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Postby Cobhanglica » Fri Sep 10, 2010 2:09 pm

greed and death wrote:The military is more then a job it is a set of federal benefits, I personally will have extracted over 120,000 dollars over 5 years in educational benefits.


The military does NOT exist to give you money, it exists to defend this nation and its interests. That's another problem with today's military; people have forgotten that the first and foremost job of a soldier is to fight.
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Postby Jervak » Fri Sep 10, 2010 2:10 pm

Even gays can get in on the imperialist gangbang. Hoo-fucking-rah.
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Postby Innsmothe » Fri Sep 10, 2010 2:10 pm

Cobhanglica wrote:
greed and death wrote:The military is more then a job it is a set of federal benefits, I personally will have extracted over 120,000 dollars over 5 years in educational benefits.


The military does NOT exist to give you money, it exists to defend this nation and its interests. That's another problem with today's military; people have forgotten that the first and foremost job of a soldier is to fight.

And how does this ruling affect that? Surely increasing the recruitment pool is a good thing?
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Postby Mikedor » Fri Sep 10, 2010 2:10 pm

Cobhanglica wrote:
greed and death wrote:The military is more then a job it is a set of federal benefits, I personally will have extracted over 120,000 dollars over 5 years in educational benefits.


The military does NOT exist to give you money, it exists to defend this nation and its interests. That's another problem with today's military; people have forgotten that the first and foremost job of a soldier is to fight.

Actually, it's to get the materiel to those who do fight, in modern militaries.
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Postby Geniasis » Fri Sep 10, 2010 2:11 pm

Strykla wrote:Lots of people ave problems serving with gays. Squad beating shouldn't be ruled out, for example.


Lots of people had problems serving with black people too.
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Myrensis wrote:I say turn it into a brothel, that way Muslims and Christians can be offended together.


DaWoad wrote:nah, she only fought because, as everyone knows, the brits can't make a decent purse to save their lives and she had a VERY important shopping trip coming up!


Reichskommissariat ost wrote:Women are as good as men , I dont know why they constantly whine about things.


Euronion wrote:because how dare me ever ever try to demand rights for myself, right men, we should just lie down and let the women trample over us, let them take awa our rights, our right to vote will be next just don't say I didn't warn ou

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Postby Buffett and Colbert » Fri Sep 10, 2010 2:13 pm

Cobhanglica wrote:14th Amendment only applies to state infringements of rights.

And DADT is the State infringing upon the rights of gays to serve in the military.

But that definition of yours is bullshit anyway. The Fourteenth Amendment also covers the naturalisation of people born in the country. It also sets up the Executive Branch, some, and covers public debt.
Cobhanglica wrote:The 1st Amendment does protect freedom of speech, but you also must take into consideration the fact that that right is already abridged by the military as it sees fit to ensure discipline and order.

One's sexual orientation is an off-duty question.
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Postby Greed and Death » Fri Sep 10, 2010 2:14 pm

Cobhanglica wrote:
greed and death wrote:The military is more then a job it is a set of federal benefits, I personally will have extracted over 120,000 dollars over 5 years in educational benefits.


The military does NOT exist to give you money, it exists to defend this nation and its interests. That's another problem with today's military; people have forgotten that the first and foremost job of a soldier is to fight.

The veteran has always held a special place in society, and has always received special benefits from the government.
These benefits having been codified, along with a military service contract means they are just that benefits that can be earned from the government for service rendered.

IF you like lets remove these benefits, and still deny gays the right to serve, given you wont have a military any more but hey he the price for thinking with a mind from the middle ages.
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Postby Buffett and Colbert » Fri Sep 10, 2010 2:14 pm

Cobhanglica wrote:
greed and death wrote:The military is more then a job it is a set of federal benefits, I personally will have extracted over 120,000 dollars over 5 years in educational benefits.


The military does NOT exist to give you money, it exists to defend this nation and its interests. That's another problem with today's military; people have forgotten that the first and foremost job of a soldier is to fight.

That's a matter of opinion.
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Buffett and Colbert wrote:Clever, but your Jedi mind tricks don't work on me.

His Jedi mind tricks are insignificant compared to the power of Buffy's sex appeal.
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Buffett and Colbert wrote:My law class took my virginity. And it was 100% consensual.

I accuse your precious law class of statutory rape.

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Postby Siseil Alanur » Fri Sep 10, 2010 2:15 pm

Cobhanglica wrote:
greed and death wrote:The military is more then a job it is a set of federal benefits, I personally will have extracted over 120,000 dollars over 5 years in educational benefits.


The military does NOT exist to give you money, it exists to defend this nation and its interests. That's another problem with today's military; people have forgotten that the first and foremost job of a soldier is to fight.

And you just said that to a member of the armed forces. Congratulations for not understanding that the military protects its own, regardless of who that person is.

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Postby Greed and Death » Fri Sep 10, 2010 2:15 pm

Buffett and Colbert wrote:
Cobhanglica wrote:
greed and death wrote:The military is more then a job it is a set of federal benefits, I personally will have extracted over 120,000 dollars over 5 years in educational benefits.


The military does NOT exist to give you money, it exists to defend this nation and its interests. That's another problem with today's military; people have forgotten that the first and foremost job of a soldier is to fight.

That's a matter of opinion.

As an individualist I tend to view extracting money as vital.
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Postby Geniasis » Fri Sep 10, 2010 2:16 pm

Siseil Alanur wrote:And you just said that to a member of the armed forces. Congratulations for not understanding that the military protects its own, regardless of who that person is.


Clearly he hates our troops.
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Myrensis wrote:I say turn it into a brothel, that way Muslims and Christians can be offended together.


DaWoad wrote:nah, she only fought because, as everyone knows, the brits can't make a decent purse to save their lives and she had a VERY important shopping trip coming up!


Reichskommissariat ost wrote:Women are as good as men , I dont know why they constantly whine about things.


Euronion wrote:because how dare me ever ever try to demand rights for myself, right men, we should just lie down and let the women trample over us, let them take awa our rights, our right to vote will be next just don't say I didn't warn ou

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Postby Cobhanglica » Fri Sep 10, 2010 2:18 pm

Geniasis wrote:
Siseil Alanur wrote:And you just said that to a member of the armed forces. Congratulations for not understanding that the military protects its own, regardless of who that person is.


Clearly he hates our troops.


I don't hate our troops. I hate the people who join for the money and completely forget about the whole "going to war" aspect of military service.
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Postby Greed and Death » Fri Sep 10, 2010 2:18 pm

Siseil Alanur wrote:
Cobhanglica wrote:
greed and death wrote:The military is more then a job it is a set of federal benefits, I personally will have extracted over 120,000 dollars over 5 years in educational benefits.


The military does NOT exist to give you money, it exists to defend this nation and its interests. That's another problem with today's military; people have forgotten that the first and foremost job of a soldier is to fight.

And you just said that to a member of the armed forces. Congratulations for not understanding that the military protects its own, regardless of who that person is.

former member I am a veteran I am in law school now.
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Sep 10, 2010 2:19 pm

Cobhanglica wrote:
Geniasis wrote:
Siseil Alanur wrote:And you just said that to a member of the armed forces. Congratulations for not understanding that the military protects its own, regardless of who that person is.


Clearly he hates our troops.


I don't hate our troops. I hate the people who join for the money and completely forget about the whole "going to war" aspect of military service.

I'm sure that's so easy to do, too, forget about the war part. Especially in boot camp, which I hear is just picnics and dances and all sorts of frolicking.
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Postby Buffett and Colbert » Fri Sep 10, 2010 2:19 pm

Cobhanglica wrote:
Geniasis wrote:
Siseil Alanur wrote:And you just said that to a member of the armed forces. Congratulations for not understanding that the military protects its own, regardless of who that person is.


Clearly he hates our troops.


I don't hate our troops. I hate the people who join for the money and completely forget about the whole "going to war" aspect of military service.

I think going to war is a little hard to forget.
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Buffett and Colbert wrote:Clever, but your Jedi mind tricks don't work on me.

His Jedi mind tricks are insignificant compared to the power of Buffy's sex appeal.
Keronians wrote:
Buffett and Colbert wrote:My law class took my virginity. And it was 100% consensual.

I accuse your precious law class of statutory rape.

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Postby Mikedor » Fri Sep 10, 2010 2:20 pm

Cobhanglica wrote:
Geniasis wrote:
Siseil Alanur wrote:And you just said that to a member of the armed forces. Congratulations for not understanding that the military protects its own, regardless of who that person is.


Clearly he hates our troops.


I don't hate our troops. I hate the people who join for the money and completely forget about the whole "going to war" aspect of military service.

Militaries shouldn't 'go' to war, they should be for defence. Like, you know, the Department of Defence.
Welcome to 1938.

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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Sep 10, 2010 2:21 pm

Mikedor wrote:
Cobhanglica wrote:
Geniasis wrote:
Siseil Alanur wrote:And you just said that to a member of the armed forces. Congratulations for not understanding that the military protects its own, regardless of who that person is.


Clearly he hates our troops.


I don't hate our troops. I hate the people who join for the money and completely forget about the whole "going to war" aspect of military service.

Militaries shouldn't 'go' to war, they should be for defence. Like, you know, the Department of Defence.

No the "Department of DefenCe" is part of the Interior Department, I think. *nod*
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Postby Unchecked Expansion » Fri Sep 10, 2010 2:21 pm

Buffett and Colbert wrote:
Cobhanglica wrote:
Geniasis wrote:
Siseil Alanur wrote:And you just said that to a member of the armed forces. Congratulations for not understanding that the military protects its own, regardless of who that person is.


Clearly he hates our troops.


I don't hate our troops. I hate the people who join for the money and completely forget about the whole "going to war" aspect of military service.

I think going to war is a little hard to forget.


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Postby Greed and Death » Fri Sep 10, 2010 2:22 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Cobhanglica wrote:
Geniasis wrote:
Siseil Alanur wrote:And you just said that to a member of the armed forces. Congratulations for not understanding that the military protects its own, regardless of who that person is.


Clearly he hates our troops.


I don't hate our troops. I hate the people who join for the money and completely forget about the whole "going to war" aspect of military service.

I'm sure that's so easy to do, too, forget about the war part. Especially in boot camp, which I hear is just picnics and dances and all sorts of frolicking.

And people wonder why gays want to serve so bad.
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Postby Geniasis » Fri Sep 10, 2010 2:23 pm

Farnhamia wrote:I'm sure that's so easy to do, too, forget about the war part. Especially in boot camp, which I hear is just picnics and dances and all sorts of frolicking.


What the-? You call this a tear party, soldier? These biscuits are stale! Stale!

Drop and give me 20... Oh, all right you can rest your knees.
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Myrensis wrote:I say turn it into a brothel, that way Muslims and Christians can be offended together.


DaWoad wrote:nah, she only fought because, as everyone knows, the brits can't make a decent purse to save their lives and she had a VERY important shopping trip coming up!


Reichskommissariat ost wrote:Women are as good as men , I dont know why they constantly whine about things.


Euronion wrote:because how dare me ever ever try to demand rights for myself, right men, we should just lie down and let the women trample over us, let them take awa our rights, our right to vote will be next just don't say I didn't warn ou

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Postby Cobhanglica » Fri Sep 10, 2010 2:23 pm

Mikedor wrote:
Cobhanglica wrote:
Geniasis wrote:
Siseil Alanur wrote:And you just said that to a member of the armed forces. Congratulations for not understanding that the military protects its own, regardless of who that person is.


Clearly he hates our troops.


I don't hate our troops. I hate the people who join for the money and completely forget about the whole "going to war" aspect of military service.

Militaries shouldn't 'go' to war, they should be for defence. Like, you know, the Department of Defence.


Defending the nation and its interests may require the military to go to war sometimes. Defense is more than just standing around the border and watching for invading armies.
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Sec. of Defense: General James Arnold
Sec. of Trade: Henry Ford Smith


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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Sep 10, 2010 2:24 pm

greed and death wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:
Cobhanglica wrote:
Geniasis wrote:
Siseil Alanur wrote:And you just said that to a member of the armed forces. Congratulations for not understanding that the military protects its own, regardless of who that person is.


Clearly he hates our troops.


I don't hate our troops. I hate the people who join for the money and completely forget about the whole "going to war" aspect of military service.

I'm sure that's so easy to do, too, forget about the war part. Especially in boot camp, which I hear is just picnics and dances and all sorts of frolicking.

And people wonder why gays want to serve so bad.

Ain't it the truth? And all them butch dykes get to wear those cool uniforms and work on heavy machinery and have buzz-cuts and all. Yep, a queer paradise, the US military.
Make Earth Great Again: Stop Continental Drift!
And Jesus was a sailor when he walked upon the water ...
"Make yourself at home, Frank. Hit somebody." RIP Don Rickles
My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right. ~ Carl Schurz
<Sigh> NSG...where even the atheists are Augustinians. ~ The Archregimancy
Now the foot is on the other hand ~ Kannap
RIP Dyakovo ... Ashmoria (Freedom ... or cake)
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Postby Mikedor » Fri Sep 10, 2010 2:24 pm

Cobhanglica wrote:
Mikedor wrote:
Cobhanglica wrote:
Geniasis wrote:
Siseil Alanur wrote:And you just said that to a member of the armed forces. Congratulations for not understanding that the military protects its own, regardless of who that person is.


Clearly he hates our troops.


I don't hate our troops. I hate the people who join for the money and completely forget about the whole "going to war" aspect of military service.

Militaries shouldn't 'go' to war, they should be for defence. Like, you know, the Department of Defence.


Defending the nation and its interests may require the military to go to war sometimes. Defense is more than just standing around the border and watching for invading armies.

There's a 'c' in defence. And the US is big enough that you shouldn't need to invade others to make them conform to your values.
Welcome to 1938.

I thought ten thousand swords must have leaped from their scabbards to avenge even a look that threatened her with insult. But the age of chivalry is gone. That of sophisters, economists, and calculators has succeeded; and the glory of Europe is extinguished for ever.

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Postby Buffett and Colbert » Fri Sep 10, 2010 2:25 pm

Mikedor wrote:
Cobhanglica wrote:
Mikedor wrote:
Cobhanglica wrote:
Geniasis wrote:
Siseil Alanur wrote:And you just said that to a member of the armed forces. Congratulations for not understanding that the military protects its own, regardless of who that person is.


Clearly he hates our troops.


I don't hate our troops. I hate the people who join for the money and completely forget about the whole "going to war" aspect of military service.

Militaries shouldn't 'go' to war, they should be for defence. Like, you know, the Department of Defence.


Defending the nation and its interests may require the military to go to war sometimes. Defense is more than just standing around the border and watching for invading armies.

There's a 'c' in defence. And the US is big enough that you shouldn't need to invade others to make them conform to your values.

"Defense" is the American spelling. It's legitimate, albeit stupid.
If the knowledge isn't useful, you haven't found the lesson yet. ~Iniika
You-Gi-Owe wrote:If someone were to ask me about your online persona as a standard of your "date-ability", I'd rate you as "worth investigating further & passionate about beliefs". But, enough of the idle speculation on why you didn't score with the opposite gender.

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Buffett and Colbert wrote:Clever, but your Jedi mind tricks don't work on me.

His Jedi mind tricks are insignificant compared to the power of Buffy's sex appeal.
Keronians wrote:
Buffett and Colbert wrote:My law class took my virginity. And it was 100% consensual.

I accuse your precious law class of statutory rape.

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Postby Greed and Death » Fri Sep 10, 2010 2:26 pm

Mikedor wrote:
Cobhanglica wrote:
Mikedor wrote:
Cobhanglica wrote:
Geniasis wrote:
Siseil Alanur wrote:And you just said that to a member of the armed forces. Congratulations for not understanding that the military protects its own, regardless of who that person is.


Clearly he hates our troops.


I don't hate our troops. I hate the people who join for the money and completely forget about the whole "going to war" aspect of military service.

Militaries shouldn't 'go' to war, they should be for defence. Like, you know, the Department of Defence.


Defending the nation and its interests may require the military to go to war sometimes. Defense is more than just standing around the border and watching for invading armies.

There's a 'c' in defence. And the US is big enough that you shouldn't need to invade others to make them conform to your values.

In american English it is an S.
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