Bendira wrote:I mis-spoke then. The "Yes" at the beggining was not answering the beggining of your sentence, it was meant to answer whether I would call it a strawman argument or not.
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by Person012345 » Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:36 pm
Bendira wrote:I mis-spoke then. The "Yes" at the beggining was not answering the beggining of your sentence, it was meant to answer whether I would call it a strawman argument or not.
by Bendira » Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:38 pm
Zephie wrote:Sdaeriji wrote:
I did no such thing. I attacked his credibility and his convictions in his beliefs. I never implied his beliefs were wrong, just that he wasn't willing to sacrifice to stand up for what he believes. I never called him a coward.
So then where is your debate? It just sounds like a personal attack to me.
by Person012345 » Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:41 pm
by Person012345 » Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:43 pm
Bendira wrote:Which is all that has been made against me for 30 some pages now.
by Achaea-Graecia » Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:43 pm
by Northern Itasca » Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:43 pm
Rolling squid wrote:Duh? Many police officers are those who decided against college and then failed to get into the military. In short, thugs with a badge. Add that to the fact that the police instantly close ranks against any sort of repercussions, and you end up with a law enforcement culture that needs to be scrapped.
by Person012345 » Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:44 pm
by Bendira » Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:44 pm
by Bendira » Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:46 pm
by Sibirsky » Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:50 pm
Northern Itasca wrote:Rolling squid wrote:Duh? Many police officers are those who decided against college and then failed to get into the military. In short, thugs with a badge. Add that to the fact that the police instantly close ranks against any sort of repercussions, and you end up with a law enforcement culture that needs to be scrapped.
You're an idiot. At least in the US something like 46 of the states require that officers have at least a two year degree and many larger agencies won't hire officers unless they have a 4 year degree. And all of them even those without a degree have a hell of a lot more common sense than you.
by Person012345 » Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:53 pm
by Bendira » Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:57 pm
Person012345 wrote:Bendira wrote:
Can you answer my question from earlier, where I asked you where you personally feel the justification for your job comes from? Like, what sets you apart from a murderer or a kidnapper? Is there any ethical consideration to your job whatsoever?
A murderer/kidnapper does not lay out his rules, which are approved of by the majority of people who have to follow them. A murderer/kidnapper does not look for ways other than kidnapping or murder in order to resolve a dispute of these rules. A murderer/kidnapper is out to murder and kidnap. Most police officers haven't killed anyone or cause undue psychological trauma to anyone.
by Caninope » Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:59 pm
Bendira wrote:Person012345 wrote:A murderer/kidnapper does not lay out his rules, which are approved of by the majority of people who have to follow them. A murderer/kidnapper does not look for ways other than kidnapping or murder in order to resolve a dispute of these rules. A murderer/kidnapper is out to murder and kidnap. Most police officers haven't killed anyone or cause undue psychological trauma to anyone.
Me and my friends get together in a warehouse in the center of town. We put an ad out in the paper letting people know they should come vote for local police chief. Only 20 people show up to vote. They vote me in as police chief. All 20 of us write down one very simple rule "No Breatheing Allowed unless you are a public official or civil servant". We all vote on the law. We now declare juristiction over the entire city. We drive around town, shooting people we suspect of breathing, and kidnapping them and bringing them back to our warehouse.
How is that different than police? I received a mandate from the public when I invited people to come vote for police comissioner. Not my fault they didn't show up. They don't have a right to criticize my law since they weren't there to vote on it.
Agritum wrote:Arg, Caninope is Captain America under disguise. Everyone knows it.
Frisivisia wrote:Me wrote:Just don't. It'll get you a whole lot further in life if you come to realize you're not the smartest guy in the room, even if you probably are.
Because Caninope may be in that room with you.
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:Thankfully, we have you and EM to guide us to wisdom and truth, holy one. :p
Norstal wrote:What I am saying of course is that we should clone Caninope.
by Bendira » Wed Sep 22, 2010 5:00 pm
Caninope wrote:Bendira wrote:
Me and my friends get together in a warehouse in the center of town. We put an ad out in the paper letting people know they should come vote for local police chief. Only 20 people show up to vote. They vote me in as police chief. All 20 of us write down one very simple rule "No Breatheing Allowed unless you are a public official or civil servant". We all vote on the law. We now declare juristiction over the entire city. We drive around town, shooting people we suspect of breathing, and kidnapping them and bringing them back to our warehouse.
How is that different than police? I received a mandate from the public when I invited people to come vote for police comissioner. Not my fault they didn't show up. They don't have a right to criticize my law since they weren't there to vote on it.
It's different because you are not the recognized government.
by Northern Itasca » Wed Sep 22, 2010 5:00 pm
Bendira wrote:Person012345 wrote:A murderer/kidnapper does not lay out his rules, which are approved of by the majority of people who have to follow them. A murderer/kidnapper does not look for ways other than kidnapping or murder in order to resolve a dispute of these rules. A murderer/kidnapper is out to murder and kidnap. Most police officers haven't killed anyone or cause undue psychological trauma to anyone.
Me and my friends get together in a warehouse in the center of town. We put an ad out in the paper letting people know they should come vote for local police chief. Only 20 people show up to vote. They vote me in as police chief. All 20 of us write down one very simple rule "No Breatheing Allowed unless you are a public official or civil servant". We all vote on the law. We now declare juristiction over the entire city. We drive around town, shooting people we suspect of breathing, and kidnapping them and bringing them back to our warehouse.
How is that different than police? I received a mandate from the public when I invited people to come vote for police comissioner. Not my fault they didn't show up. They don't have a right to criticize my law since they weren't there to vote on it.
by Sociobiology » Wed Sep 22, 2010 5:02 pm
Bendira wrote:Person012345 wrote:A murderer/kidnapper does not lay out his rules, which are approved of by the majority of people who have to follow them. A murderer/kidnapper does not look for ways other than kidnapping or murder in order to resolve a dispute of these rules. A murderer/kidnapper is out to murder and kidnap. Most police officers haven't killed anyone or cause undue psychological trauma to anyone.
Me and my friends get together in a warehouse in the center of town. We put an ad out in the paper letting people know they should come vote for local police chief. Only 20 people show up to vote. They vote me in as police chief. All 20 of us write down one very simple rule "No Breatheing Allowed unless you are a public official or civil servant". We all vote on the law. We now declare juristiction over the entire city. We drive around town, shooting people we suspect of breathing, and kidnapping them and bringing them back to our warehouse.
How is that different than police? I received a mandate from the public when I invited people to come vote for police comissioner. Not my fault they didn't show up. They don't have a right to criticize my law since they weren't there to vote on it.
by Bendira » Wed Sep 22, 2010 5:02 pm
Northern Itasca wrote:Bendira wrote:
Me and my friends get together in a warehouse in the center of town. We put an ad out in the paper letting people know they should come vote for local police chief. Only 20 people show up to vote. They vote me in as police chief. All 20 of us write down one very simple rule "No Breatheing Allowed unless you are a public official or civil servant". We all vote on the law. We now declare juristiction over the entire city. We drive around town, shooting people we suspect of breathing, and kidnapping them and bringing them back to our warehouse.
How is that different than police? I received a mandate from the public when I invited people to come vote for police comissioner. Not my fault they didn't show up. They don't have a right to criticize my law since they weren't there to vote on it.
Police dont create the laws they enforce them. If you have your panties in a bunch about your local ordinances or states statutes talk to whomever your representative in government is.
by Person012345 » Wed Sep 22, 2010 5:07 pm
Bendira wrote:Person012345 wrote:A murderer/kidnapper does not lay out his rules, which are approved of by the majority of people who have to follow them. A murderer/kidnapper does not look for ways other than kidnapping or murder in order to resolve a dispute of these rules. A murderer/kidnapper is out to murder and kidnap. Most police officers haven't killed anyone or cause undue psychological trauma to anyone.
Me and my friends get together in a warehouse in the center of town. We put an ad out in the paper letting people know they should come vote for local police chief. Only 20 people show up to vote. They vote me in as police chief. All 20 of us write down one very simple rule "No Breatheing Allowed unless you are a public official or civil servant". We all vote on the law. We now declare juristiction over the entire city. We drive around town, shooting people we suspect of breathing, and kidnapping them and bringing them back to our warehouse.
How is that different than police? I received a mandate from the public when I invited people to come vote for police comissioner. Not my fault they didn't show up. They don't have a right to criticize my law since they weren't there to vote on it.
by Bendira » Wed Sep 22, 2010 5:13 pm
Didn't come =/= accepts the law.
1. The fact is that government does have jurisdiction over a country. Don't like it, go somewhere else.
2. Police do not randomly go around killing people who break minor laws. You see, your punishments are OTT and the majority of people would not agree to them. The country however, the majority of people in the country are happy to tolerate the laws and if they disagree with some they break them, because they think they won't get caught.
by Achaea-Graecia » Wed Sep 22, 2010 5:14 pm
by Avenio » Wed Sep 22, 2010 5:15 pm
Bendira wrote:Me and my friends get together in a warehouse in the center of town. We put an ad out in the paper letting people know they should come vote for local police chief. Only 20 people show up to vote. They vote me in as police chief. All 20 of us write down one very simple rule "No Breatheing Allowed unless you are a public official or civil servant". We all vote on the law. We now declare juristiction over the entire city. We drive around town, shooting people we suspect of breathing, and kidnapping them and bringing them back to our warehouse.
How is that different than police? I received a mandate from the public when I invited people to come vote for police comissioner. Not my fault they didn't show up. They don't have a right to criticize my law since they weren't there to vote on it.
by Jenrak » Wed Sep 22, 2010 5:15 pm
Panzerjaeger wrote:Bendira wrote:
If I was arrested and imprisoned, I would effectively be silenced. I wouldn't be able to be an activist or get my message out, I wouldn't be able to raise a family, and I wouldn't be able to live a halfway decent life without the constant fear of prison rape or beatings.
So really you are just a Moral Coward who whines on the internet.
by Person012345 » Wed Sep 22, 2010 5:16 pm
Bendira wrote:Didn't come =/= accepts the law.
It dosn't matter whether they accept the law or not, they didn't come vote. They don't have a right to an opinion.1. The fact is that government does have jurisdiction over a country. Don't like it, go somewhere else.
Me and my 20 friends pass another vote saying that anybody leaving our juristiction shall be shot. We have the mandate of the public, so its all gravy baby.
2. Police do not randomly go around killing people who break minor laws. You see, your punishments are OTT and the majority of people would not agree to them. The country however, the majority of people in the country are happy to tolerate the laws and if they disagree with some they break them, because they think they won't get caught.
It dosn't matter whether the majority of people agree with them or not. The fact is, they didn't show up to vote, and therefor their opinion dosn't matter.
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