Military ban on gay service declared unconstitutional

[SaintB]

This is horrible. Now one of the few loopholes for dodging a potential draft is closed.

You could always get a sex change, the Government doesn't consider women competent enough for combat yet.

[Bydlostan (Ancient)]

I don't see anything wrong with DADT, people should keep their sex lives to themselves.

The issue is that if someone is found to be gay, DADT requires their discharge.

In practice, this rarely happened as it was generally up to thee local commander to enforce it. Too many soldiers decided they'd rather be gay then get deployed and cheat the system only to get deployed. serve their contracts and then, maybe get a general discharge.

I do think discharge is too harsh and bad policy, a better policy is that soldiers should just be discouraged or reprimanded if they don't keep tight-lipped about their sex life, just as they are about sexual harassment or racist views. It doesn't help you in any workplace.

[Hassett]

I think this is a step in the right direction.

[Greed and Death]

I don't see anything wrong with DADT, people should keep their sex lives to themselves.

The issue is that if someone is found to be gay, DADT requires their discharge.

In practice, this rarely happened as it was generally up to thee local commander to enforce it. Too many soldiers decided they'd rather be gay then get deployed and cheat the system only to get deployed. serve their contracts and then, maybe get a general discharge.

I do think discharge is too harsh and bad policy, a better policy is that soldiers should just be discouraged or reprimanded if they don't keep tight-lipped about their sex life, just as they are about sexual harassment or racist views. It doesn't help you in any workplace.

DADT discharge was a medical and honorable.

[New Genoa]

I'm getting damn tired of these overactive courts using far more authority than they should have acquired. The very concept of judicial review should be reevaluated Constitutionally and edited so that Courts will not have the authority to make decisions like this. The Courts are becoming as though a legislature of their own. All they have to do is scream "unconstitutional" and they can enforce whatever they please.

Marbury v. Madison...

[Grave_n_idle]

I'm getting damn tired of these overactive courts using far more authority than they should have acquired.

You're opposed to the courts ensuring that the law matches what is constitutionally allowed?

[Bydlostan (Ancient)]

I don't see anything wrong with DADT, people should keep their sex lives to themselves.

The issue is that if someone is found to be gay, DADT requires their discharge.

In practice, this rarely happened as it was generally up to thee local commander to enforce it. Too many soldiers decided they'd rather be gay then get deployed and cheat the system only to get deployed. serve their contracts and then, maybe get a general discharge.

I do think discharge is too harsh and bad policy, a better policy is that soldiers should just be discouraged or reprimanded if they don't keep tight-lipped about their sex life, just as they are about sexual harassment or racist views. It doesn't help you in any workplace.

DADT discharge was a medical and honorable.

I think it was still a bar to re-enlistment, though.

[SaintB]

I'm getting damn tired of these overactive courts using far more authority than they should have acquired.

You're opposed to the courts ensuring that the law matches what is constitutionally allowed?

Yeah, because its treating gays like REAL people.

[The Parkus Empire]

You could always get a sex change, the Government doesn't consider women competent enough for combat yet.

That's incorrect. Women in the military are trained for, and have fought and killed with distinction, overseas, they just can't be in infantry units because of the rape problems (99% male plus 1% female plus a whole lotta stress plus guys that enjoy killing equals problems). Female medics even once attached to infantry units had so many fucking scandals connected as a result that now even that isn't allowed.

[Zephie]

This is horrible. Now one of the few loopholes for dodging a potential draft is closed.

You could always get a sex change, the Government doesn't consider women competent enough for combat yet.

Eh, just because there's a bunch of feminazis running around, doesn't mean the rest of the women should be punished. I believe it's the responsibility of men to protect the women and children.

[Qwcasd]

Finally. 'bout time.

[Zephie]

You could always get a sex change, the Government doesn't consider women competent enough for combat yet.

That's incorrect. Women in the military are trained for, and have fought and killed with distinction, overseas, they just can't be in infantry units because of the rape problems (99% male plus 1% female plus a whole lotta stress plus guys that enjoy killing equals problems). Female medics even once attached to infantry units had so many fucking scandals connected as a result that now even that isn't allowed.

He's referring to women not having to sign up for the draft.

[The Parkus Empire]

soldiers should just be discouraged or reprimanded if they don't keep tight-lipped about their sex life

[The Parkus Empire]

He's referring to women not having to sign up for the draft.

Nah, I don't think he is. I think he's talking about infantry being closed to females.

[Potarius]

soldiers should just be discouraged or reprimanded if they don't keep tight-lipped about their sex life

Being tight-lipped isn't always the best way to go.

Looseness is good, too, especially on the outside.

[Cobhanglica]

More autocratic government by the courts under the premise of "constitutionality"; despite the fact that such decisions basically amount to the Court rewriting the Constitution to suit its views. There is absolutely nothing in the Constitution that could possibly be construed as giving gays an unalienable right to serve openly in the military.

[Xsyne]

He's referring to women not having to sign up for the draft.

Nah, I don't think he is. I think he's talking about infantry being closed to females.

Given that the remark was made in context of ways to avoid being drafted, I'm pretty sure it was in reference to women not having to sign up for the draft. Just call it a hunch.

[Peddieville]

This is horrible. Now one of the few loopholes for dodging a potential draft is closed.

You could always get a sex change, the Government doesn't consider women competent enough for combat yet.

Eh, just because there's a bunch of feminazis running around, doesn't mean the rest of the women should be punished. I believe it's the responsibility of men to protect the women and children.

And why can't women protect men?

[Greater Americania]

I'm getting damn tired of these overactive courts using far more authority than they should have acquired.

You're opposed to the courts ensuring that the law matches what is constitutionally allowed?

I'm getting tired of Courts pretending that what they want to see become a reality is the only Constitutional way to go.

[Holy Paradise]

More autocratic government by the courts under the premise of "constitutionality"; despite the fact that such decisions basically amount to the Court rewriting the Constitution to suit its views. There is absolutely nothing in the Constitution that could possibly be construed as giving gays an unalienable right to serve openly in the military.

I fail to see how this entire thing is a problem. Nowhere in the Bible does it say homosexuals can't serve in the armed forces, so the Religious Right has no real argument. Some homosexuals that were "outted" and discharged from the service were darn good soldiers (see greed and death's) post. This ruling isn't forcing gays to out themselves to join the military. We need more recruits. What is a drawback to this ruling? I can honestly not think of one.

[Bydlostan (Ancient)]

soldiers should just be discouraged or reprimanded if they don't keep tight-lipped about their sex life

What? Nobody wants to hear that shit.

Or did you detect a double entendre?

[The Parkus Empire]

Given that the remark was made in context of ways to avoid being drafted, I'm pretty sure it was in reference to women not having to sign up for the draft. Just call it a hunch.

Well he was speaking in present tense, and the draft was abolished by Nixon, so. . . .

[Zephie]

This is horrible. Now one of the few loopholes for dodging a potential draft is closed.

You could always get a sex change, the Government doesn't consider women competent enough for combat yet.

Eh, just because there's a bunch of feminazis running around, doesn't mean the rest of the women should be punished. I believe it's the responsibility of men to protect the women and children.

And why can't women protect men?

If you're a woman and want to be drafted, be my guest.

[Peddieville]

More autocratic government by the courts under the premise of "constitutionality"; despite the fact that such decisions basically amount to the Court rewriting the Constitution to suit its views. There is absolutely nothing in the Constitution that could possibly be construed as giving gays an unalienable right to serve openly in the military.

First off, the courts were designed to act as a check on the legislative branch through judicial review. This issue was settled over 200 years ago(see above post about Marbury v. Madison). Secondly, the First Amendment completely protects freedom of speech and expression in (nearly) all circumstances. Openly saying you are gay counts as expressing yourself. The government cannot discriminate based on this expression.

[Grave_n_idle]

I'm getting damn tired of these overactive courts using far more authority than they should have acquired.

You're opposed to the courts ensuring that the law matches what is constitutionally allowed?

I'm getting tired of Courts pretending that what they want to see become a reality is the only Constitutional way to go.

Did you even read the article? I realise you'd have had to click on a link, and then actually read and consider something, but it's a small sacrifice, really.

DADT is punishing people for free expression - it's contrary to the 1st Amendment. That's even ignoring questions about which other Constitutional articles are infringed.

It's hardly activism.