Uneducated Police

[Person012345]

I mis-spoke then. The "Yes" at the beggining was not answering the beggining of your sentence, it was meant to answer whether I would call it a strawman argument or not.

Logicfail

[Bendira]

I did no such thing. I attacked his credibility and his convictions in his beliefs. I never implied his beliefs were wrong, just that he wasn't willing to sacrifice to stand up for what he believes. I never called him a coward.

So then where is your debate? It just sounds like a personal attack to me.

Which is all that has been made against me for 30 some pages now. A majority of their argument is based on the fact that I must be young if I support anarchy (no idea where that idea comes from). They are attributing some weird stigma about anarchists being against security to my position. They have called me stupid because my opinion is in the minority. And they seem to have this idea that if you speak out against democracy, you are evil.

[Bendira]

I mis-spoke then. The "Yes" at the beggining was not answering the beggining of your sentence, it was meant to answer whether I would call it a strawman argument or not.

Logicfail

i already admitted I mis-spoke.

[Person012345]

Logicfail

i already admitted I mis-spoke.

Thing is, you either mis-spoke again when you were explaining your mis-speak, or you simply confirmed what your opponent was saying, hence logicfail.

[Bendira]

i already admitted I mis-spoke.

Thing is, you either mis-spoke again when you were explaining your mis-speak, or you simply confirmed what your opponent was saying, hence logicfail.

I was explaining my mis-spoken mis-speak for a second time. Im not denying it is a logic fail

[Person012345]

Which is all that has been made against me for 30 some pages now.

There really hasn't, although this persecution complex is making me understand why you're an anarchist.

[Achaea-Graecia]

I plan on practicing civil disobedience in the future, but only after I finish up college.

Can I LOL at this?

Yes you can.

[Northern Itasca]

Duh? Many police officers are those who decided against college and then failed to get into the military. In short, thugs with a badge. Add that to the fact that the police instantly close ranks against any sort of repercussions, and you end up with a law enforcement culture that needs to be scrapped.

You're an idiot. At least in the US something like 46 of the states require that officers have at least a two year degree and many larger agencies won't hire officers unless they have a 4 year degree. And all of them even those without a degree have a hell of a lot more common sense than you.

[Person012345]

Thing is, you either mis-spoke again when you were explaining your mis-speak, or you simply confirmed what your opponent was saying, hence logicfail.

I was explaining my mis-spoken mis-speak for a second time. Im not denying it is a logic fail

Now I'm confused.

[Bendira]

Which is all that has been made against me for 30 some pages now.

There really hasn't, although this persecution complex is making me understand why you're an anarchist.

It really is though. And if it isn't, I apologize but a few certain people made it seem that way by spamming rude comments repeatedly throughout the course of the thread. I personally don't remember making any ground on this topic though on the relevant part of the debate. The whole time was wasted trying to defend myself from what I perceived to be unfounded personal attacks.

[Bendira]

Can I LOL at this?

Yes you can.

Can you answer my question from earlier, where I asked you where you personally feel the justification for your job comes from? Like, what sets you apart from a murderer or a kidnapper? Is there any ethical consideration to your job whatsoever?

[Sibirsky]

Duh? Many police officers are those who decided against college and then failed to get into the military. In short, thugs with a badge. Add that to the fact that the police instantly close ranks against any sort of repercussions, and you end up with a law enforcement culture that needs to be scrapped.

You're an idiot. At least in the US something like 46 of the states require that officers have at least a two year degree and many larger agencies won't hire officers unless they have a 4 year degree. And all of them even those without a degree have a hell of a lot more common sense than you.

Source? While a degree in Criminal Justice helps, most departments do not require it. You may also want to cut out the personal attacks.

[Person012345]

Yes you can.

Can you answer my question from earlier, where I asked you where you personally feel the justification for your job comes from? Like, what sets you apart from a murderer or a kidnapper? Is there any ethical consideration to your job whatsoever?

A murderer/kidnapper does not lay out his rules, which are approved of by the majority of people who have to follow them. A murderer/kidnapper does not look for ways other than kidnapping or murder in order to resolve a dispute of these rules. A murderer/kidnapper is out to murder and kidnap. Most police officers haven't killed anyone or cause undue psychological trauma to anyone.

[Bendira]

Can you answer my question from earlier, where I asked you where you personally feel the justification for your job comes from? Like, what sets you apart from a murderer or a kidnapper? Is there any ethical consideration to your job whatsoever?

A murderer/kidnapper does not lay out his rules, which are approved of by the majority of people who have to follow them. A murderer/kidnapper does not look for ways other than kidnapping or murder in order to resolve a dispute of these rules. A murderer/kidnapper is out to murder and kidnap. Most police officers haven't killed anyone or cause undue psychological trauma to anyone.

Me and my friends get together in a warehouse in the center of town. We put an ad out in the paper letting people know they should come vote for local police chief. Only 20 people show up to vote. They vote me in as police chief. All 20 of us write down one very simple rule "No Breatheing Allowed unless you are a public official or civil servant". We all vote on the law. We now declare juristiction over the entire city. We drive around town, shooting people we suspect of breathing, and kidnapping them and bringing them back to our warehouse.

How is that different than police? I received a mandate from the public when I invited people to come vote for police comissioner. Not my fault they didn't show up. They don't have a right to criticize my law since they weren't there to vote on it.

[Caninope]

A murderer/kidnapper does not lay out his rules, which are approved of by the majority of people who have to follow them. A murderer/kidnapper does not look for ways other than kidnapping or murder in order to resolve a dispute of these rules. A murderer/kidnapper is out to murder and kidnap. Most police officers haven't killed anyone or cause undue psychological trauma to anyone.

Me and my friends get together in a warehouse in the center of town. We put an ad out in the paper letting people know they should come vote for local police chief. Only 20 people show up to vote. They vote me in as police chief. All 20 of us write down one very simple rule "No Breatheing Allowed unless you are a public official or civil servant". We all vote on the law. We now declare juristiction over the entire city. We drive around town, shooting people we suspect of breathing, and kidnapping them and bringing them back to our warehouse.

How is that different than police? I received a mandate from the public when I invited people to come vote for police comissioner. Not my fault they didn't show up. They don't have a right to criticize my law since they weren't there to vote on it.

It's different because you are not the recognized government.

[Bendira]

Me and my friends get together in a warehouse in the center of town. We put an ad out in the paper letting people know they should come vote for local police chief. Only 20 people show up to vote. They vote me in as police chief. All 20 of us write down one very simple rule "No Breatheing Allowed unless you are a public official or civil servant". We all vote on the law. We now declare juristiction over the entire city. We drive around town, shooting people we suspect of breathing, and kidnapping them and bringing them back to our warehouse.

How is that different than police? I received a mandate from the public when I invited people to come vote for police comissioner. Not my fault they didn't show up. They don't have a right to criticize my law since they weren't there to vote on it.

It's different because you are not the recognized government.

What constitutes a recognized government?

[Northern Itasca]

A murderer/kidnapper does not lay out his rules, which are approved of by the majority of people who have to follow them. A murderer/kidnapper does not look for ways other than kidnapping or murder in order to resolve a dispute of these rules. A murderer/kidnapper is out to murder and kidnap. Most police officers haven't killed anyone or cause undue psychological trauma to anyone.

Me and my friends get together in a warehouse in the center of town. We put an ad out in the paper letting people know they should come vote for local police chief. Only 20 people show up to vote. They vote me in as police chief. All 20 of us write down one very simple rule "No Breatheing Allowed unless you are a public official or civil servant". We all vote on the law. We now declare juristiction over the entire city. We drive around town, shooting people we suspect of breathing, and kidnapping them and bringing them back to our warehouse.

How is that different than police? I received a mandate from the public when I invited people to come vote for police comissioner. Not my fault they didn't show up. They don't have a right to criticize my law since they weren't there to vote on it.

Police dont create the laws they enforce them. If you have your panties in a bunch about your local ordinances or states statutes talk to whomever your representative in government is.

[Sociobiology]

A murderer/kidnapper does not lay out his rules, which are approved of by the majority of people who have to follow them. A murderer/kidnapper does not look for ways other than kidnapping or murder in order to resolve a dispute of these rules. A murderer/kidnapper is out to murder and kidnap. Most police officers haven't killed anyone or cause undue psychological trauma to anyone.

Me and my friends get together in a warehouse in the center of town. We put an ad out in the paper letting people know they should come vote for local police chief. Only 20 people show up to vote. They vote me in as police chief. All 20 of us write down one very simple rule "No Breatheing Allowed unless you are a public official or civil servant". We all vote on the law. We now declare juristiction over the entire city. We drive around town, shooting people we suspect of breathing, and kidnapping them and bringing them back to our warehouse.

How is that different than police? I received a mandate from the public when I invited people to come vote for police comissioner. Not my fault they didn't show up. They don't have a right to criticize my law since they weren't there to vote on it.

the big diff the police dont make the laws they only enforce laws passed by a representative government.

[Bendira]

Me and my friends get together in a warehouse in the center of town. We put an ad out in the paper letting people know they should come vote for local police chief. Only 20 people show up to vote. They vote me in as police chief. All 20 of us write down one very simple rule "No Breatheing Allowed unless you are a public official or civil servant". We all vote on the law. We now declare juristiction over the entire city. We drive around town, shooting people we suspect of breathing, and kidnapping them and bringing them back to our warehouse.

How is that different than police? I received a mandate from the public when I invited people to come vote for police comissioner. Not my fault they didn't show up. They don't have a right to criticize my law since they weren't there to vote on it.

Police dont create the laws they enforce them. If you have your panties in a bunch about your local ordinances or states statutes talk to whomever your representative in government is.

No but before I deputized my 20 friends, we all voted democratically on what the law would be. And they all voted in favor of the no breatheing ordinance.

[Person012345]

A murderer/kidnapper does not lay out his rules, which are approved of by the majority of people who have to follow them. A murderer/kidnapper does not look for ways other than kidnapping or murder in order to resolve a dispute of these rules. A murderer/kidnapper is out to murder and kidnap. Most police officers haven't killed anyone or cause undue psychological trauma to anyone.

Me and my friends get together in a warehouse in the center of town. We put an ad out in the paper letting people know they should come vote for local police chief. Only 20 people show up to vote. They vote me in as police chief. All 20 of us write down one very simple rule "No Breatheing Allowed unless you are a public official or civil servant". We all vote on the law. We now declare juristiction over the entire city. We drive around town, shooting people we suspect of breathing, and kidnapping them and bringing them back to our warehouse.

How is that different than police? I received a mandate from the public when I invited people to come vote for police comissioner. Not my fault they didn't show up. They don't have a right to criticize my law since they weren't there to vote on it.

Didn't come =/= accepts the law.

1. The fact is that government does have jurisdiction over a country. Don't like it, go somewhere else.
2. Police do not randomly go around killing people who break minor laws. You see, your punishments are OTT and the majority of people would not agree to them. The country however, the majority of people in the country are happy to tolerate the laws and if they disagree with some they break them, because they think they won't get caught.

[Bendira]

Didn't come =/= accepts the law.

It dosn't matter whether they accept the law or not, they didn't come vote. They don't have a right to an opinion.

1. The fact is that government does have jurisdiction over a country. Don't like it, go somewhere else.

Me and my 20 friends pass another vote saying that anybody leaving our juristiction shall be shot. We have the mandate of the public, so its all gravy baby.

2. Police do not randomly go around killing people who break minor laws. You see, your punishments are OTT and the majority of people would not agree to them. The country however, the majority of people in the country are happy to tolerate the laws and if they disagree with some they break them, because they think they won't get caught.

It dosn't matter whether the majority of people agree with them or not. The fact is, they didn't show up to vote, and therefor their opinion dosn't matter.

[Achaea-Graecia]

Yes you can.

Can you answer my question from earlier, where I asked you where you personally feel the justification for your job comes from? Like, what sets you apart from a murderer or a kidnapper? Is there any ethical consideration to your job whatsoever?

My job is to restrict the amount of crime in the city and serve the public taxpayers.

I think a better question to ask is why you think my job as a police officer is unjustified.

[Avenio]

Me and my friends get together in a warehouse in the center of town. We put an ad out in the paper letting people know they should come vote for local police chief. Only 20 people show up to vote. They vote me in as police chief. All 20 of us write down one very simple rule "No Breatheing Allowed unless you are a public official or civil servant". We all vote on the law. We now declare juristiction over the entire city. We drive around town, shooting people we suspect of breathing, and kidnapping them and bringing them back to our warehouse.

How is that different than police? I received a mandate from the public when I invited people to come vote for police comissioner. Not my fault they didn't show up. They don't have a right to criticize my law since they weren't there to vote on it.

This is quite literally a textbook example of a strawman fallacy. You know fully well that this would never happen for a nigh-infinite number of reasons. The police forces work on a basis of the social contract theory, whereby the majority of people put into place a system of governance (Of which the police is part), and institute self-regulating and externally-regulating measures within said governance (Bill(s) of Rights, constitutions, police codes, etc) so as to prevent abuses of power.

[Jenrak]

If I was arrested and imprisoned, I would effectively be silenced. I wouldn't be able to be an activist or get my message out, I wouldn't be able to raise a family, and I wouldn't be able to live a halfway decent life without the constant fear of prison rape or beatings.

So really you are just a Moral Coward who whines on the internet.

Panzer, calm down, bro.

Just gotta chill out. I'm not going to hand you a warning, but you're kind skirting the line with that comment, methinks.

[Person012345]

Didn't come =/= accepts the law.

It dosn't matter whether they accept the law or not, they didn't come vote. They don't have a right to an opinion.

1. The fact is that government does have jurisdiction over a country. Don't like it, go somewhere else.

Me and my 20 friends pass another vote saying that anybody leaving our juristiction shall be shot. We have the mandate of the public, so its all gravy baby.

Yeah, no you don't. If you want to secede from the united states, go ahead. If you are the legitimate ruler of your own state then you can do what you like with it.

2. Police do not randomly go around killing people who break minor laws. You see, your punishments are OTT and the majority of people would not agree to them. The country however, the majority of people in the country are happy to tolerate the laws and if they disagree with some they break them, because they think they won't get caught.

It dosn't matter whether the majority of people agree with them or not. The fact is, they didn't show up to vote, and therefor their opinion dosn't matter.

Again, it isn't your country to decide. You do not rule your town, sorry to tell you that is simply unwarranted self importance.