Good for Obama!!!

[Zephie]

I find it amusing the number of people that think that with a wave of the magic wand everything will be fixed.

Yes, and sadly, Obama is one of those people. He has to be, because he has taken no action to help the USA's economy. In fact, employment rates have actually gone up!

NO action?

why would you say that?

its obvious that the actions that he has managed to get through the congress havent been enough but its false to say that there has been no action.

Are you part of his cabinet? Has your quality of life increased since his presidency? Has it even remained stable at the very least? Not mine.

[Mad hatters in jeans]

I find it amusing the number of people that think that with a wave of the magic wand everything will be fixed.

No one is asking for a magic wand wave. If you're referring to how little seems to have got done since November of '08, the Democrats had enormous momentum, and pretty conclusive numbers - and failed to push through much of anything.

Now, we can discuss why - the desire to appear non-partisan (post-partisan, even), perhaps - or the desire to be differentiated from what had gone immediately before... or maybe, just a complete lack of preparation or determination... but a lot of people are frustrated that, given a mandate, nothing really changed.

they cant transform the entire country.

doesnt any of this count?

Wall Street reform
Credit card reform
Stimulus aka recovery and reinvestment act
Lilly Ledbetter equal pay for equal work act
Hate crimes prevention act
Student loan reform (piggybacked on healthcare)
Healthcare reform
Cancelled the F-22
Funded energy and science research
Nuclear arms treaty with Russia

i have a better list somewhere.....

The blue is vague.
The red is irrelevant.
The green is bad.

you have terrible colour coding.
green should be good
red should be bad
blue should be neutral.

[Ashmoria]

I find it amusing the number of people that think that with a wave of the magic wand everything will be fixed.

Yes, and sadly, Obama is one of those people. He has to be, because he has taken no action to help the USA's economy. In fact, employment rates have actually gone up!

A $3.27 trillion stimulus isn't enough for you? What would you like him to do instead? Sell all of America's first-born children into slavery to pay off our debts?

The solution to the deficit? Spend 3 trillion, brilliant.

that is conflating 2 different problems.

[Ashmoria]

I find it amusing the number of people that think that with a wave of the magic wand everything will be fixed.

No one is asking for a magic wand wave. If you're referring to how little seems to have got done since November of '08, the Democrats had enormous momentum, and pretty conclusive numbers - and failed to push through much of anything.

Now, we can discuss why - the desire to appear non-partisan (post-partisan, even), perhaps - or the desire to be differentiated from what had gone immediately before... or maybe, just a complete lack of preparation or determination... but a lot of people are frustrated that, given a mandate, nothing really changed.

they cant transform the entire country.

doesnt any of this count?

Wall Street reform
Credit card reform
Stimulus aka recovery and reinvestment act
Lilly Ledbetter equal pay for equal work act
Hate crimes prevention act
Student loan reform (piggybacked on healthcare)
Healthcare reform
Cancelled the F-22
Funded energy and science research
Nuclear arms treaty with Russia

i have a better list somewhere.....

The blue is vague.
The red is irrelevant.
The green is bad.

whatever.

[Ashmoria]

I find it amusing the number of people that think that with a wave of the magic wand everything will be fixed.

Yes, and sadly, Obama is one of those people. He has to be, because he has taken no action to help the USA's economy. In fact, employment rates have actually gone up!

NO action?

why would you say that?

its obvious that the actions that he has managed to get through the congress havent been enough but its false to say that there has been no action.

Are you part of his cabinet? Has your quality of life increased since his presidency? Has it even remained stable at the very least? Not mine.

he has started dragging the economy out of the hole that the bush administration put it into. its been stalled as much as possible by the republicans.

i would have liked more of a stimulus but that is all they could get through. we need another stimulus but it was a bitter fight just to get enough money so the states and cities dont have to lay off teachers, firefighters and police officers.

[Zephie]

I find it amusing the number of people that think that with a wave of the magic wand everything will be fixed.

Yes, and sadly, Obama is one of those people. He has to be, because he has taken no action to help the USA's economy. In fact, employment rates have actually gone up!

NO action?

why would you say that?

its obvious that the actions that he has managed to get through the congress havent been enough but its false to say that there has been no action.

Are you part of his cabinet? Has your quality of life increased since his presidency? Has it even remained stable at the very least? Not mine.

he has started dragging the economy out of the hole that the bush administration put it into. its been stalled as much as possible by the republicans.

i would have liked more of a stimulus but that is all they could get through. we need another stimulus but it was a bitter fight just to get enough money so the states and cities dont have to lay off teachers, firefighters and police officers.

Wut? Do you know where the "stimulus" money comes from?

[Ashmoria]

I find it amusing the number of people that think that with a wave of the magic wand everything will be fixed.

Yes, and sadly, Obama is one of those people. He has to be, because he has taken no action to help the USA's economy. In fact, employment rates have actually gone up!

NO action?

why would you say that?

its obvious that the actions that he has managed to get through the congress havent been enough but its false to say that there has been no action.

Are you part of his cabinet? Has your quality of life increased since his presidency? Has it even remained stable at the very least? Not mine.

he has started dragging the economy out of the hole that the bush administration put it into. its been stalled as much as possible by the republicans.

i would have liked more of a stimulus but that is all they could get through. we need another stimulus but it was a bitter fight just to get enough money so the states and cities dont have to lay off teachers, firefighters and police officers.

Wut? Do you know where the "stimulus" money comes from?

what else is the president supposed to do to get the economy going again?

[Zephie]

I find it amusing the number of people that think that with a wave of the magic wand everything will be fixed.

Yes, and sadly, Obama is one of those people. He has to be, because he has taken no action to help the USA's economy. In fact, employment rates have actually gone up!

NO action?

why would you say that?

its obvious that the actions that he has managed to get through the congress havent been enough but its false to say that there has been no action.

Are you part of his cabinet? Has your quality of life increased since his presidency? Has it even remained stable at the very least? Not mine.

he has started dragging the economy out of the hole that the bush administration put it into. its been stalled as much as possible by the republicans.

i would have liked more of a stimulus but that is all they could get through. we need another stimulus but it was a bitter fight just to get enough money so the states and cities dont have to lay off teachers, firefighters and police officers.

Wut? Do you know where the "stimulus" money comes from?

what else is the president supposed to do to get the economy going again?

Stop spending.

[Ashmoria]

I find it amusing the number of people that think that with a wave of the magic wand everything will be fixed.

Yes, and sadly, Obama is one of those people. He has to be, because he has taken no action to help the USA's economy. In fact, employment rates have actually gone up!

NO action?

why would you say that?

its obvious that the actions that he has managed to get through the congress havent been enough but its false to say that there has been no action.

Are you part of his cabinet? Has your quality of life increased since his presidency? Has it even remained stable at the very least? Not mine.

he has started dragging the economy out of the hole that the bush administration put it into. its been stalled as much as possible by the republicans.

i would have liked more of a stimulus but that is all they could get through. we need another stimulus but it was a bitter fight just to get enough money so the states and cities dont have to lay off teachers, firefighters and police officers.

Wut? Do you know where the "stimulus" money comes from?

what else is the president supposed to do to get the economy going again?

Stop spending.

lol

that isnt a very good idea.

[Zephie]

I find it amusing the number of people that think that with a wave of the magic wand everything will be fixed.

Yes, and sadly, Obama is one of those people. He has to be, because he has taken no action to help the USA's economy. In fact, employment rates have actually gone up!

NO action?

why would you say that?

its obvious that the actions that he has managed to get through the congress havent been enough but its false to say that there has been no action.

Are you part of his cabinet? Has your quality of life increased since his presidency? Has it even remained stable at the very least? Not mine.

he has started dragging the economy out of the hole that the bush administration put it into. its been stalled as much as possible by the republicans.

i would have liked more of a stimulus but that is all they could get through. we need another stimulus but it was a bitter fight just to get enough money so the states and cities dont have to lay off teachers, firefighters and police officers.

Wut? Do you know where the "stimulus" money comes from?

what else is the president supposed to do to get the economy going again?

Stop spending.

lol

that isnt a very good idea.

lol I forgot we live in a culture where we buy things and worry about paying for them later.

[Ashmoria]

I find it amusing the number of people that think that with a wave of the magic wand everything will be fixed.

Yes, and sadly, Obama is one of those people. He has to be, because he has taken no action to help the USA's economy. In fact, employment rates have actually gone up!

NO action?

why would you say that?

its obvious that the actions that he has managed to get through the congress havent been enough but its false to say that there has been no action.

Are you part of his cabinet? Has your quality of life increased since his presidency? Has it even remained stable at the very least? Not mine.

he has started dragging the economy out of the hole that the bush administration put it into. its been stalled as much as possible by the republicans.

i would have liked more of a stimulus but that is all they could get through. we need another stimulus but it was a bitter fight just to get enough money so the states and cities dont have to lay off teachers, firefighters and police officers.

Wut? Do you know where the "stimulus" money comes from?

what else is the president supposed to do to get the economy going again?

Stop spending.

lol

that isnt a very good idea.

lol I forgot we live in a culture where we buy things and worry about paying for them later.

no the problem is that you have no understanding of how the economy works and what tools the government has to get us out of a recession.

[Zephie]

no the problem is that you have no understanding of how the economy works and what tools the government has to get us out of a recession.

Stealing from the people to pay for the failures of large corporations? I thought liberals didn't like huge companies.

[Ashmoria]

no the problem is that you have no understanding of how the economy works and what tools the government has to get us out of a recession.

Stealing from the people to pay for the failures of large corporations? I thought liberals didn't like huge companies.

yeah

it doesnt make much sense to let the country go into a depression because "i dont like huge companies".

[Zephie]

no the problem is that you have no understanding of how the economy works and what tools the government has to get us out of a recession.

Stealing from the people to pay for the failures of large corporations? I thought liberals didn't like huge companies.

yeah

it doesnt make much sense to let the country go into a depression because "i dont like huge companies".

lol wut? Are you implying unless we make rich people richer, we are going to go into a depression?

[Ashmoria]

no the problem is that you have no understanding of how the economy works and what tools the government has to get us out of a recession.

Stealing from the people to pay for the failures of large corporations? I thought liberals didn't like huge companies.

yeah

it doesnt make much sense to let the country go into a depression because "i dont like huge companies".

lol wut? Are you implying unless we make rich people richer, we are going to go into a depression?

no

im saying that the government has to spend money when there is no money in the economy. money that we dont have. even if i dont like the way we got into economic trouble. even if some of the money makes rich men richer.

[Zephie]

no the problem is that you have no understanding of how the economy works and what tools the government has to get us out of a recession.

Stealing from the people to pay for the failures of large corporations? I thought liberals didn't like huge companies.

yeah

it doesnt make much sense to let the country go into a depression because "i dont like huge companies".

lol wut? Are you implying unless we make rich people richer, we are going to go into a depression?

no

im saying that the government has to spend money when there is no money in the economy. money that we dont have. even if i dont like the way we got into economic trouble. even if some of the money makes rich men richer.

How does giving large corporations money make the consumer spend more money?

[Ashmoria]

no the problem is that you have no understanding of how the economy works and what tools the government has to get us out of a recession.

Stealing from the people to pay for the failures of large corporations? I thought liberals didn't like huge companies.

yeah

it doesnt make much sense to let the country go into a depression because "i dont like huge companies".

lol wut? Are you implying unless we make rich people richer, we are going to go into a depression?

no

im saying that the government has to spend money when there is no money in the economy. money that we dont have. even if i dont like the way we got into economic trouble. even if some of the money makes rich men richer.

How does giving large corporations money make the consumer spend more money?

well if we take the example of GM it works by keeping them employed and making sure that the auto suppliers dont go bankrupt (keeping all those people employed and the dealerships open).

for the rest its not "giving" large corporations money. its giving various bidders the money to do infrastructure projects.

[Grave_n_idle]

I find it amusing the number of people that think that with a wave of the magic wand everything will be fixed.

Yes, and sadly, Obama is one of those people. He has to be, because he has taken no action to help the USA's economy. In fact, employment rates have actually gone up!

A $3.27 trillion stimulus isn't enough for you? What would you like him to do instead? Sell all of America's first-born children into slavery to pay off our debts?

It has been proven that the stimulus did not work...

No, it hasn't.

[Grave_n_idle]

It was a failure. How can anyone believe you can save money by spending money?

It's called 'investment'. Most of the corporate world runs on it, day in, day out.

I'm kinda surprised the concept is new to you. But... not that surprised.

[Grave_n_idle]

He's a socialist white-hating tyrant, nothing he does is good

Even Beck has now backed off from the 'white-hating' fringe, and now just blames Obama for being the wrong kind of Christian.

Seriously, how far out do you have to be, that Beck looks like a rational reference point?

i know that questioning other people's christianity is an american tradition but where does beck get off suggesting that the president isnt a good enough christian?

It's not that he's not good enough... it's just he's the wrong kind.

Beck leans more towards the Seven Mountains Mandate theology popularised by (the public humiliations of) the C Street Christian Mafia.

[Grave_n_idle]

I find it amusing the number of people that think that with a wave of the magic wand everything will be fixed.

No one is asking for a magic wand wave. If you're referring to how little seems to have got done since November of '08, the Democrats had enormous momentum, and pretty conclusive numbers - and failed to push through much of anything.

Now, we can discuss why - the desire to appear non-partisan (post-partisan, even), perhaps - or the desire to be differentiated from what had gone immediately before... or maybe, just a complete lack of preparation or determination... but a lot of people are frustrated that, given a mandate, nothing really changed.

they cant transform the entire country.

doesnt any of this count?

Wall Street reform
Credit card reform
Stimulus aka recovery and reinvestment act
Lilly Ledbetter equal pay for equal work act
Hate crimes prevention act
Student loan reform (piggybacked on healthcare)
Healthcare reform
Cancelled the F-22
Funded energy and science research
Nuclear arms treaty with Russia

i have a better list somewhere.....

Cosmetic. Wall Street reform was wallpaper over cracks. Healthcare reform didn't touch healthcare. Credit Card reform made some little gestures at some of the worst excesses, while allowing the credit card companies to push all the excess elsewhere.

I'm not saying nothing got done. I'm saying nothing substantial got done.

[Grave_n_idle]

I find it amusing the number of people that think that with a wave of the magic wand everything will be fixed.

No one is asking for a magic wand wave. If you're referring to how little seems to have got done since November of '08, the Democrats had enormous momentum, and pretty conclusive numbers - and failed to push through much of anything.

Now, we can discuss why - the desire to appear non-partisan (post-partisan, even), perhaps - or the desire to be differentiated from what had gone immediately before... or maybe, just a complete lack of preparation or determination... but a lot of people are frustrated that, given a mandate, nothing really changed.

they cant transform the entire country.

doesnt any of this count?

Wall Street reform
Credit card reform
Stimulus aka recovery and reinvestment act
Lilly Ledbetter equal pay for equal work act
Hate crimes prevention act
Student loan reform (piggybacked on healthcare)
Healthcare reform
Cancelled the F-22
Funded energy and science research
Nuclear arms treaty with Russia

i have a better list somewhere.....

The blue is vague.
The red is irrelevant.
The green is bad.

you have terrible colour coding.
green should be good
red should be bad
blue should be neutral.

As unusual as it is for me to agree with Zephie - green is bad. You're right, green SHOULD have been good, but what we got wasn't really healthcare reform.

[Xsyne]

I find it amusing the number of people that think that with a wave of the magic wand everything will be fixed.

No one is asking for a magic wand wave. If you're referring to how little seems to have got done since November of '08, the Democrats had enormous momentum, and pretty conclusive numbers - and failed to push through much of anything.

Now, we can discuss why - the desire to appear non-partisan (post-partisan, even), perhaps - or the desire to be differentiated from what had gone immediately before... or maybe, just a complete lack of preparation or determination... but a lot of people are frustrated that, given a mandate, nothing really changed.

they cant transform the entire country.

doesnt any of this count?

Wall Street reform
Credit card reform
Stimulus aka recovery and reinvestment act
Lilly Ledbetter equal pay for equal work act
Hate crimes prevention act
Student loan reform (piggybacked on healthcare)
Healthcare reform
Cancelled the F-22
Funded energy and science research
Nuclear arms treaty with Russia

i have a better list somewhere.....

The blue is vague.
The red is irrelevant.
The green is bad.

you have terrible colour coding.
green should be good
red should be bad
blue should be neutral.

As unusual as it is for me to agree with Zephie - green is bad. You're right, green SHOULD have been good, but what we got wasn't really healthcare reform.

He's referring to the choice of colors.

[Coccygia]

Whoopee doo. Now if he could just run the country, we'd be all set.

Why? He already got the Nobel Peace Prize. He IS set.

Nobel Peace prize for what? Being the first half black president?

No, for not being George W. Bush. Which, I must admit, is quite a step up.

[Xsyne]

I find it amusing the number of people that think that with a wave of the magic wand everything will be fixed.

Yes, and sadly, Obama is one of those people. He has to be, because he has taken no action to help the USA's economy. In fact, employment rates have actually gone up!

NO action?

why would you say that?

its obvious that the actions that he has managed to get through the congress havent been enough but its false to say that there has been no action.

Are you part of his cabinet? Has your quality of life increased since his presidency? Has it even remained stable at the very least? Not mine.

he has started dragging the economy out of the hole that the bush administration put it into. its been stalled as much as possible by the republicans.

i would have liked more of a stimulus but that is all they could get through. we need another stimulus but it was a bitter fight just to get enough money so the states and cities dont have to lay off teachers, firefighters and police officers.

Wut? Do you know where the "stimulus" money comes from?

what else is the president supposed to do to get the economy going again?

Stop spending.

I dare you to find one economist on the planet who would say that a decrease in the amount of money circulating in the economy would be of benefit during a recession.