.

An inaccurate one.
The Quaran says nothing about women having to wear a Burqa.
It's cultural attire, not religious.

[Equimanthon]

An inaccurate one.
The Quaran says nothing about women having to wear a Burqa.
It's cultural attire, not religious.

See my post, just above.

[Juristonia]

Great minds, etc.

[New Chalcedon]

A shop owner in Sydney has made public his opinion regarding the burqa in a most provocative way by painting a mural on the outside wall of his shop. The local council has admitted it has no grounds to ask the gentleman to remove his "artwork", but is seeking avenues to try and make him remove it.

While I don't agree with the sentiment expressed in the mural, or with the method used to express his opinion, I do believe he has a right to express it. Many others believe that the harmony of the community is more important than his right to express it, and that he is causing offence and hurt to the Muslim minority through his actions.

Security guards have recently been posted to prevent vandalism to the mural. I do believe that if he has opened the doors to debate through placing a mural in a place easily viewable by the public, that people should have a right to answer his opinion with their own thoughts. However, it is his property.

Should he be forced to remove the mural to appease the community at large, who, Muslim or not, have expressed distaste for it? Or does his right to free expression of his opinion trump the community harmony?

NB: As this is in AUSTRALIA please remember that AUSTRALIANS do not have a guaranteed right to free speech. It is implied in our Constitution but not explicitly stated. So please remember that the US Constitution, Supreme Court etc are completely irrelevant.

However, in Australian Capital Television v. Cth (1992), the Australian High Court ruled that freedom of speech was an applicable right in Australia - at least, as it pertained in the political sense.

Furthermore, I agree with both his right to express his opinion, and the opinion itself. The Burqa is a divisive, un-Australian way of dressing, and only serves to create and reinforce tensions between Isalmic Australians and non-Islamic Australians.

[Juristonia]

Ah yes, very un-Australian.

Everyone else walks around like this:

[Coccygia]

Hmmm...ignorant racist bigot vs. horrible oppressive religion.

I say we throw 'em both off a roof and see which one hits the ground first.

[The Alma Mater]

I dislike this one. I find it in poor taste. And the artwork and technique is something I would expect out of a 5 year old.

It kind of made me chuckle actually. Reminds me of the Ghost Busters symbol.

I actually have heard small children yelling "Help ! A ghost " when they first saw burqas. So... perhaps intentional ?

[Conserative Morality]

Ban all tight clothes. Especially unredeemably evil sadistic hypercon antiamerican terrorist pro-taliban hellspawn deathnooses ties.

You monster. Ties are great.

[New Chalcedon]

Hmmm...ignorant racist bigot vs. horrible oppressive religion.

I say we throw 'em both off a roof and see which one hits the ground first.

Thanks for explicitly making that fallacy: apparently, according to you, opposing a "horrible oppressive religion" makes one an "ignorant racist bigot" - UNLESS the religion in question is Christianity, of course. Hypocrite.

[Traxa]

I'm somewhat tempted to paint a mural of a similar sign, except with pants in it.

Ban tight jeans on men?

This is an issue everyone could get behind

[New Chalcedon]

Ban tight jeans on men?

This is an issue everyone could get behind

Um, NO!!

I happen to like the sight of a good pair of jeans gently caressing the curves of a nice guy's athletic behind.....oh, wait, you were being sarcastic.

[Blouman Empire]

This is an issue everyone could get behind

Um, NO!!

I happen to like the sight of a good pair of jeans gently caressing the curves of a nice guy's athletic behind.....oh, wait, you were being sarcastic.

It's when it's not on an athletic behind but one that is not there is the problem