Don't Burn That Koran, demand a Huge Ransom "or Else"!

[Neu Mitanni]

The GMZ is a deliberate provocation, an effort to plant the black flag of Islam on sacred American territory...

Why don't you start eith this handy list of mosques already built on your "sacred" American soil: http://www.balaams-ass.com/alhaj/mosques.htm

I wasn't particularly arguing that all American soil is sacred, but now that you bring it up . . . .

And Islam has no place in America, or any Western nation, or anyplace in Dar al-Harb. Had the Founding Fathers known what we would be up against in the 21st century, they might have advocated for a revised First Amendment that specifically excludes from the definition of "religion" any political ideology that masquerades as a religion but includes a (brutal and oppressive) legal system intended to replace and destroy all other legal systems, including the Constitution. Or perhaps simply excluded Islam by name. In any event, such a revision is sorely needed today.

[Wilgrove]

*snip*

Korea failed to get people on our side,

Where did you learn history, anyway? The DPRK? Or maybe some public screw-ool in Berkeley?

and it created resistant movement,

STOP, YOU'RE KILLING ME!!!

Right, that mighty "resistance movement" that rolled across the DMZ in June 1950!

Vietnam and Iraq also had similar movement.

THERE YOU GO AGAIN!!!

Vietnam: the North Vietnamese, in violation of treaty, overran and conquered the South. The "resistance", e.g, the VC, was quickly revealed for what it was: a convenient fraud that quickly disappeared.

Iraq: "resistance" by Saddamite dead-enders and Islamo-Nazi terrorists.

You know, it's a strange thing, when one countries invades another country the people of the invaded country tends to resist and fight back. It is curious.

Yep, curiouser and curiouser. And you know what? Sometimes that "resistance" isn't really on the part of "the people." And sometimes that "resistance" is DEFEATED.

Also, when are you going to sign up for the military? I've asked you this question before, and I will continue to ask until I get an answer. I mean you talk a big game, but what about putting your money where your mouth is, or are you just a chicken hawk?

Ask all you want. It's cliched and idiotic, and not worthy of any other response than what you've gotten so far.

So basically you've slept through history class (which is not surprising) and you're a chicken hawk. You support war against the Muslims, and yet you won't sign up yourself. Why am I not surprised?

[Cannot think of a name]

but the other news guys--nbc, reuters-- are saying that there is no agreement.

I'm not deeing that anywhere. The sources I'm seeing include Reuters.

(Reuters) - A U.S. fundamentalist Christian pastor on Thursday called off his plan to burn copies of the Koran on Saturday.

Terry Jones, who heads the tiny, little-known Dove World Outreach Center church based in the Florida university town of Gainesville, said an agreement had been reached with Muslim leaders to move the controversial location of a planned Islamic cultural center amd mosque in New York.

http://in.reuters.com/article/idINIndia-51397920100909

Here ya go...I had to dig, google is behind the curve.

[Brewdomia]

The GMZ is a deliberate provocation, an effort to plant the black flag of Islam on sacred American territory...

Why don't you start eith this handy list of mosques already built on your "sacred" American soil: http://www.balaams-ass.com/alhaj/mosques.htm

I wasn't particularly arguing that all American soil is sacred, but now that you bring it up . . . .

And Islam has no place in America, or any Western nation, or anyplace in Dar al-Harb. Had the Founding Fathers known what we would be up against in the 21st century, they might have advocated for a revised First Amendment that specifically excludes from the definition of "religion" any political ideology that masquerades as a religion but includes a (brutal and oppressive) legal system intended to replace and destroy all other legal systems, including the Constitution. Or perhaps simply excluded Islam by name. In any event, such a revision is sorely needed today.

It's just a cycle. Hundreds of years ago, Christianity was like Saudi Arabia and before that Judaism. The only religion that doesn't have blood on it's hand is like...Buddhism.

So yea, you're mostly bullshitting.

[Holy Paradise]

The GMZ is a deliberate provocation, an effort to plant the black flag of Islam on sacred American territory...

Why don't you start eith this handy list of mosques already built on your "sacred" American soil: http://www.balaams-ass.com/alhaj/mosques.htm

I wasn't particularly arguing that all American soil is sacred, but now that you bring it up . . . .

And Islam has no place in America, or any Western nation, or anyplace in Dar al-Harb. Had the Founding Fathers known what we would be up against in the 21st century, they might have advocated for a revised First Amendment that specifically excludes from the definition of "religion" any political ideology that masquerades as a religion but includes a (brutal and oppressive) legal system intended to replace and destroy all other legal systems, including the Constitution. Or perhaps simply excluded Islam by name. In any event, such a revision is sorely needed today.

You're seriously suggesting that we amend the Constitution so as to make an exclusion to the 1st Amendment in the case of the Islamic faith.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry. You might as well ban religion then, because all religions have their respective psychopaths.

[Cannot think of a name]

The GMZ is a deliberate provocation, an effort to plant the black flag of Islam on sacred American territory...

Why don't you start eith this handy list of mosques already built on your "sacred" American soil: http://www.balaams-ass.com/alhaj/mosques.htm

I wasn't particularly arguing that all American soil is sacred, but now that you bring it up . . . .

And Islam has no place in America, or any Western nation, or anyplace in Dar al-Harb. Had the Founding Fathers known what we would be up against in the 21st century, they might have advocated for a revised First Amendment that specifically excludes from the definition of "religion" any political ideology that masquerades as a religion but includes a (brutal and oppressive) legal system intended to replace and destroy all other legal systems, including the Constitution. Or perhaps simply excluded Islam by name. In any event, such a revision is sorely needed today.

Well, they did have something similar in mind, though at the time it was called The Church of England.

[The Lone Alliance]

And btw: for all those who are so concerned about those poor pitiful persecuted Moslems and their precious sensitivities, WHERE THE F*** WERE YOU when the following incident took place:

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiap ... es.burned/

Yes, that's right: OUR OWN MILITARY (approved, no doubt, by the Kenyan imam) BURNED BIBLES in that shithole Afghanistan, lest certain treacherous, ungrateful, primitive bastards whom we happen to be DEFENDING go berserk at the thought someone might actually READ them, or even worse, convert to Christianity

Oops, I forgot: nobody's afraid to offend CHRISTIANS, because we don't RIOT and KILL those who "offend" us!

Hey Mit you're slipping.
You should be mad at the "Texan Imam" for that one.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... stributio/
They burned those bibles in 2008 when the video first came out.

That's right, those bibles were burned when Bush was in office.

Why? Read military law, it is ILLEGAL to try and convert people while working for the Military.
Those bibles were bought for the sole purpose of violating that law... Unless you tell me most US soldiers understand Pashto and Dari... I doubt that.

And I doubt many people in the US understand Pashto and Dari also, so shipping them all the way back to the US is kind of a stupid thing to do...
That and it would cost money, something that the government is always supposed to cut down on.

[Ifreann]

The GMZ is a deliberate provocation, an effort to plant the black flag of Islam on sacred American territory...

Why don't you start eith this handy list of mosques already built on your "sacred" American soil: http://www.balaams-ass.com/alhaj/mosques.htm

I wasn't particularly arguing that all American soil is sacred, but now that you bring it up . . . .

And Islam has no place in America, or any Western nation, or anyplace in Dar al-Harb. Had the Founding Fathers known what we would be up against in the 21st century, they might have advocated for a revised First Amendment that specifically excludes from the definition of "religion" any political ideology that masquerades as a religion but includes a (brutal and oppressive) legal system intended to replace and destroy all other legal systems, including the Constitution. Or perhaps simply excluded Islam by name. In any event, such a revision is sorely needed today.

If only there was some reference to Muslims in the supreme law of the US. Oh wait.

[Holy Paradise]

The GMZ is a deliberate provocation, an effort to plant the black flag of Islam on sacred American territory...

Why don't you start eith this handy list of mosques already built on your "sacred" American soil: http://www.balaams-ass.com/alhaj/mosques.htm

I wasn't particularly arguing that all American soil is sacred, but now that you bring it up . . . .

And Islam has no place in America, or any Western nation, or anyplace in Dar al-Harb. Had the Founding Fathers known what we would be up against in the 21st century, they might have advocated for a revised First Amendment that specifically excludes from the definition of "religion" any political ideology that masquerades as a religion but includes a (brutal and oppressive) legal system intended to replace and destroy all other legal systems, including the Constitution. Or perhaps simply excluded Islam by name. In any event, such a revision is sorely needed today.

If only there was some reference to Muslims in the supreme law of the US. Oh wait.

Obviously that was a typo. They clearly meant "Musclemen" not "musselmen". That's why we are now free to bro out and get swoll'.

[Daistallia 2104]

I wasn't particularly arguing that all American soil is sacred, but now that you bring it up . . . .

And Islam has no place in America, or any Western nation, or anyplace in Dar al-Harb. Had the Founding Fathers known what we would be up against in the 21st century, they might have advocated for a revised First Amendment that specifically excludes from the definition of "religion" any political ideology that masquerades as a religion but includes a (brutal and oppressive) legal system intended to replace and destroy all other legal systems, including the Constitution. Or perhaps simply excluded Islam by name. In any event, such a revision is sorely needed today.

Substitute Catholic, Irish, Chinese, Black, etc., etc., and you have the black history of USAmerican hate that's been fortunately rolled back.

Here ya go...I had to dig, google is behind the curve.

Excellent.

It's just a cycle. Hundreds of years ago, Christianity was like Saudi Arabia and before that Judaism. The only religion that doesn't have blood on it's hand is like...Buddhism.

So yea, you're mostly bullshitting.

Here as a praticing Buddhist to tell you Buddhism has plenty of blood on it's hands as well, and not all that long ago either...

[Genivar]

I'm sure Islam's collective response will be a polite "Go fuck yourself".

And I would say that if they don't want to save their books when they could, then they are in part to blame if those books are burnt.

What a load of horse dick. "Hey guys, let's, like, blackmail Muslims. It's win win, either we get money out of it, or we get to burn the Qu'ran and blame it on them, because they didn't pay us!". Yeah, you got us, chief, we're all fooled.

But, Ifreaaaaaaaaaaaann, all the other countries are acting like barbarians! You never let me do anything! I hate you! You ruined my LIFE!*slam*

Hey, if I can't build a church in Saudi Arabia next to Mecca, then Muslims can't worship here. It's that simple.

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Great so basically your saying *I don't like Islamic countries because they have no religious freedom, so to get back at them we should have no religious freedom either*. You hate them so much you want to be them. Wow.

[Unhealthy2]

Burning the Koran is no big deal. TheAmazingAtheist just made a video where he burned the Koran, the Bible, and the God Delusion.

[Genivar]

Burning the Koran is no big deal. TheAmazingAtheist just made a video where he burned the Koran, the Bible, and the God Delusion.

Theres a difference when you attack a religion from a my religion is better stance, and attacking religion in general.

[Unhealthy2]

Theres a difference when you attack a religion from a my religion is better stance, and attacking religion in general.

He didn't do it to attack anything. He did it to show that burning a book does not destroy the ideas, and that a book is nothing but a collection of ink and paper. Burning it accomplishes almost nothing.

[Innis-Gunn]

Burning the Koran is no big deal. TheAmazingAtheist just made a video where he burned the Koran, the Bible, and the God Delusion.

It's a big deal when the media jump on it. Fortunately TheAmazingAtheist isn't particularly well known outside of the self-righteous atheist circles.

[Unhealthy2]

It's a big deal when the media jump on it.

Only because we still live in a world where people seem to think that burning a book erases the information in said book. Look people, we don't live in the 1500's anymore. We have this thing called the "printing press."

Fortunately TheAmazingAtheist isn't particularly well known outside of the self-righteous atheist circles.

He's got 100,000+ subscribers. That's not a whole lot less than, say, Cenk Uygar of The Young Turks, who regularly appears on MSNBC.

[Innis-Gunn]

Only because we still live in a world where people seem to think that burning a book erases the information in said book. Look people, we don't live in the 1500's anymore. We have this thing called the "printing press."

And until such time as that changes acting pragmatically and discouraging book burning when it risks the lives of others should stay the norm.

He's got 100,000+ subscribers. That's not a whole lot less than, say, Cenk Uygar of The Young Turks, who regularly appears on MSNBC.

Pretty restricted to a specific group though.

[Unhealthy2]

And until such time as that changes acting pragmatically and discouraging book burning when it risks the lives of others should stay the norm.

Why should I have to placate stupid people?

[The Chelbrusitan]

They burn US flags all the time...they hate the US, and quite frankly after seeing their reaction to the not-yet-done koran buring....Burn baby burn...

Although they shouldn't due to the fact that they may step up hostilities against US troops in Afghanistan...

[Innis-Gunn]

And until such time as that changes acting pragmatically and discouraging book burning when it risks the lives of others should stay the norm.

Why should I have to placate stupid people?

Fine. You can feel superior and let others take the risk of your stubborn idealism above all else.

[Holy Paradise]

They burn US flags all the time...they hate the US, and quite frankly after seeing their reaction to the not-yet-done koran buring....Burn baby burn...

So, we should stoop down to the same level as the Islamic extremists, the 1% of the Muslim population that does such, and disrespect all Muslims.

[Unhealthy2]

Fine. You can feel superior and let others take the risk of your stubborn idealism above all else.

I don't feel like burning a book, but quite honestly, what you're asking me to do is quite a bit like telling me not to break a mirror on television, because some people might get violently upset about the bad luck it could bring.

[The Chelbrusitan]

They burn US flags all the time...they hate the US, and quite frankly after seeing their reaction to the not-yet-done koran burning....Burn baby burn...

So, we should stoop down to the same level as the Islamic extremists, the 1% of the Muslim population that does such, and disrespect all Muslims.

I must laugh at people's ignorance...Muslims do not like Americans...THEY HATE US. Do not give the the BS that you have muslims who are friends. They are pretending to be your friend, the koran tells them to blend in where they are not the majority. Muslims follow the koran, and you can call me a racist, call me prejudice, whatever, because I'm quite used to it. When I say I dislike Obama, people call me racist...which is false, if you dislike obama, you're a conservative, not a racist...

[Brewdomia]

They burn US flags all the time...they hate the US, and quite frankly after seeing their reaction to the not-yet-done koran burning....Burn baby burn...

So, we should stoop down to the same level as the Islamic extremists, the 1% of the Muslim population that does such, and disrespect all Muslims.

I must laugh at people's ignorance...Muslims do not like Americans...THEY HATE US. Do not give the the BS that you have muslims who are friends. They are pretending to be your friend, the koran tells them to blend in where they are not the majority. Muslims follow the koran, and you can call me a racist, call me prejudice, whatever, because I'm quite used to it. When I say I dislike Obama, people call me racist...which is false, if you dislike obama, you're a conservative, not a racist...

LSD also tells you that there are purple dragons.

[Ifreann]

Theres a difference when you attack a religion from a my religion is better stance, and attacking religion in general.

He didn't do it to attack anything. He did it to show that burning a book does not destroy the ideas, and that a book is nothing but a collection of ink and paper. Burning it accomplishes almost nothing.

Maybe if you and this TheAmazingAtheist live in a world without symbolism. The rest of us inhabit reality.