Your stance on Police Brutality?

[Gift-of-god]

They will not get convicted of murder. They will get convicted of manslaughter or some other lesser offense.

Civil suits, as well as criminal suits would make the cost of police brutality too high.

Can you not bring a civil suit against the police department right now?

[Sibirsky]

Well, in my mind, you don't just privatize the police. The police would be one of the later things to privatize. Before that you'd be doing stuff like privatizing education and building on that 'informed consumer' idea that true capitalism requires. Through such actions as that, you would be lowering the impact of the sheep and building up a culture of action once again so that the people in a position to act, would be more inclined to. Just because society is a mass of pointless slobs now, doesn't mean they always have been or always will be. The world doesn't improve by assuming that no one will do anything different.

However, I never advocated completely eliminating the government, it should just take a more observational role in my opinion. They'd enforce the anti-trust laws with security firms. Balance out the immediate benefits of starting up a cartel, or getting government funding and support.

Of course. If we are talking about the United States we should start with Chrysler. And GM. And Citigroup. Then Amtrak. Then the post office. Police are not very high up on the list.

[Sibirsky]

They will not get convicted of murder. They will get convicted of manslaughter or some other lesser offense.

Civil suits, as well as criminal suits would make the cost of police brutality too high.

Can you not bring a civil suit against the police department right now?

Of course you can. Good luck beating the government in court.

[Baycosa]

Of course you can. Good luck beating the government in court.

Yep look at Rodney King, it ended in a race riot. Don't bring cops to court, leave the police alone

To avoid getting the boot by police, follow Chris Rock
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8

Learn to live with police

[Dyakovo]

As I previously stated, it is my belief that by privatizing the police force, the number of cases of police brutality and use of excessive force would drop.

Because you have a rather unreasonable world view.

Police brutality happens in part due to the stress of the job, a private police force isn't going to change that.

It also happens in part because some people who are attracted to the job are dicks and let the power go to their head. This also wouldn't be changed by a private police force.

The only thing that would change is that the bosses of a private police force main goal would be to make money.

In a private police force, using force would not be financially advantegeous and that's why authoritarian dicks would be less likely to apply for such jobs.

Do you have proof of this? As has been pointed out, and you agreed to the example, we do have an example of a private police force...
Can you show that there is no brutality committed by bounty hunters?

[Sibirsky]

Do you have proof of this? As has been pointed out, and you agreed to the example, we do have an example of a private police force...
Can you show that there is no brutality committed by bounty hunters?

Bounty hunters go after fugitives. Hardly the same as regular citizens who have not been convicted of any crime.

[Gift-of-god]

They will not get convicted of murder. They will get convicted of manslaughter or some other lesser offense.

Civil suits, as well as criminal suits would make the cost of police brutality too high.

Can you not bring a civil suit against the police department right now?

Of course you can. Good luck beating the government in court.

Why would it be any easier to take these fanstastic private police forces to court?

[Saint Clair Island]

Why wouldn't it be financially advantageous? People pay you to investigate, say, a robbery. If you shoot the robber 20 times to kill him after he agrees to go peacefully, you still get paid, and just like government police you can get acquitted if you convince a judge it was self-defense or something -- and make the guy suing you pay your legal fees, since you work for a person (i.e. a corporation) instead of the government. Where's the financial disadvantage?

It's not economical because they'd bring the suit against the police. The police would have to cut into their profit margins. Just because you used excessive force and are now being sued doesn't mean that you can just foot the bill on whoever hired you, they'd say no. You were paid for the robbery, no one is going to pay your legal fees, or damages should you lose.

Who'd bring suit against the police? The guy who hired you? Why? -- he paid you to stop the robber, you did, everyone's happy. The robber's family? More likely. And your defence? He was breaking the law, yeah we had to shoot him but it was in self-defense, we thought he was armed etc. etc. -- can a private citizen be prosecuted for using "excessive force" in defending his home? And so on, and so forth. Likely outcome (according to precedent)? You get acquitted, robber's family has to compensate you for your legal fees (adding injury to insult), police brutality still happens.

Of course you can. Good luck beating the government in court.

The government gets beaten in court about as often as do private companies when the suit is brought by individuals.

[Dyakovo]

Do you have proof of this? As has been pointed out, and you agreed to the example, we do have an example of a private police force...
Can you show that there is no brutality committed by bounty hunters?

Bounty hunters go after fugitives. Hardly the same as regular citizens who have not been convicted of any crime.

So, in other words, no you can't...

Also, apparently, brutality is fine as long as the person has been convicted of a crime, at least according to you.

[JuNii]

My stance on Police Brutality?

it's bad. an abuse of power that shouldn't be excused.

but does that mean any case of a beating/smackdown by the police is police brutality? no.

[Sibirsky]

Why would it be any easier to take these fanstastic private police forces to court?

Because they are not government employees.

[JuNii]

Why would it be any easier to take these fanstastic private police forces to court?

Because they are not government employees.

which means they can afford the best lawyers.

[Sibirsky]

Do you have proof of this? As has been pointed out, and you agreed to the example, we do have an example of a private police force...
Can you show that there is no brutality committed by bounty hunters?

Bounty hunters go after fugitives. Hardly the same as regular citizens who have not been convicted of any crime.

So, in other words, no you can't...

Also, apparently, brutality is fine as long as the person has been convicted of a crime, at least according to you.

No, I didn't say that. All I said was that you cannot compare a fugitive to a random person on the street.

[Gift-of-god]

Why would it be any easier to take these fanstastic private police forces to court?

Because they are not government employees.

I know they would not be government employees. What I was asking was: what difference does that make?

[Conserative Morality]

I know they would not be government employees. What I was asking was: what difference does that make?

GoG, he already stated his reason, that government employees get better lawyers when sued in court. I don't agree with it, but he's already said it.

[Saint Clair Island]

I know they would not be government employees. What I was asking was: what difference does that make?

GoG, he already stated his reason, that government employees get better lawyers when sued in court. I don't agree with it, but he's already said it.

But they don't really -- lawyers are private citizens, and anyone with enough money can hire a good one.

[Dyakovo]

Bounty hunters go after fugitives. Hardly the same as regular citizens who have not been convicted of any crime.

So, in other words, no you can't...

Also, apparently, brutality is fine as long as the person has been convicted of a crime, at least according to you.

No, I didn't say that. All I said was that you cannot compare a fugitive to a random person on the street.

It still goes back to you have no evidence that a private police force would not commit brutality, and in fact plenty of evidence that they would if you are willing to consider bounty hunters as a private police force, which is something that you have already done.

You have destroyed your own argument.

Because they are not government employees.

I know they would not be government employees. What I was asking was: what difference does that make?

Real-world answer: It would make no difference whatsoever...

[Gift-of-god]

I know they would not be government employees. What I was asking was: what difference does that make?

GoG, he already stated his reason, that government employees get better lawyers when sued in court. I don't agree with it, but he's already said it.

Really? I thought that was JuNii. Nor was there any evidence presented to back up that assertion, I believe.

[JuNii]

I know they would not be government employees. What I was asking was: what difference does that make?

GoG, he already stated his reason, that government employees get better lawyers when sued in court. I don't agree with it, but he's already said it.

no they don't. think about it. the DA is technically a Government Lawyer.

if the Government employee's get better lawyers, then they would never lose a case... or at least have a higher percentage of "wins" to be considered almost undefeated.

[JuNii]

I know they would not be government employees. What I was asking was: what difference does that make?

GoG, he already stated his reason, that government employees get better lawyers when sued in court. I don't agree with it, but he's already said it.

Really? I thought that was JuNii. Nor was there any evidence presented to back up that assertion, I believe.

actually, my statement said Private citizens get better lawyers...

[Gift-of-god]

Really? I thought that was JuNii. Nor was there any evidence presented to back up that assertion, I believe.

actually, my statement said Private citizens get better lawyers...

My mistake.

[Sibirsky]

Government has consistently shown itself to make poor decisions. I mean just look at the Obama administartion's handling of the financial crisis. And what gives them the right to use a monopoly of force to ensure there is no monopoly of force?

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

He was walking away. The past does not matter. They had no right to push him.

The Arctic Seas

What if "in the past" he was hostile towards the officers then walked away just to get a brick, that was when police started "pushing" him and at this point som schmuck to flip on a camera and yell out "Police violence!!!"

Yes, what if we could pull any random hypothetical scenario out of our asses? What then? Surely that would justify what happened in this video.

[Saint Clair Island]

Government has consistently shown itself to make poor decisions. I mean just look at the Obama administartion's handling of the financial crisis.

Is the Obama administration handling the financial crisis poorly?

And what gives them the right to use a monopoly of force to ensure there is no monopoly of force?

The purpose of government is, bluntly speaking, to keep people in line. And as far as I know nobody is prohibited from starting their own private police force, there just isn't much call for it.

[Sibirsky]

Government has consistently shown itself to make poor decisions. I mean just look at the Obama administartion's handling of the financial crisis.

Is the Obama administration handling the financial crisis poorly?

And what gives them the right to use a monopoly of force to ensure there is no monopoly of force?

The purpose of government is, bluntly speaking, to keep people in line. And as far as I know nobody is prohibited from starting their own private police force, there just isn't much call for it.

Are you serious? What the Obama administration is doing is about the exact opposite of what should be done. However this is not the thread for this discussion.

There isn't much of a call for a private police force, because the government has a monopoly on it.