Why the minimum wage cannot help.

[Qwcasd]

Your response merely proves my point.

Stop the trolling.

[DaWoad]

Minimum wage? Yes, once. I was 16. My entire paycheck was my entertainment budget.

Good for you. Some of us have to pay things like student loans, car payments, insurance, food, bills, etc. Not everyone can waste their check on games.

If you have student loans, you are not likely to be making minimum wage.

Thats simply not true. There's no magical "hey passed highschool now you have a good job" line especially not during a recession.

[Intangelon]

show me the threads started by these slanders!

Dude, it's called click the forum button and find the Moderation forum. You can't be both as obtuse as you've shown in this thread AND that lazy...can you? I mean, bragging about being from a "rich family" means you're the kind of "rich" kid who expects everything done for them, sure, but that's not going to fly here. Sorry if your gold-plated mouse is too heavy to click more than once a minute.

[Risottia]

It is my firm belief that you are all lower class jealous cretins. It is clear in your coarse manner and your obvious poorness. So I will say this one more time you are lucky that I even deign to speak to you. Now go crawl back to your hovels you peasants.

Excuse me: the subject of your post was "Why half the People on this Forum are uncivilized degenerate" (and, as usual, you didn't realise you should have used the plural in the nominal predicate).
Then you said "you are ALL lower class jealous cretins" (and you forgot an hyphen there...).
"You're all" means "100%". "Half the people" means "50%". Take a clear stance, please!

[Grave_n_idle]

Real world. If you are making minimum wage, chances are you are in high school. No family to feed. Not even yourself to feed.

Horseshit.

I know, because I worked minimum wage for several years, here in the sunny USA. Because I was an immigrant, and that was my entry point into the workforce.

Real world. Your arguments suggest you've never experienced it.

Minimum wage? Yes, once. I was 16. My entire paycheck was my entertainment budget.

So wait - you're actually arguing that your experience is therefore everyone's? Come on, you're better than that.

Sibirsky once worked for minimum wage, while someone else paid for all his bills. Thus, everyone on minimum wage is living off their parents. What's so hard to understand?

Perfectly cromulant logic.

[Sibirsky]

Minimum wage? Yes, once. I was 16. My entire paycheck was my entertainment budget.

Oh WOW!

You entertainment budget. Well, excuuuuuse us.

You sure do know what hardship is don't you.

Yes I do. That was 13 years ago.

[Abdju]

I love this thread....

Best Entertainment Ever.

[Grave_n_idle]

Minimum wage? Yes, once. I was 16. My entire paycheck was my entertainment budget.

Good for you. Some of us have to pay things like student loans, car payments, insurance, food, bills, etc. Not everyone can waste their check on games.

If you have student loans, you are not likely to be making minimum wage.

10% of the population aren't even employed.

Graduates are taking McDonald's jobs.

You have met reality, haven't you? I mean, clearly you haven't kept in touch, but I assume you could pick it out in a crowd?

[New Chalcedon]

Real world. If you are making minimum wage, chances are you are in high school. No family to feed. Not even yourself to feed.

Horseshit.

I know, because I worked minimum wage for several years, here in the sunny USA. Because I was an immigrant, and that was my entry point into the workforce.

Real world. Your arguments suggest you've never experienced it.

Minimum wage? Yes, once. I was 16. My entire paycheck was my entertainment budget.

So wait - you're actually arguing that your experience is therefore everyone's? Come on, you're better than that.

Sibirsky once worked for minimum wage, while someone else paid for all his bills. Thus, everyone on minimum wage is living off their parents. What's so hard to understand?

Perfectly cromulant logic.

I must admit; I have met only a few economic conservatives who have ever actually had to support themselves off a minimum wage....or anything close to it.

[Intangelon]

As an addendum to my earlier post....

Australia has a high minimum wage - AUD$15.00/hour [For the Amerocentrics, that's about USD12.50/hour, give or take depending on exchange rate fluctuations] or something like that. If the OP was anything like right, we'd be suffering Zimbabwe-esque un(der)employment levels. Instead, our unemployment rate is 5.3% (and underemployment is proabably something like 8% on top of that - no big change there since about 1995 or so. We do seem to like our part-time working mums and students.....)

Yet, somehow, we've come through 2007, 2008, 2009 and (probably) 2010 without ever suffering a recession! How's things over there, America with the absurdly low minimum wage? Oh, you say things are bad, do you? Well, too bad. Perhaps you shouldn't have paid Mr. Friedman so much attention over the years - you might be better off now!

While I agree with you, there are a few problems with comparing Australia with the US. Scale being chief among them.

[Sibirsky]

As an addendum to my earlier post....

Australia has a high minimum wage - AUD$15.00/hour [For the Amerocentrics, that's about USD12.50/hour, give or take depending on exchange rate fluctuations] or something like that. If the OP was anything like right, we'd be suffering Zimbabwe-esque un(der)employment levels. Instead, our unemployment rate is 5.3% (and underemployment is proabably something like 8% on top of that - no big change there since about 1995 or so. We do seem to like our part-time working mums and students.....)

Yet, somehow, we've come through 2007, 2008, 2009 and (probably) 2010 without ever suffering a recession! How's things over there, America with the absurdly low minimum wage? Oh, you say things are bad, do you? Well, too bad. Perhaps you shouldn't have paid Mr. Friedman so much attention over the years - you might be better off now!

Please compare the unemployment rate of young workers to the rest of them. The numbers are not so pretty then.

And thank you abundance of resources, and China for a lack of recession.

[MisanthropicPopulism]

Real world. If you are making minimum wage, chances are you are in high school. No family to feed. Not even yourself to feed.

Horseshit.

I know, because I worked minimum wage for several years, here in the sunny USA. Because I was an immigrant, and that was my entry point into the workforce.

Real world. Your arguments suggest you've never experienced it.

Minimum wage? Yes, once. I was 16. My entire paycheck was my entertainment budget.

So wait - you're actually arguing that your experience is therefore everyone's? Come on, you're better than that.

Sibirsky once worked for minimum wage, while someone else paid for all his bills. Thus, everyone on minimum wage is living off their parents. What's so hard to understand?

Perfectly cromulant logic.

Perfect. Logical. Sense.
Since the minimum wage can't be lived off of, then it is a fact that no one is trying to live off of it.
See, logic.

[Grave_n_idle]

Real world. If you are making minimum wage, chances are you are in high school. No family to feed. Not even yourself to feed.

Horseshit.

I know, because I worked minimum wage for several years, here in the sunny USA. Because I was an immigrant, and that was my entry point into the workforce.

Real world. Your arguments suggest you've never experienced it.

Minimum wage? Yes, once. I was 16. My entire paycheck was my entertainment budget.

So wait - you're actually arguing that your experience is therefore everyone's? Come on, you're better than that.

Sibirsky once worked for minimum wage, while someone else paid for all his bills. Thus, everyone on minimum wage is living off their parents. What's so hard to understand?

Perfectly cromulant logic.

I must admit; I have met only a few economic conservatives who have ever actually had to support themselves off a minimum wage....or anything close to it.

That depends on your definition of 'economic conservative'. If you believe that fiscal responsibility is trying to minimise waste, and trying to make sure your incoming at least matches your outgoings... I'd imagine there are more of them.

The problem is that 'economic conservative' has basically come to mean "I don't want to pay tax".

[SaintB]

Minimum wage? Yes, once. I was 16. My entire paycheck was my entertainment budget.

Good for you. Some of us have to pay things like student loans, car payments, insurance, food, bills, etc. Not everyone can waste their check on games.

If you have student loans, you are not likely to be making minimum wage.

Thats simply not true. There's no magical "hey passed highschool now you have a good job" line especially not during a recession.

its not true at all, as I like to bring up I have a high school degree, a Bachelor's Degree, and an Associates Degree... all I have to show for them is a pile of debt and a string of piss ass mostly minimum wage jobs.

[Intangelon]

*snip pyramid*
"Chances are"? What does Johnny Mathis have to do with this?

Seriously though, can I get some kind of proof for that repeated claim? This summer there was a conspicuous lack of teenagers working the usual minimum wage jobs, so I'm finding your assertion hard to swallow. I can't full-on claim you're wrong, but I simply have no evidence that you're right.

A bit dated

http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2007/ ... imum-wage/

Most minimum wage earners are young. While 2.2% of all hourly workers earn minimum wage or less, just 1.4% of workers over the age of 25 are paid at or below the Federal minimum wage. More than half (51.2%) of minimum wage workers are between 16 and 24 years old. Another 21.2% are between 25 and 34.

Most minimum wage earners work in food service. Nearly two-thirds of those paid minimum wage (or less) are food service workers. Many of these people receive supplemental income in the form of tips, which the government does not track.

Most minimum wage earners never attended college. Just 1.2% of college graduates are paid the minimum wage. If you only have a high school degree, you’re more likely (1.9%) to be paid minimum wage. Those without a high school degree are nearly three times as likely (3.7%) to earn minimum wage. 59.8% of all minimum wage workers have no advanced education.

Thank you - I'll dig into this a little later.

[Inherentjoydom]

You are all slanderous cowards!

[Risottia]

Real world. If you are making minimum wage, chances are you are in high school. No family to feed. Not even yourself to feed.

Horseshit.

I know, because I worked minimum wage for several years, here in the sunny USA. Because I was an immigrant, and that was my entry point into the workforce.

Real world. Your arguments suggest you've never experienced it.

Minimum wage? Yes, once. I was 16. My entire paycheck was my entertainment budget.

So wait - you're actually arguing that your experience is therefore everyone's? Come on, you're better than that.

Sibirsky once worked for minimum wage, while someone else paid for all his bills. Thus, everyone on minimum wage is living off their parents. What's so hard to understand?

Perfectly cromulant logic.

Dunno about the US, but sure in Italy most young families with kids work for minimum wage (and in most cases, they can find only temporary jobs) and they have to rely on their elders' savings even for the essential expenses (rent/mortgage, utility bills, food).
This means that the minimum wage is too low - or that the prices are too high. It doesn't mean that the minimum wage is a bad idea.

[Intangelon]

You are all peasants I severely doubt you even read the New York Times.

And neither do you, unless you've forgotten your earlier trolling about "liberal elitists" who should "watch Fox News". You're not even a good bad troll.

[Qwcasd]

Minimum wage? Yes, once. I was 16. My entire paycheck was my entertainment budget.

Good for you. Some of us have to pay things like student loans, car payments, insurance, food, bills, etc. Not everyone can waste their check on games.

If you have student loans, you are not likely to be making minimum wage.

Don't know about that.

[Risottia]

You are all slanderous cowards!

Why do you waste your time talking to us if you think we're all cretins, degenerates and slanderous cowards?
Maybe you should talk to your money. You seem to like it more than us.

[Intangelon]

I love economics, its just a bunch of people who never had to do real work in their lives telling the poor how well off they are and that they should be so happy to have what they got and not want more.

I've always thought economics as a "science" had more in common with astrology than any actual science. When your credibility is lagging behind even psychology, you're missing something.

Why else would it seem like soothsayers at the bazaar whenever the media get more than one economist together to discuss the economy? Why else would Wall Street have caught the cold whenever Alan Greenspan sneezed...or adjusted his fucking TIE? Pseudo-science at best, chicanery and deception spun for optimum benefit of the one financing the economist at worst.

[Sibirsky]

i do have a trust fund

So, grandma and grandaddy gave you money.
Wow, we're so impressed. *yawn*

money is a sign of intelligince

Sure ...

Paris, the dumb ass that she is, makes over $2 million per year with her show, ads and whatever else she does. Do you?

[Birnadia]

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[Grave_n_idle]

Real world. If you are making minimum wage, chances are you are in high school. No family to feed. Not even yourself to feed.

Horseshit.

I know, because I worked minimum wage for several years, here in the sunny USA. Because I was an immigrant, and that was my entry point into the workforce.

Real world. Your arguments suggest you've never experienced it.

Minimum wage? Yes, once. I was 16. My entire paycheck was my entertainment budget.

So wait - you're actually arguing that your experience is therefore everyone's? Come on, you're better than that.

Sibirsky once worked for minimum wage, while someone else paid for all his bills. Thus, everyone on minimum wage is living off their parents. What's so hard to understand?

Perfectly cromulant logic.

Perfect. Logical. Sense.
Since the minimum wage can't be lived off of, then it is a fact that no one is trying to live off of it.
See, logic.

My. Brain. All salty.

*dies*

[Intangelon]

It is my firm belief that you are all lower class jealous cretins. It is clear in your coarse manner and your obvious poorness. So I will say this one more time you are lucky that I even deign to speak to you. Now go crawl back to your hovels you peasants.

Dude, going from teenage txtlols to some kind of Thurston Howell III, underbitten rant about the "peasants" marks you as, well...suffice it to say that ur doin' it rong.