Good for Obama!!!

[Zephie]

I find it amusing the number of people that think that with a wave of the magic wand everything will be fixed.

Yes, and sadly, Obama is one of those people. He has to be, because he has taken no action to help the USA's economy. In fact, employment rates have actually gone up!

A $3.27 trillion stimulus isn't enough for you? What would you like him to do instead? Sell all of America's first-born children into slavery to pay off our debts?

It has been proven that the stimulus did not work...

Of course it didn't. Obama is a nepotist.

Um, what? A nepotist is one who grants favors toward family and or friends without regards to merit.

Are you implying trillions of dollars went to Michelle for a shopping spree?

No, went to his criminal friends on wall street, especially those that funded his campaign.

[Avenio]

I find it amusing the number of people that think that with a wave of the magic wand everything will be fixed.

Yes, and sadly, Obama is one of those people. He has to be, because he has taken no action to help the USA's economy. In fact, employment rates have actually gone up!

A $3.27 trillion stimulus isn't enough for you? What would you like him to do instead? Sell all of America's first-born children into slavery to pay off our debts?

It has been proven that the stimulus did not work...

Really? Care to prove that? And you still haven't said what he should do instead in order to 'fix' the economy.

Hey, I have no idea how to fix the economy okay? I was just stating the fact that it failed, I believe there was even a thread on the stimulus failing a little while ago.

Then mayhaps you shouldn't say Obama has done nothing to help, eh? He did do something, you may not agree with it, but it is something. And I'm not taking your word on the 'failure' of the stimulus. Provide a link to the thread, Google some information on it, something. Otherwise its just hearsay.

[Zephie]

I find it amusing the number of people that think that with a wave of the magic wand everything will be fixed.

Yes, and sadly, Obama is one of those people. He has to be, because he has taken no action to help the USA's economy. In fact, employment rates have actually gone up!

A $3.27 trillion stimulus isn't enough for you? What would you like him to do instead? Sell all of America's first-born children into slavery to pay off our debts?

It has been proven that the stimulus did not work...

Really? Care to prove that? And you still haven't said what he should do instead in order to 'fix' the economy.

Hey, I have no idea how to fix the economy okay? I was just stating the fact that it failed, I believe there was even a thread on the stimulus failing a little while ago.

Then mayhaps you shouldn't say Obama has done nothing to help, eh? He did do something, you may not agree with it, but it is something. And I'm not taking your word on the 'failure' of the stimulus. Provide a link to the thread, Google some information on it, something. Otherwise its just hearsay.

It was a failure. How can anyone believe you can save money by spending money? It's about as silly as the health care legislation giving health care to 40 million Americans without increase taxes or increasing the deficit.

[Free Outer Eugenia]

I find it amusing the number of people that think that with a wave of the magic wand everything will be fixed.

Yes, and sadly, Obama is one of those people. He has to be, because he has taken no action to help the USA's economy. In fact, employment rates have actually gone up!

A $3.27 trillion stimulus isn't enough for you? What would you like him to do instead? Sell all of America's first-born children into slavery to pay off our debts?

It has been proven that the stimulus did not work...

Really? Care to prove that? And you still haven't said what he should do instead in order to 'fix' the economy.

Hey, I have no idea how to fix the economy okay? I was just stating the fact that it failed, I believe there was even a thread on the stimulus failing a little while ago.

Then mayhaps you shouldn't say Obama has done nothing to help, eh? He did do something, you may not agree with it, but it is something. And I'm not taking your word on the 'failure' of the stimulus. Provide a link to the thread, Google some information on it, something. Otherwise its just hearsay.

Provide the same for how my own ongoing alternative stimulus initiative to put a trillion dollars into a burning pit is any less effective and then we'll talk

[Norstal]

It was a failure. How can anyone believe you can save money by spending money? It's about as silly as the health care legislation giving health care to 40 million Americans without increase taxes or increasing the deficit.

Because the private companies will do it for them? The health care bill is nothing more than moar regulations.

Then mayhaps you shouldn't say Obama has done nothing to help, eh? He did do something, you may not agree with it, but it is something. And I'm not taking your word on the 'failure' of the stimulus. Provide a link to the thread, Google some information on it, something. Otherwise its just hearsay.

AIG

[Free Outer Eugenia]

It was a failure. How can anyone believe you can save money by spending money? It's about as silly as the health care legislation giving health care to 40 million Americans without increase taxes or increasing the deficit.

Because the private companies will do it for them? The health care bill is nothing more than moar regulations.

If only! As far as I can see it's mostly the creation for an even more cast iron captive customer base for the big insurance corps the hegemony of which has largely made the US health-care the godawful mess that it is. For the most part it simply further institutionalizes what is admittedly a failed system.

[Norstal]

It was a failure. How can anyone believe you can save money by spending money? It's about as silly as the health care legislation giving health care to 40 million Americans without increase taxes or increasing the deficit.

Because the private companies will do it for them? The health care bill is nothing more than moar regulations.

If only! As far as I can see it's mostly the creation for an even more cast iron captive customer base for the big insurance corps the hegemony of which has largely made the US health-care the godawful mess that it is. For the most part it simply further institutionalizes what is admittedly a failed system.

I never agreed with Obamacare, but its too early to determine its results. Besides, this health care bill will require those big insurance fat cats to shell out more money for coverage (of land area) and we the customers only have to pay peanuts for it. Which I am hoping it will work (let's be optimistic about Obama shall we? Its his first term, anyone else who is president after Bush would be a step up anyways). Those big insurances only had small coverage, where it didn't cover the entire U.S and the people had to pay $$$ for it. If they had big coverage, the people will have to pay less $$$.

[Avenio]

I find it amusing the number of people that think that with a wave of the magic wand everything will be fixed.

Yes, and sadly, Obama is one of those people. He has to be, because he has taken no action to help the USA's economy. In fact, employment rates have actually gone up!

A $3.27 trillion stimulus isn't enough for you? What would you like him to do instead? Sell all of America's first-born children into slavery to pay off our debts?

It has been proven that the stimulus did not work...

Really? Care to prove that? And you still haven't said what he should do instead in order to 'fix' the economy.

Hey, I have no idea how to fix the economy okay? I was just stating the fact that it failed, I believe there was even a thread on the stimulus failing a little while ago.

Then mayhaps you shouldn't say Obama has done nothing to help, eh? He did do something, you may not agree with it, but it is something. And I'm not taking your word on the 'failure' of the stimulus. Provide a link to the thread, Google some information on it, something. Otherwise its just hearsay.

It was a failure. How can anyone believe you can save money by spending money? It's about as silly as the health care legislation giving health care to 40 million Americans without increase taxes or increasing the deficit.

Keynesian economics. But I do agree with you, he should have raised taxes and institute a proper healthcare system, like the rest of the Western world, rather than the morass that was the compromise. And I've yet to see any proof that the stimulus 'failed'. Surely, if it was so obvious, it should be easy to find sources detailing in minute detail why and how it didn't work, and yet I've found just the opposite.

Then mayhaps you shouldn't say Obama has done nothing to help, eh? He did do something, you may not agree with it, but it is something. And I'm not taking your word on the 'failure' of the stimulus. Provide a link to the thread, Google some information on it, something. Otherwise its just hearsay.

AIG

Good. Now what about the rest of the economy?

[Norstal]

Then mayhaps you shouldn't say Obama has done nothing to help, eh? He did do something, you may not agree with it, but it is something. And I'm not taking your word on the 'failure' of the stimulus. Provide a link to the thread, Google some information on it, something. Otherwise its just hearsay.

AIG

Good. Now what about the rest of the economy?

Running fine I guess. It was just an example how the stimulus failed, but the stimulus had other successes. Though I still think its too early to determine if the stimulus is either.

[Free Outer Eugenia]

It was hell of good for wealthy bankers. This we know for sure.

[Zephie]

I find it amusing the number of people that think that with a wave of the magic wand everything will be fixed.

Yes, and sadly, Obama is one of those people. He has to be, because he has taken no action to help the USA's economy. In fact, employment rates have actually gone up!

A $3.27 trillion stimulus isn't enough for you? What would you like him to do instead? Sell all of America's first-born children into slavery to pay off our debts?

It has been proven that the stimulus did not work...

Really? Care to prove that? And you still haven't said what he should do instead in order to 'fix' the economy.

Hey, I have no idea how to fix the economy okay? I was just stating the fact that it failed, I believe there was even a thread on the stimulus failing a little while ago.

Then mayhaps you shouldn't say Obama has done nothing to help, eh? He did do something, you may not agree with it, but it is something. And I'm not taking your word on the 'failure' of the stimulus. Provide a link to the thread, Google some information on it, something. Otherwise its just hearsay.

It was a failure. How can anyone believe you can save money by spending money? It's about as silly as the health care legislation giving health care to 40 million Americans without increase taxes or increasing the deficit.

Keynesian economics. But I do agree with you, he should have raised taxes and institute a proper healthcare system, like the rest of the Western world, rather than the morass that was the compromise. And I've yet to see any proof that the stimulus 'failed'. Surely, if it was so obvious, it should be easy to find sources detailing in minute detail why and how it didn't work, and yet I've found just the opposite.

Then mayhaps you shouldn't say Obama has done nothing to help, eh? He did do something, you may not agree with it, but it is something. And I'm not taking your word on the 'failure' of the stimulus. Provide a link to the thread, Google some information on it, something. Otherwise its just hearsay.

AIG

Good. Now what about the rest of the economy?

Well, theoretically, it was a (one time)tax increase. When the government prints more money, they are essentially sucking wealth out of every single dollar we own.

[Free Outer Eugenia]

One of these days I'd like to see an "opposite stimulus." You know- a stimulus the effect of which will be unknown as far as the big bankers and capitalists go for about a decade but will be observably positive for working folks from the get-go.

[Ashmoria]

Isn't Obama still on vacation?

no

About time he got off his ass and started to do his job; how about he start by fixing the economy?

Obama = Change... I call bullshit.

just what do you suggest he do?

he cant even get the republicans in the senate to agree to a loan program for small business--the very demographic that the republicans claim to want to help more than anything else in the world.

[Ashmoria]

He's a socialist white-hating tyrant, nothing he does is good

Even Beck has now backed off from the 'white-hating' fringe, and now just blames Obama for being the wrong kind of Christian.

Seriously, how far out do you have to be, that Beck looks like a rational reference point?

i know that questioning other people's christianity is an american tradition but where does beck get off suggesting that the president isnt a good enough christian?

[Zephie]

Isn't Obama still on vacation?

no

About time he got off his ass and started to do his job; how about he start by fixing the economy?

Obama = Change... I call bullshit.

just what do you suggest he do?

he cant even get the republicans in the senate to agree to a loan program for small business--the very demographic that the republicans claim to want to help more than anything else in the world.

What? Obama still uses the senate?

[Ashmoria]

Isn't Obama still on vacation?

no

About time he got off his ass and started to do his job; how about he start by fixing the economy?

Obama = Change... I call bullshit.

just what do you suggest he do?

he cant even get the republicans in the senate to agree to a loan program for small business--the very demographic that the republicans claim to want to help more than anything else in the world.

What? Obama still uses the senate?

that doesnt make any sense.

[Lathuria]

Whoopee doo. Now if he could just run the country, we'd be all set.

Why? He already got the Nobel Peace Prize. He IS set.

[Zephie]

Whoopee doo. Now if he could just run the country, we'd be all set.

Why? He already got the Nobel Peace Prize. He IS set.

Nobel Peace prize for what? Being the first half black president?

[Lathuria]

Whoopee doo. Now if he could just run the country, we'd be all set.

Why? He already got the Nobel Peace Prize. He IS set.

Nobel Peace prize for what? Being the first half black president?

Indeed.

[The Finlandia Peoples]

I seriously doubt he'll ever be able to effectively run the country, except into the ground.

This explains why the USA is still the largest economy in the world, has recovered from the Recession and isn't in the middle of a revolution with the streets running red with blood.

Go to Uzbekistan and see what it looks like when a leader is running their country into the ground. Until then, keep your partisan bullshit to yourself.

The problem here is that politicians send the message that we are "recovered" from the recession, when in reality we haven't. I mean it could be worse, however the way he's going....

[Lathuria]

I seriously doubt he'll ever be able to effectively run the country, except into the ground.

This explains why the USA is still the largest economy in the world, has recovered from the Recession and isn't in the middle of a revolution with the streets running red with blood.

Go to Uzbekistan and see what it looks like when a leader is running their country into the ground. Until then, keep your partisan bullshit to yourself.

[Ashmoria]

I find it amusing the number of people that think that with a wave of the magic wand everything will be fixed.

No one is asking for a magic wand wave. If you're referring to how little seems to have got done since November of '08, the Democrats had enormous momentum, and pretty conclusive numbers - and failed to push through much of anything.

Now, we can discuss why - the desire to appear non-partisan (post-partisan, even), perhaps - or the desire to be differentiated from what had gone immediately before... or maybe, just a complete lack of preparation or determination... but a lot of people are frustrated that, given a mandate, nothing really changed.

they cant transform the entire country.

doesnt any of this count?

Wall Street reform
Credit card reform
Stimulus aka recovery and reinvestment act
Lilly Ledbetter equal pay for equal work act
Hate crimes prevention act
Student loan reform (piggybacked on healthcare)
Healthcare reform
Cancelled the F-22
Funded energy and science research
Nuclear arms treaty with Russia

i have a better list somewhere.....

[Zephie]

I find it amusing the number of people that think that with a wave of the magic wand everything will be fixed.

No one is asking for a magic wand wave. If you're referring to how little seems to have got done since November of '08, the Democrats had enormous momentum, and pretty conclusive numbers - and failed to push through much of anything.

Now, we can discuss why - the desire to appear non-partisan (post-partisan, even), perhaps - or the desire to be differentiated from what had gone immediately before... or maybe, just a complete lack of preparation or determination... but a lot of people are frustrated that, given a mandate, nothing really changed.

they cant transform the entire country.

doesnt any of this count?

Wall Street reform
Credit card reform
Stimulus aka recovery and reinvestment act
Lilly Ledbetter equal pay for equal work act
Hate crimes prevention act
Student loan reform (piggybacked on healthcare)
Healthcare reform
Cancelled the F-22
Funded energy and science research
Nuclear arms treaty with Russia

i have a better list somewhere.....

The blue is vague.
The red is irrelevant.
The green is bad.

[Ashmoria]

I find it amusing the number of people that think that with a wave of the magic wand everything will be fixed.

Yes, and sadly, Obama is one of those people. He has to be, because he has taken no action to help the USA's economy. In fact, employment rates have actually gone up!

NO action?

why would you say that?

its obvious that the actions that he has managed to get through the congress havent been enough but its false to say that there has been no action.

[Siorafrica]

What's going to happen in 2012?
Everyone shuts the hell up about Obama for longer than a day.
Nah, the world ending looks more convincing all of a sudden.