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Postby Norstal » Wed Sep 22, 2010 7:11 pm

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Siorafrica wrote:American politics; flip a coin, you lose either way.


What if it lands on the side?

... LIBERTARIAN PARTY!

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No, that would be the communist party, since the coin bears equal weight.

Libertarian is where the coin vanishes.
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Postby Achaea-Graecia » Wed Sep 22, 2010 7:12 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:How bout you concede your own biased against them. You make sensationalist claims with false information, and act suprised when people call you on your bs.

Well, I don't really have much of a problem with the Middle East, in fact I doubt that they were responsible for the 9/11 terrorist attacks (note I say "I doubt," not "I have definitive proof against"), but you can see the protesters in NYC believing the mosque they want to build is some victory shrine by someone who had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11. Perhaps the people of his creed did, but he is simply promoting tolerance.

Anyways, your issue was, "Why aren't these people considered terrorists when they obviously were?!" and I gave a simple reason. 9/11 was the largest scale attack on US soil since the 19th century, and the majority of people believe that the Muslims were involved. Plenty of Muslims are Middle Eastern born, and incidentally, they also have beards. Although I don't know why I included that beard part. It may have been influenced by Jackass's "Terror Taxi"
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Postby American Capitalist » Wed Sep 22, 2010 7:13 pm

Norstal wrote:
Christmahanikwanzikah wrote:
What if it lands on the side?

... LIBERTARIAN PARTY!

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No, that would be the communist party, since the coin bears equal weight.

Libertarian is where the coin vanishes.

Then the Green party would be where the coin keeps on flipping forever grows a beard and puts on a tin foil hat.
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Postby Redslavia » Wed Sep 22, 2010 7:14 pm

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Norstal wrote:No, that would be the communist party, since the coin bears equal weight.

Libertarian is where the coin vanishes.

Then the Green party would be where the coin keeps on flipping forever grows a beard and puts on a tin foil hat.


What would Fascist Military Dictatorship be then for the coin?
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Postby American Capitalist » Wed Sep 22, 2010 7:15 pm

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American Capitalist wrote:Then the Green party would be where the coin keeps on flipping forever grows a beard and puts on a tin foil hat.


What would Fascist Military Dictatorship be then for the coin?

The Coin would land on someones head and knock them out.
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Postby Christmahanikwanzikah » Wed Sep 22, 2010 7:15 pm

Norstal wrote:
Christmahanikwanzikah wrote:
What if it lands on the side?

... LIBERTARIAN PARTY!

>.>
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No, that would be the communist party, since the coin bears equal weight.

Libertarian is where the coin vanishes.


The proletariat doesn't get to have spare quarters to flip, so there isn't a Communist Party on the coin. :P

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Postby Redslavia » Wed Sep 22, 2010 7:16 pm

American Capitalist wrote:
Redslavia wrote:
What would Fascist Military Dictatorship be then for the coin?

The Coin would land on someones head and knock them out.


*Goes to assault the nearest person by throwing a coin at their head* Thanks for the info.
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Postby Jostedule » Wed Sep 22, 2010 7:18 pm

Christmahanikwanzikah wrote:
Norstal wrote:No, that would be the communist party, since the coin bears equal weight.

Libertarian is where the coin vanishes.


The proletariat doesn't get to have spare quarters to flip, so there isn't a Communist Party on the coin. :P


It would just explode, because communism never works, nor do exploding coins.

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Postby Holy Paradise » Wed Sep 22, 2010 7:25 pm

Wilgrove wrote:How come the TEA Party isn't considered a terrorist organization by now? After the Healthcare bill was pass, several members of Congress received death threats, one of them even had their office trashed. They yell racial slur at one member of congress and hold up signs saying that next time they may come armed. Some of them do come armed at these protest. However, instead of being regarded as a terrorist organization, or at least a hate organization, they're being nominated to run for political office.

Why am I regarding them as terrorist? Because they do use fear to get what they want, they've already proven that they're willing to intimidate and threaten members of our country if they don't get what they want, and they've already proven that they're not shy about coming to their protest armed. We have Sarah Palin and Rush Limbaugh egging them on ever so slightly.

The whole thing reminds me of when the KKK had several of it's members in political power.

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Wilgrove, you used to be more reasonable of a poster. Seriously, this is complete foolishness.

The Tea Party is not a terrorist organization. An "astroturf" organization? I could see that argument. A far-right party? Sure. But terrorists, they are not.

By throwing out these inane accusations, you are doing the same thing that many have criticized the Tea Party for. Pot, I have a friend named Kettle. Now, he's sensitive about his color, but being that you share that same color, I don't think that'll be an issue.
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Postby Norstal » Wed Sep 22, 2010 7:31 pm

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Wilgrove wrote:How come the TEA Party isn't considered a terrorist organization by now? After the Healthcare bill was pass, several members of Congress received death threats, one of them even had their office trashed. They yell racial slur at one member of congress and hold up signs saying that next time they may come armed. Some of them do come armed at these protest. However, instead of being regarded as a terrorist organization, or at least a hate organization, they're being nominated to run for political office.

Why am I regarding them as terrorist? Because they do use fear to get what they want, they've already proven that they're willing to intimidate and threaten members of our country if they don't get what they want, and they've already proven that they're not shy about coming to their protest armed. We have Sarah Palin and Rush Limbaugh egging them on ever so slightly.

The whole thing reminds me of when the KKK had several of it's members in political power.

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Wilgrove, you used to be more reasonable of a poster. Seriously, this is complete foolishness.

The Tea Party is not a terrorist organization. An "astroturf" organization? I could see that argument. A far-right party? Sure. But terrorists, they are not.

By throwing out these inane accusations, you are doing the same thing that many have criticized the Tea Party for. Pot, I have a friend named Kettle. Now, he's sensitive about his color, but being that you share that same color, I don't think that'll be an issue.

But see, they used terror in their campaign. Death threats are terrorism because it terrorizes people. If they used terror in their campaign, they are terrorists.

They are, however, not a terrorist organization, because they are not organized.
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Postby Old Erisia » Wed Sep 22, 2010 7:41 pm

US definition of terrorism...

I don't particularly like the tea party. But they haven't preformed any terrorist activities... that we know of... Cue the expanded powers to investigate terrorism stat! We probably won't find anything but grumpy gun owners, but it will rain on their parade for a looooong time...
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Postby JJ Place » Wed Sep 22, 2010 7:42 pm

Wilgrove wrote:How come the TEA Party isn't considered a terrorist organization by now? After the Healthcare bill was pass, several members of Congress received death threats, one of them even had their office trashed. They yell racial slur at one member of congress and hold up signs saying that next time they may come armed. Some of them do come armed at these protest. However, instead of being regarded as a terrorist organization, or at least a hate organization, they're being nominated to run for political office.

Why am I regarding them as terrorist? Because they do use fear to get what they want, they've already proven that they're willing to intimidate and threaten members of our country if they don't get what they want, and they've already proven that they're not shy about coming to their protest armed. We have Sarah Palin and Rush Limbaugh egging them on ever so slightly.

The whole thing reminds me of when the KKK had several of it's members in political power.

Thoughts?



In Ever group, you're going to get a terrorist few if your large enough; if the Tea Party was to be considered a Terrorist Organization, PETA, Green Peace, and any large anti-war rally also have to be classified as Terrorist Organizations.
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Postby Cobhanglica » Wed Sep 22, 2010 7:43 pm

Because they haven't killed anyone or launched any attacks yet. Anyway, the whole TP is useless in my opinion. They have the ideology and the passion to return America to her roots, but they lack sufficient organization or expertise to be a considerable force at the moment.
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Postby Jingoist Hippostan » Wed Sep 22, 2010 7:53 pm

If I show up at a Star Wars Fanclub meeting with a gun, will you demand they be listed as a terrorist organization?

The Tea Party is not a terrorist organization until it organizes and carries out violence. Which it hasn't. It would also help if "Tea Party" was not a catch-all term for numerous different organizations. There isn't one "Tea Party" to hold collectively accountable even if one group were to commit terrorism.

In conclusion, you really could've answered this question yourself if you'd thought about it.
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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Sep 22, 2010 8:09 pm

Wilgrove wrote:How come the TEA Party isn't considered a terrorist organization by now? After the Healthcare bill was pass, several members of Congress received death threats, one of them even had their office trashed. They yell racial slur at one member of congress and hold up signs saying that next time they may come armed. Some of them do come armed at these protest. However, instead of being regarded as a terrorist organization, or at least a hate organization, they're being nominated to run for political office.

Why am I regarding them as terrorist? Because they do use fear to get what they want, they've already proven that they're willing to intimidate and threaten members of our country if they don't get what they want, and they've already proven that they're not shy about coming to their protest armed. We have Sarah Palin and Rush Limbaugh egging them on ever so slightly.

The whole thing reminds me of when the KKK had several of it's members in political power.

Thoughts?

Individuals in a group performing actions do not a group condemn. To say they are a terrorist organization we would need proof these orders were coming from the group and not just the more passionate members of a group.

US code defines terrorism
the term "terrorism" means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents; as

This breaks into the following elements.
1 Premeditated
2 Politically motivated
3. Against noncombatants.
4. By sub-national groups
or 5. clandestine agents.
1-3 are arguably fulfilled as is 5. So individual actors can be labeled terrorist.
Where as 4, we have no proof of the violence being perpetrated by the tea party as a whole.
IF we were to allow violence perpetrated by individuals during times of great passion to outlaw entire organizations from the political process almost no political party would be in existence today.
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Wed Sep 22, 2010 8:41 pm

Cobhanglica wrote:Because they haven't killed anyone or launched any attacks yet. Anyway, the whole TP is useless in my opinion. They have the ideology and the passion to return America to her roots, but they lack sufficient organization or expertise to be a considerable force at the moment.


Oh i dunno, Country is in a recession, still dealing with a war thats cost bazillions of dollars, ineffectual government that spends its time trying to appease the rest of the world rather than its own people. Oppositionist party, supported by some people in the government already. Sound familiar to anyone?


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Postby OMGeverynameistaken » Wed Sep 22, 2010 9:00 pm

Christmahanikwanzikah wrote:
Norstal wrote:No, that would be the communist party, since the coin bears equal weight.

Libertarian is where the coin vanishes.


The proletariat doesn't get to have spare quarters to flip, so there isn't a Communist Party on the coin. :P

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Postby HairyHares » Wed Sep 22, 2010 9:01 pm

How come the TEA Party isn't considered a terrorist organization by now?
I agree that the tactics verge on terrorism , but they don't seem to be organized to the extent you could call the whole tea party a terrorist group . They seem to be willing to accept any one who can yell a lot about what they want . I don't know about any one else but I have no idea what they do want , how they plan on getting it etc etc . It is worrisome because folks are frustrated and scared and are willing to listen to just about anything or any body who can yell loud enough .
:roll: The other factor here is that terrorism is defined by different countries in different ways , but all of them have a tendency to make sure the definition does not include what they themselves are doing. I think there are some 500 or so definitions of terrorism :lol: It down right amazing how many countries are not committing any at all . :eek: Why those large craters, burning buildings and dead people just dropped out of the sky last Tuesday no idea where they came from

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Postby Cazelia » Wed Sep 22, 2010 9:07 pm

Jesus Christ, how many threads do you need about the Tea Party on one fucking forum? Seriously, this is getting really tiring. Get over the fact that the Tea Party exists, and start focusing on something else.
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Postby Militsia » Wed Sep 22, 2010 9:42 pm

Wilgrove wrote:How come the TEA Party isn't considered a terrorist organization by now? After the Healthcare bill was pass, several members of Congress received death threats, one of them even had their office trashed.

That is not terrorism, that is just normal crime. We got agencies to handle that.
They yell racial slur at one member of congress

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and hold up signs saying that next time they may come armed. Some of them do come armed at these protest.

It is their second amendment rights.
However, instead of being regarded as a terrorist organization, or at least a hate organization, they're being nominated to run for political office.

There are some scary teabaggers, but the movement as a whole is not.
Why am I regarding them as terrorist? Because they do use fear to get what they want, they've already proven that they're willing to intimidate and threaten members of our country if they don't get what they want, and they've already proven that they're not shy about coming to their protest armed. We have Sarah Palin and Rush Limbaugh egging them on ever so slightly.

The whole thing reminds me of when the KKK had several of it's members in political power.

Thoughts?
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Postby Holy Paradise » Wed Sep 22, 2010 9:46 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Cobhanglica wrote:Because they haven't killed anyone or launched any attacks yet. Anyway, the whole TP is useless in my opinion. They have the ideology and the passion to return America to her roots, but they lack sufficient organization or expertise to be a considerable force at the moment.


Oh i dunno, Country is in a recession, still dealing with a war thats cost bazillions of dollars, ineffectual government that spends its time trying to appease the rest of the world rather than its own people. Oppositionist party, supported by some people in the government already. Sound familiar to anyone?


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Gotta love that Godwin's Law. So damn good.

The Tea Party is nowhere close to the ideological extremism that the Nazi Party advocated. Nowhere close.
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Wed Sep 22, 2010 9:49 pm

Holy Paradise wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Oh i dunno, Country is in a recession, still dealing with a war thats cost bazillions of dollars, ineffectual government that spends its time trying to appease the rest of the world rather than its own people. Oppositionist party, supported by some people in the government already. Sound familiar to anyone?


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Gotta love that Godwin's Law. So damn good.

The Tea Party is nowhere close to the ideological extremism that the Nazi Party advocated. Nowhere close.



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Postby Holy Paradise » Wed Sep 22, 2010 9:49 pm

Cazelia wrote:Jesus Christ, how many threads do you need about the Tea Party on one fucking forum? Seriously, this is getting really tiring. Get over the fact that the Tea Party exists, and start focusing on something else.

You have not been around NS General long enough yet.

It's always "conservative this, right-winger that."
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Wed Sep 22, 2010 9:51 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Holy Paradise wrote:
Gotta love that Godwin's Law. So damn good.

The Tea Party is nowhere close to the ideological extremism that the Nazi Party advocated. Nowhere close.



Sarcasm is wasited on you :palm:

It's wasted, not wasited. Spelling is wasted on you.
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Sarcasm is wasited on you :palm:

It's wasted, not wasited. Spelling is wasted on you.


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