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Postby Apollonesia » Tue Sep 28, 2010 5:53 pm

Don't be wise-ass. If you also believe that Israel is equivalent to Nazi Germany, you're a fool.
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Postby Geniasis » Tue Sep 28, 2010 5:58 pm

Apollonesia wrote:Don't be wise-ass. If you also believe that Israel is equivalent to Nazi Germany, you're a fool.


I'm not being a wise-ass, I just want you to show me where this line is that's been crossed. Avoid emotive reasoning.
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Postby Apollonesia » Tue Sep 28, 2010 6:25 pm

In my opinion, comparing Jews to the Third Reich is completely inappropriate. I'm an Orthodox Jew. Pardon me for being offended. :eyebrow:
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Postby Juristonia » Tue Sep 28, 2010 8:48 pm

That's emotive reasoning.
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Postby Federalist Territories » Tue Sep 28, 2010 10:58 pm

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Federalist Territories wrote:In order to kill a monster, you must become one


Oh come on. Even the grandaddy of nihilism didn't buy into that.

He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you.

Apollonesia wrote:You are really crossing the line here, mate. When Israel ruthlessly murders 11 million innocent Palestinians, then say that.


Show me this imaginary line. I want to see it.


I could care less what nihilists think, thats my logic. In order to break the will of the enemy, you have to be able to go to the extremes that they themselves have no problems crossing. It's simple logic, no one is afraid of someone with a weaker will. Their are three types of people in the world, the good people, the evil people and the category i call the forsaken. Good people carry all the virtues, they despise violence "turn the other cheek", compassionate, empathetic, honorable people and also defenseless. These good people will jeopardize their virtues even if it means their death. The evil people, corrupt, chaotic, violent, they feed off of it, they crave power through fear and strength, true monsters. The "forsaken" which i label them are people who understand that these evil people will destroy all that is good in their world without a defense sacrifice themselves and in effect become what they hate to protect that which they love. Thats why soldiers suffer from post traumatic stress syndrome. True soldiers, not the ones looking for money for college or "career skills" but true soldiers understand this logic that they do not join so they can shoot people but times such as times like these, it has to be done.War eats the soul, and you will become what you hate to protect what you love.

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Postby Geniasis » Tue Sep 28, 2010 11:15 pm

Federalist Territories wrote:I could care less what nihilists think, thats my logic.


An extreme Nihilist would tell you that morality doesn't exist, so there's your lesson on philosophy.

In order to break the will of the enemy, you have to be able to go to the extremes that they themselves have no problems crossing. It's simple logic, no one is afraid of someone with a weaker will.


And yet from your posts I don't perceive you to have a stronger will. I find you to be petty.

Their are three types of people in the world, the good people, the evil people and the category i call the forsaken.


No no, the Forsaken are part of the Horde. They're not like a third faction or anything.

Good people carry all the virtues, they despise violence "turn the other cheek", compassionate, empathetic, honorable people and also defenseless. These good people will jeopardize their virtues even if it means their death. The evil people, corrupt, chaotic, violent, they feed off of it, they crave power through fear and strength, true monsters. The "forsaken" which i label them are people who understand that these evil people will destroy all that is good in their world without a defense sacrifice themselves and in effect become what they hate to protect that which they love.


Cite anything to back this up. Please. Even if it's in crayon. Even if all you're supporting is that period at the end of your sentence. Give something concrete.

Thats why soldiers suffer from post traumatic stress syndrome.


That's odd, I thought it was caused by psychological trauma?

True soldiers, not the ones looking for money for college or "career skills" but true soldiers understand this logic that they do not join so they can shoot people but times such as times like these, it has to be done.War eats the soul, and you will become what you hate to protect what you love.


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Postby Nodinia » Wed Sep 29, 2010 2:59 am

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All their actions? So you support colonialism.....?


Just saying, there is some good to be said for colonies...


No, you'll find there really, really isn't.

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Postby Laerod » Wed Sep 29, 2010 3:49 am

Apollonesia wrote:In my opinion, comparing Jews to the Third Reich is completely inappropriate. I'm an Orthodox Jew. Pardon me for being offended. :eyebrow:

It's not inappropriate to compare. To say they are the same would be.

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Postby Islamic Hazarastan » Wed Sep 29, 2010 10:11 am

Apollonesia wrote:In my opinion, comparing Jews to the Third Reich is completely inappropriate. I'm an Orthodox Jew. Pardon me for being offended. :eyebrow:

Equating Muslims (or even Palestinians) to terrorists is inappropriate, but it still happens a lot...
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Postby New Korongo » Wed Sep 29, 2010 2:01 pm

Who cares, everyone in that part of the world is a barbarian

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Postby Newest Accord » Thu Sep 30, 2010 2:44 am

Laerod wrote:
Apollonesia wrote:In my opinion, comparing Jews to the Third Reich is completely inappropriate. I'm an Orthodox Jew. Pardon me for being offended. :eyebrow:

It's not inappropriate to compare. To say they are the same would be.

I completely disagree with that statement. Actually; both of yours'. If you're a Ortho-Jew you should know your holy books right? Talmud before Old Testament; right?

I say Jews are just following their holy war on the Gentiles, (Non-Jews) as written in the Talmud. It's not their fault. It's a religious thing.

It's for Gentile re-education and not intended as a personal attack on the posters.
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Postby Innsmothe » Thu Sep 30, 2010 2:54 am

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Laerod wrote:It's not inappropriate to compare. To say they are the same would be.

I completely disagree with that statement. Actually; both of yours'. If you're a Ortho-Jew you should know your holy books right? Talmud before Old Testament; right?

I say Jews are just following their holy war on the Gentiles, (Non-Jews) as written in the Talmud. It's not their fault. It's a religious thing.

It's for Gentile re-education and not intended as a personal attack on the posters.



It does say the the holy land cannot be founded until the moshiach has come, or so the Ultra-orthodoxy believe. >.>
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Hydesland wrote:I don't think Israel actively target civilians, I just think their methods are just too careless and will result in collateral civilian deaths.

Using White Phosphorus on civilians is not being careless; it's targeted.
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Postby Laerod » Thu Sep 30, 2010 2:55 am

Newest Accord wrote:
Laerod wrote:It's not inappropriate to compare. To say they are the same would be.

I completely disagree with that statement. Actually; both of yours'. If you're a Ortho-Jew you should know your holy books right? Talmud before Old Testament; right?

I say Jews are just following their holy war on the Gentiles, (Non-Jews) as written in the Talmud. It's not their fault. It's a religious thing.

It's for Gentile re-education and not intended as a personal attack on the posters.

Right. What are you saying? That you disagree with it being inappropriate to compare them as well as it being appropriate?

Okay, looked at your video. Saw that it was 7 minutes long and started with a quote from the Talmud that... well... isn't from the Talmud, and thought "Fuck this, I've got better things to do."
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Innsmothe wrote:
Newest Accord wrote:I completely disagree with that statement. Actually; both of yours'. If you're a Ortho-Jew you should know your holy books right? Talmud before Old Testament; right?

I say Jews are just following their holy war on the Gentiles, (Non-Jews) as written in the Talmud. It's not their fault. It's a religious thing.

It's for Gentile re-education and not intended as a personal attack on the posters.



It does say the the holy land cannot be founded until the moshiach has come, or so the Ultra-orthodoxy believe. >.>

So does that mean the extermination of non-Jews will be after Yeshua Hamashiach has arrived to lead the fight? Tell that to the rest of them then. And here's an interesting origin story of the Jew:
http://www.africanamericanbiblicalheritage.com/
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Postby Laerod » Thu Sep 30, 2010 3:10 am

Newest Accord wrote:So does that mean the extermination of non-Jews will be after Yeshua Hamashiach has arrived to lead the fight?

Where does it say that?

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Laerod wrote:
Newest Accord wrote:I completely disagree with that statement. Actually; both of yours'. If you're a Ortho-Jew you should know your holy books right? Talmud before Old Testament; right?

I say Jews are just following their holy war on the Gentiles, (Non-Jews) as written in the Talmud. It's not their fault. It's a religious thing.

It's for Gentile re-education and not intended as a personal attack on the posters.

Right. What are you saying? That you disagree with it being inappropriate to compare them as well as it being appropriate?

Okay, looked at your video. Saw that it was 7 minutes long and started with a quote from the Talmud that... well... isn't from the Talmud, and thought "Fuck this, I've got better things to do."

Ok; I'll sum it up for you. Jews are God's people, only his people can have this earth, and all non-Jews (Gentiles) are to be exterminated. Sound familiar? It's in the holiest book of the Jew. Watch the damn video.

Islam says the same about their God and their Holy mission is the extermination or subjugation of non-believers. People wonder why the National Socialists defend against both? Preservation!
We're not bowing down to either of them so both can keep their religions to themselves.
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Postby Laerod » Thu Sep 30, 2010 3:24 am

Newest Accord wrote:Ok; I'll sum it up for you. Jews are God's people, only his people can have this earth, and all non-Jews (Gentiles) are to be exterminated. Sound familiar? It's in the holiest book of the Jew. Watch the damn video.

I watched until the first quote. I googled "Libbre David 37", which is its source. There is no Libbre David 37 in the Talmud. All I could find was sites debunking that source or sites claiming it as evidence against Jews. If it had been from the Talmud, then at least one of my hits would have been an online version thereof. But it wasn't. Not. A. Single. One.
And there are online versions of the Talmud.

Your source is bunk if it's not quoting the Talmud. And I've gone ahead and proven it isn't.
Islam says the same about their God and their Holy mission is the extermination or subjugation of non-believers. People wonder why the National Socialists defend against both? Preservation!

Delusion stemming from an inability to look up sources, more like.

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Postby Newest Accord » Thu Sep 30, 2010 3:32 am

Laerod wrote:
Newest Accord wrote:Ok; I'll sum it up for you. Jews are God's people, only his people can have this earth, and all non-Jews (Gentiles) are to be exterminated. Sound familiar? It's in the holiest book of the Jew. Watch the damn video.

I watched until the first quote. I googled "Libbre David 37", which is its source. There is no Libbre David 37 in the Talmud. All I could find was sites debunking that source or sites claiming it as evidence against Jews. If it had been from the Talmud, then at least one of my hits would have been an online version thereof. But it wasn't. Not. A. Single. One.
And there are online versions of the Talmud.

Your source is bunk if it's not quoting the Talmud. And I've gone ahead and proven it isn't.
Islam says the same about their God and their Holy mission is the extermination or subjugation of non-believers. People wonder why the National Socialists defend against both? Preservation!

Delusion stemming from an inability to look up sources, more like.

I didn't expect less in a response. I've already posted on Islam elsewhere...with all the proof anyone would need. If you want to read this 'holy' drivel be my guest.
http://www.come-and-hear.com/tcontents.html
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Postby Nodinia » Thu Sep 30, 2010 3:33 am

Newest Accord wrote:.............. People wonder why the National Socialists defend against both? .......


Not really - its obviously bigotry.

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Postby Laerod » Thu Sep 30, 2010 3:39 am

Newest Accord wrote:I didn't expect less in a response.

Are you going to attempt to defend your assertations or admit you're wrong?

Or will you keep mumbling bullshit about the Jewish conspiracy to yourself in the hope that it helps you ignore reality?

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Postby Schlauberger » Thu Sep 30, 2010 3:46 am

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Laerod wrote:It's not inappropriate to compare. To say they are the same would be.

I completely disagree with that statement. Actually; both of yours'. If you're a Ortho-Jew you should know your holy books right? Talmud before Old Testament; right?

I say Jews are just following their holy war on the Gentiles, (Non-Jews) as written in the Talmud. It's not their fault. It's a religious thing.

It's for Gentile re-education and not intended as a personal attack on the posters.


This is hilarious. You attempt to "re-educate the Gentiles" and school an Orthodox Jew on the Talmud by posting a youtube video that digs up a bunch of fabricated quotes and distortions created by neo-nazis. I've read the Talmud cover to cover both in Hebrew and in English. Show me where in the Talmud the tractates "Libbre David," "Seph. Jp.," "Hadarine," or "Gad. Shas." appear and I'll give you a million dollars.

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Schlauberger wrote:
Newest Accord wrote:I completely disagree with that statement. Actually; both of yours'. If you're a Ortho-Jew you should know your holy books right? Talmud before Old Testament; right?

I say Jews are just following their holy war on the Gentiles, (Non-Jews) as written in the Talmud. It's not their fault. It's a religious thing.

It's for Gentile re-education and not intended as a personal attack on the posters.


This is hilarious. You attempt to "re-educate the Gentiles" and school an Orthodox Jew on the Talmud by posting a youtube video that digs up a bunch of fabricated quotes and distortions created by neo-nazis. I've read the Talmud cover to cover both in Hebrew and in English. Show me where in the Talmud the tractates "Libbre David," "Seph. Jp.," "Hadarine," or "Gad. Shas." appear and I'll give you a million dollars.

Then you should know it better than I. They are your collection of books...it's there somewhere.
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It keeps piling up: Seriously. No one would take the time to go to this extent to put out false information. Jewish media says no; it's a lie. Huh?
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Postby Laerod » Thu Sep 30, 2010 4:01 am

Newest Accord wrote:Then you should know it better than I. They are your collection of books...it's there somewhere.
Try here: http://www.come-and-hear.com/babamezia/babamezia_24.html

Good job. Now compare
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with what it actually says.

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Newest Accord wrote:
Schlauberger wrote:
This is hilarious. You attempt to "re-educate the Gentiles" and school an Orthodox Jew on the Talmud by posting a youtube video that digs up a bunch of fabricated quotes and distortions created by neo-nazis. I've read the Talmud cover to cover both in Hebrew and in English. Show me where in the Talmud the tractates "Libbre David," "Seph. Jp.," "Hadarine," or "Gad. Shas." appear and I'll give you a million dollars.

Then you should know it better than I. They are your collection of books...it's there somewhere.[/i]


Again, it's not there. There are no such tractates as "Libbre David" or "Hadarine" any of the others I mentioned. The youtube video you linked to is just made up of a bunch of fabrications and distortions that are frequently circulated around the neo-nazi community, and has no basis in reality whatsoever. My million dollar offer still stands.

Statement from poster: The Talmud is the Satanic version of the Torah. The Jews have an oral version of the Torah called the Tenach, or which some call the Talmud, but the Talmud a minority of real Jews are familiar with is not the Talmud being used today. The Babylonian Talmud has taken precedence since 1905 and is blasphemous. In fact every Jew today is taught through this particular Talmud. It refers to Jesus as an idol, and His worshippers as idolaters. It claims Jesus was into beastiality and is burning in hell in a pool of semen. Now where would that come from? Satan Himself. The books of the Talmud are based on the teachings of the Pharisees. To understand why Jesus held such contempt towards this ancient sect of elitists, Christians must have some knowledge of the books of the Talmud—a set of 63 books written by ancient rabbis. These books contain the legal code which is the basis of todays Judaism and Jewish law. In fact, Talmudic Judaism is primarily a legal system in a literal sense. It has little to do with religion. It is more of an ancient political cult group with many followers who are not openly Jewish. This is why so many Jews openly claim to be Jewish and atheist at the same time.


Oh look, more thoroughly false neo-nazi drivel.

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