Your stance on Police Brutality?

[Louis Van Boxel Woolf]

I suspect the trial or investigation should judge each individual incidence.

THERE IS NO TRIAL OR INVESTIGATION! THAT IS WHAT I HATE!!!!!!!!!

[The Phoenix Milita]

If the police had some guns or at least tasers then this would all be solved. Tasers don't do any permanent damage - and they work. As for a gun... point a club at someone and tell them to back up and then point a gun at someone and see the difference.

[Othyl]

I suspect the trial or investigation should judge each individual incidence.

THERE IS NO TRIAL OR INVESTIGATION! THAT IS WHAT I HATE!!!!!!!!!

Who would head such an investigation? Police? That seems ineffective.

[Techno-Soviet]

If the police had some guns or at least tasers then this would all be solved. Tasers don't do any permanent damage - and they work. As for a gun... point a club at someone and tell them to back up and then point a gun at someone and see the difference.

What about that fellow who was tasered to death by police because he didn't speak English well enough?

[The Phoenix Milita]

Let me ask you this: Would you rather be bludgeoned to death and die slowly of internal injuries or take the small risk of dying suddenly from being tasered?

[Grays Harbor]

here in america most policemen are whiny fat babies who weren't even fit enough to pass the miniscule requirements to get in the U.S army. is britain pretty much the same?

That is certainly one of the more ill informed opinions on American Police Officers I believe I have seen. I really would like to see a source on that, because I have serious doubts there is one beyond personal opinion.

[Gift-of-god]

Yes, that is a regretful accident. However, perhaps he should have thought to himself, "lets see....big protest........police and protesters clashing........yes, I should not walk right down the middle of it because I am obviously innocent." before he took that route? Or does common sense not count anymore?

I see. So, if the conditions were as you described them (which they were not, but no matter), and he did what you described, I would agree that it would show a lack of common sense.

Do you think a lack of common sense is reason enough to be beaten to death?

Scum. Those cops are scum. They will rot in hell for all eternity. Everyday, government assholes like themselves push me closer and closer to anarcho-capitalism.

If we had a private police force, their employees would be subject to laws just like anybody else. They would not be able to hide behind their government issued badge. The incentive would be to use as little power as possible. In these cases, these scumbags would go to jail for assault and murder. The employees would not be power hungry, authoritarian nut cases that tend to join the government police forces in today's society. It would be too expensive to hire assholes like that.

And how would they be held accountable? Who would arrest them? And do you have any evidence that it would be less expensive, or do you just have some untested economic hypothesis?

Currently, police forces can be helf accountable a myriad of ways, because they are public officials. I have yet to hear of a private system that does better. If you know of one, please enlighten me.

I suspect the trial or investigation should judge each individual incidence.

THERE IS NO TRIAL OR INVESTIGATION! THAT IS WHAT I HATE!!!!!!!!!

Who would head such an investigation? Police? That seems ineffective.

The most effective method, so far, has been independent public boards of inquiry staffed by non-police officers.

[Colonic Immigration]

I like watching riots - sticks and stones vs. batons, rubber bullets and riot shields.


Not really a contest.

[Booya1]

here in america most policemen are whiny fat babies who weren't even fit enough to pass the miniscule requirements to get in the U.S army. is britain pretty much the same?

That is certainly one of the more ill informed opinions on American Police Officers I believe I have seen. I really would like to see a source on that, because I have serious doubts there is one beyond personal opinion.

source on them being whiny babies or source on them all failing to meet the requirements for the army? 'cause the army thing was just hyperbole.

[Yootopia]

If we had a private police force, their employees would be subject to laws just like anybody else. They would not be able to hide behind their government issued badge. The incentive would be to use as little power as possible.

Err wtf are you talking about -_-

If the people given the power of arrest were employees of a private company, then what's to stop them arbitrarily locking people up for purely economic reasons, with shitty prisons and all that? "You buy Pepsi, a night in the cells young miss" etc.

"Oh but we could sue them". Yeah but they're still the police, and if a private company is in charge, they could just make residents sign a waiver agreeing not to sue the police. And anyone who didn't sign the waiver wouldn't be covered, and hired thieves would just break into their house until they DID sign. That's what I'd do if I was running a private police company for maximum profit.

[Yootopia]

Cops will always get away with it unless God himself points his finger at the cop.

You could have a video of a cop about to arrest a guy, guy could trip over and the cop would shoot him 35 times claiming that as the suspect fell over he reach out for my hand and it was obvious he was trying to kill me. I shot him 12 times, reloaded, shot another 12 times then his leg twitched which is an obvious sign of him resisting arrest and shot him another 12 times.

Then the judge will say well even though the offcer shot the suspect 24 times, the suspects leg twitched while on the edge of death so the officer's life was still in danger.

Honestly if a cop unjustifiably shot me several times and doesn't kill me, after I recover I will kill him. Count on it.

Wow, you're so manly etc. *swoon*

[Mad hatters in jeans]

I'm sure it wasn't just a one sided police brawl for fun, i'm pretty sure there were the usual hotheads and idiots who go to these riots to join in.
And it costs alot of money to train the police just so the rioters can have their fun at protesting, i mean alot of money.
So i have no sympathy for those in the protests in London, why should i have to fork out money just to let them get an opportunity to slag off police officers?

[Gift-of-god]

I'm sure it wasn't just a one sided police brawl for fun, i'm pretty sure there were the usual hotheads and idiots who go to these riots to join in.

Then I'm sure you have evidence for such a claim.

And it costs alot of money to train the police just so the rioters can have their fun at protesting, i mean alot of money.
So i have no sympathy for those in the protests in London, why should i have to fork out money just to let them get an opportunity to slag off police officers?

Because the cops are not getting paid to hang out with rioters. They are paid to maintain peace and order. If they are unable to do that while others are exercising their democratic right to protest, then they are incapable of doing their jobs.

[Risottia]

They all demonstrate how the Police widely abuse their power in Britain and how political freedoms are slowly being curtailed! I think this is disgusting!

Hello Britain, welcome to the rest of the world, where policemen aren't that nice after all.

As for the British record, I think that the pursuit and cold-blooded homicide of a Brazilian immigrant by plainclothes agents (who didn't even bother to identify themselves) still rules.

As for Italy, I might point out that just a couple of weeks ago four policemen were sentenced for manslaughter (as consequence of assault, battery and severe injuries) for the death of a young man they were arresting. Also, this week another policemen is expected to be sentenced to 14 years (prosecutor's request) for homicide - he shot and killed an unarmed guy who was walking away from a minor brawl.

Yup. There are many idiots around; and when the idiots are in the police, the problem is worse, because they are armed.

[Warner Channel]

I hate these bloody Bobbies.

Odio estos sangrientos Bobbies.

[Sibirsky]

Your stance on Police Brutality?

I'm all for it as long as its not directed at me or my family and friends...

I hope more of it IS directed at YOU for saying stupid shit like that.

[Risottia]

I suspect the trial or investigation should judge each individual incidence.

THERE IS NO TRIAL OR INVESTIGATION! THAT IS WHAT I HATE!!!!!!!!!

Who would head such an investigation? Police? That seems ineffective.

I thought that usually investigations were headed by a prosecutor (which is not part of the police).

[Sibirsky]

If we had a private police force, their employees would be subject to laws just like anybody else. They would not be able to hide behind their government issued badge. The incentive would be to use as little power as possible.

Err wtf are you talking about -_-

If the people given the power of arrest were employees of a private company, then what's to stop them arbitrarily locking people up for purely economic reasons, with shitty prisons and all that? "You buy Pepsi, a night in the cells young miss" etc.

"Oh but we could sue them". Yeah but they're still the police, and if a private company is in charge, they could just make residents sign a waiver agreeing not to sue the police. And anyone who didn't sign the waiver wouldn't be covered, and hired thieves would just break into their house until they DID sign. That's what I'd do if I was running a private police company for maximum profit.

And I would hire a COMPETING agency to protect myself. So your protection agency would go out of business shortly thereafter as more and more people left you. As far as the waivers, there could be a law against such a thing. Problem solved. They are not exempt from lawsuits.

[Louis Van Boxel Woolf]

No in Britain, it is headed by the IPCC (Indpendent Police Complaints Commision) which is chaired by non police officers, they can say where the police went wrong and give their verdict on whether the Police were in the wrong or the right, but they do not have the power to sentence police officers!
Also Police hiding their ID numbers, disgraceful...

[Baycosa]

Cops should not be your everyday run of the mill neighbourhood friendly police, let the police be the police, if you get beat up you obviously done something to deserve it.

Police are meant to beat, lock up and shoot (prehaps not in that order) troublemakers and lawbreakers.

[Gift-of-god]

And I would hire a COMPETING agency to protect myself. So your protection agency would go out of business shortly thereafter as more and more people left you. As far as the waivers, there could be a law against such a thing. Problem solved. They are not exempt from lawsuits.

How do you ensure that the competing police force does not do the same thing?
How do you enforce such a law against waivers or lawsuits, or any law for that restricts the police forces that are covered by these laws?

[Sibirsky]

Who wants to bet me, that those English cops do not serve more than 15 years if convicted? I am not sure about the sentencing guidelines in the UK, but had they been employees of a private agency, they would inevitably serve more time. And both the employee and employer would end up in civil court as well. The victims family would win tens of millions of pounds in damages. Exactly why such a thing would never happen with a private police force.

[Sibirsky]

Cops should not be your everyday run of the mill neighbourhood friendly police, let the police be the police, if you get beat up you obviously done something to deserve it.

Police are meant to beat, lock up and shoot (prehaps not in that order) troublemakers and lawbreakers.

The guy in the first video was walking away with his back turned to them. Those officers should get the death penalty as far as I'm concerned. There is no excuse for their behavior.

[Gift-of-god]

Who wants to bet me, that those English cops do not serve more than 15 years if convicted? I am not sure about the sentencing guidelines in the UK, but had they been employees of a private agency, they would inevitably serve more time. And both the employee and employer would end up in civil court as well. The victims family would win tens of millions of pounds in damages. Exactly why such a thing would never happen with a private police force.

I read a comic book where the world worked like this. It had talking monkeys. Reality does not work this way.

Perhaps you have some evidence that shows that private police forces are more accountable than public ones, but I doubt it.

[Louis Van Boxel Woolf]

Cops should not be your everyday run of the mill neighbourhood friendly police, let the police be the police, if you get beat up you obviously done something to deserve it.

Police are meant to beat, lock up and shoot (prehaps not in that order) troublemakers and lawbreakers.

WHAT? Did you see Mr Tomlinson, he was walking away! In the 3rd vid the guy who now has brain damage, what was he doing?