Why is it relevant to the discussion at all? Not that I am ashamed of my involvement in the voluntaryist movement, but I don't feel the need to legitimize your personal attacks on me.
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by Bendira » Wed Sep 22, 2010 2:41 pm
by Bendira » Wed Sep 22, 2010 2:42 pm
Farnhamia wrote:Bendira wrote:
How many of those do the media cover?
They get coverage, not as much as the majors, but some. They get to run as many ads as they can afford. They all have entries in the Blue Book, which is published at government expense and sent to all registered voters, and which describes each candidates position.
You said that the two major parties and the media prevent other parties from getting on the ballot. That is simply not true and the point of this exercise has been to show you that it is not true.
by Person012345 » Wed Sep 22, 2010 2:44 pm
Bendira wrote:Farnhamia wrote:They get coverage, not as much as the majors, but some. They get to run as many ads as they can afford. They all have entries in the Blue Book, which is published at government expense and sent to all registered voters, and which describes each candidates position.
You said that the two major parties and the media prevent other parties from getting on the ballot. That is simply not true and the point of this exercise has been to show you that it is not true.
They get no coverage whatsoever. I had no idea about hardly any of those people until you just posted it, and I have no idea about any of their political positions. In fact, I have no idea about McCain or Obama's even. And even if I did, they would just lie to win office anyways.
by Caninope » Wed Sep 22, 2010 2:44 pm
Bendira wrote:Farnhamia wrote:From what I can tell, you try to have philosophical discussions with police officers. Why don't you tell us all, in specific detail, what you're doing to change the system you hate so much?
Why is it relevant to the discussion at all? Not that I am ashamed of my involvement in the voluntaryist movement, but I don't feel the need to legitimize your personal attacks on me.
Agritum wrote:Arg, Caninope is Captain America under disguise. Everyone knows it.
Frisivisia wrote:Me wrote:Just don't. It'll get you a whole lot further in life if you come to realize you're not the smartest guy in the room, even if you probably are.
Because Caninope may be in that room with you.
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:Thankfully, we have you and EM to guide us to wisdom and truth, holy one. :p
Norstal wrote:What I am saying of course is that we should clone Caninope.
by Caninope » Wed Sep 22, 2010 2:47 pm
Bendira wrote:Old Erisia wrote:Unless you would like to change the system from the inside. Hard, not impossible.
I am morally opposed to the idea of a single candidate being elected and forcing society to follow his laws. Obviously the minority is discriminated against. And running for office is legitimizing that process. Working outside the system is the only true moral way to do it.
Agritum wrote:Arg, Caninope is Captain America under disguise. Everyone knows it.
Frisivisia wrote:Me wrote:Just don't. It'll get you a whole lot further in life if you come to realize you're not the smartest guy in the room, even if you probably are.
Because Caninope may be in that room with you.
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:Thankfully, we have you and EM to guide us to wisdom and truth, holy one. :p
Norstal wrote:What I am saying of course is that we should clone Caninope.
by Farnhamia » Wed Sep 22, 2010 2:47 pm
by Bendira » Wed Sep 22, 2010 2:48 pm
by Bendira » Wed Sep 22, 2010 2:49 pm
Caninope wrote:Bendira wrote:
I am morally opposed to the idea of a single candidate being elected and forcing society to follow his laws. Obviously the minority is discriminated against. And running for office is legitimizing that process. Working outside the system is the only true moral way to do it.
Which is why we have minority rights and plenty of opportunities for minority opinions to stop an action.
EX: Every Democrat Led issue in Congress.
by Person012345 » Wed Sep 22, 2010 2:51 pm
by Panzerjaeger » Wed Sep 22, 2010 2:52 pm
Caninope wrote:Toyota: Keep moving forward, even when you don't want to!
Christmahanikwanzikah wrote:Timothy McVeigh casts... Pyrotechnics!
Greater Americania wrote:lol "No Comrade Ivan! Don't stick your head in there! That's the wood chi...!"
New Kereptica wrote:Fascism: because people are too smart nowadays.
by Neo Art » Wed Sep 22, 2010 2:52 pm
by Bendira » Wed Sep 22, 2010 2:52 pm
Person012345 wrote:Bendira wrote:
But it is. The premise of the question is that I don't have a right to criticize the system because I do not work within it. Its an attempt at a personal attack on my character.
No it isn't. Even if that is the premise of the question, that's still not a personal attack.
Or do you consider anyone disagreeing with you to be a personal attack?
by Panzerjaeger » Wed Sep 22, 2010 2:54 pm
Caninope wrote:Toyota: Keep moving forward, even when you don't want to!
Christmahanikwanzikah wrote:Timothy McVeigh casts... Pyrotechnics!
Greater Americania wrote:lol "No Comrade Ivan! Don't stick your head in there! That's the wood chi...!"
New Kereptica wrote:Fascism: because people are too smart nowadays.
by Bendira » Wed Sep 22, 2010 2:54 pm
by Panzerjaeger » Wed Sep 22, 2010 2:55 pm
Bendira wrote:Person012345 wrote:No it isn't. Even if that is the premise of the question, that's still not a personal attack.
Or do you consider anyone disagreeing with you to be a personal attack?
Its a personal attack, because he has already stated that anything other than working within the system should not occur. I don't work within the system. The only possible outcome is a personal attack.
Caninope wrote:Toyota: Keep moving forward, even when you don't want to!
Christmahanikwanzikah wrote:Timothy McVeigh casts... Pyrotechnics!
Greater Americania wrote:lol "No Comrade Ivan! Don't stick your head in there! That's the wood chi...!"
New Kereptica wrote:Fascism: because people are too smart nowadays.
by Panzerjaeger » Wed Sep 22, 2010 2:56 pm
Caninope wrote:Toyota: Keep moving forward, even when you don't want to!
Christmahanikwanzikah wrote:Timothy McVeigh casts... Pyrotechnics!
Greater Americania wrote:lol "No Comrade Ivan! Don't stick your head in there! That's the wood chi...!"
New Kereptica wrote:Fascism: because people are too smart nowadays.
by Person012345 » Wed Sep 22, 2010 2:56 pm
Bendira wrote:Person012345 wrote:No it isn't. Even if that is the premise of the question, that's still not a personal attack.
Or do you consider anyone disagreeing with you to be a personal attack?
Its a personal attack, because he has already stated that anything other than working within the system should not occur. I don't work within the system. The only possible outcome is a personal attack.
ED wrote:Before making an ad hominem attack, it is a good idea to keep the following things in mind:
* In debate, any person disagreeing with the OP is using ad hominem.
by Caninope » Wed Sep 22, 2010 2:56 pm
Agritum wrote:Arg, Caninope is Captain America under disguise. Everyone knows it.
Frisivisia wrote:Me wrote:Just don't. It'll get you a whole lot further in life if you come to realize you're not the smartest guy in the room, even if you probably are.
Because Caninope may be in that room with you.
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:Thankfully, we have you and EM to guide us to wisdom and truth, holy one. :p
Norstal wrote:What I am saying of course is that we should clone Caninope.
by Farnhamia » Wed Sep 22, 2010 2:58 pm
by Xomic » Wed Sep 22, 2010 3:00 pm
Bendira wrote:So I am a voluntaryist, and as a result I receive all the new updates from the voluntaryist community involving activism. Many acivists confront police and question them about their role in society and why they do what they do. Overwhelming, the majority of the police have not even considered the ethics of their job. Several times, police have said that they would follow any laws they were asked to execute.
Here is my question. How can you be a police officer and not have any ethical/moral justification for it whatsoever? These cops never even seem to go with the statist talking points of "consent of the governed" or "social contract" or "public good". Even though id argue those are horribly weak justifications for the existence of a government, the fact that police don't even know them sort of proves that many police seem to be there just for the power or pay of the job. And if they are there just for the power or the pay, what type of person does that make them?
by Caninope » Wed Sep 22, 2010 3:00 pm
Bendira wrote:Caninope wrote:Which is why we have minority rights and plenty of opportunities for minority opinions to stop an action.
EX: Every Democrat Led issue in Congress.
Im in my house, and I wasnt to smoke marijuana on my own property. Suddenly, the SWAT team enters, shootsmy dog and beats me. Then they take me to a prison, where I am beaten and raped by inmates, until I join a hardened prison gang.
What way can that so called "minority position" stop an action?
Agritum wrote:Arg, Caninope is Captain America under disguise. Everyone knows it.
Frisivisia wrote:Me wrote:Just don't. It'll get you a whole lot further in life if you come to realize you're not the smartest guy in the room, even if you probably are.
Because Caninope may be in that room with you.
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:Thankfully, we have you and EM to guide us to wisdom and truth, holy one. :p
Norstal wrote:What I am saying of course is that we should clone Caninope.
by Bendira » Wed Sep 22, 2010 3:01 pm
Caninope wrote:Bendira wrote:
But it is. The premise of the question is that I don't have a right to criticize the system because I do not work within it. Its an attempt at a personal attack on my character.
No, actually, it is the idea that one has to work inside the system to criticize it.
It's no more a personal attack than to the 75 other million who didn't vote in 2008.
by Bendira » Wed Sep 22, 2010 3:02 pm
Caninope wrote:Bendira wrote:
Im in my house, and I wasnt to smoke marijuana on my own property. Suddenly, the SWAT team enters, shootsmy dog and beats me. Then they take me to a prison, where I am beaten and raped by inmates, until I join a hardened prison gang.
What way can that so called "minority position" stop an action?
Except that most drug arrests of users don't take place with SWAT teams. Most arrests, even SWAT arrests, are made without a shot being fired. Sometimes, users can get off with just going to a rehabilitation center. And most people in jail aren't raped.
by Person012345 » Wed Sep 22, 2010 3:04 pm
Bendira wrote:Caninope wrote:No, actually, it is the idea that one has to work inside the system to criticize it.
It's no more a personal attack than to the 75 other million who didn't vote in 2008.
That argument is a really tired double-edged sword. I can say the same if you participate in the system
You participated in the system, you lost, now stop complaining.
by Panzerjaeger » Wed Sep 22, 2010 3:05 pm
Caninope wrote:Toyota: Keep moving forward, even when you don't want to!
Christmahanikwanzikah wrote:Timothy McVeigh casts... Pyrotechnics!
Greater Americania wrote:lol "No Comrade Ivan! Don't stick your head in there! That's the wood chi...!"
New Kereptica wrote:Fascism: because people are too smart nowadays.
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