The swastika

[Demen]

Since the mods all seem to be here, can they just lock this thread, please? Max banned the swatika, put up with it, end of (i hope).

Listen, since you didn't seem to learn this from my other posts, I have no intentions on legalizing the swastikas in the flags.




If you choose to post, at least read the first couple posts.

[Katganistan]

Since the mods all seem to be here, can they just lock this thread, please? Max banned the swatika, put up with it, end of (i hope).

We said we weren't going to change the site policy. We didn't say discussion about the swastika is verboten.

[Cybach]

Pretty much the debate:







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[Katganistan]

Cybach,, there was no reason to picspam. We've seen both graphics before and you added exactly nothing to the discussion.

[Cybach]

It was to show the comparison. Only the Hopi, Maltese, Ceylon, Islamic, Lapland, Bali, Aztec and Greek swastika is the opposite way around. The Chinese, Hindu, Tibetan, Jain, etc.. swastika is facing the same direction as the Third Reich swastika.

That was my intent. Contrary to your claim this very thread shows that most people are not aware of this fact.

[The Alma Mater]

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I find it ironic that imageshack also blocks Nazi-swastikas

[Cybach]

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I find it ironic that imageshack also blocks Nazi-swastikas

That's probably because I uploaded it from a German ip. Kind of illegal and they registered that.

[Geniasis]

Max said no. and no means no.

I don't think NERVUN said anything to the contrary. His point, like with mine, is that perhaps one day Max may revisit the policy if the world stops associating the swastika with Nazis and it returns to its original meaning. Maybe.

Regardless, it's quite obviously not that day yet.

[Caotic chaos]

I do have a question on why the Swastika is banned. Yes hitler used it as a symbol of nazism and he killed millions but as was already said he didn't invent the swastika. By that logic the Sickle and Hammer should be banned because it was used by Stalin who killed millions MORE than Hitler did.

are you sure? he killed 10 million people. 6 million jews and the rest were homosexuals, criminals, traitors, etc.

[Hypparchia]

The Swastika AND the Hammer & Sickle are cool symbols. Totalitarian states sure know a good use of symbols.

[St George of England]

The Swastika AND the Hammer & Sickle are cool symbols. Totalitarian states sure know a good use of symbols.

now that's a troll if i ever saw one...

[Free Outer Eugenia]

Actually, the Swastika, in a perfect world, would have returned to having its original connotation of being a symbol of good fortune.

In a perfect world there would have been no fascist scum to begin with.

[Katganistan]

It was to show the comparison. Only the Hopi, Maltese, Ceylon, Islamic, Lapland, Bali, Aztec and Greek swastika is the opposite way around. The Chinese, Hindu, Tibetan, Jain, etc.. swastika is facing the same direction as the Third Reich swastika.

That was my intent. Contrary to your claim this very thread shows that most people are not aware of this fact.

Both graphics were IN this thread, and literally, "here it is, the summation of this thread", is meaningless.

[Jagalonia]

Post in moderation put it best.

Swastica: No.
Swastica with flowers and happy things: As long as your nation does not affiliate with bad things.

Hitler looking stern: No.
Hitler with a fake boob apron that says 'Kiss the cook': Why not.

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[Hypparchia]

The Swastika AND the Hammer & Sickle are cool symbols. Totalitarian states sure know a good use of symbols.

now that's a troll if i ever saw one...

You on drugs ? : )

[Geniasis]

The Swastika AND the Hammer & Sickle are cool symbols. Totalitarian states sure know a good use of symbols.

now that's a troll if i ever saw one...

I don't know about that, I mean there is some truth the to statement. The symbols do have a pleasing aesthetic quality to them. His statement is no more a troll than if I admitted the (verifiably true) statement that the Nazi uniforms were excellent. I mean seriously.

I think I mourn the loss of those uniforms more than I mourn the loss of the Swastika.

[Free Outer Eugenia]

The Swastika AND the Hammer & Sickle are cool symbols. Totalitarian states sure know a good use of symbols.

now that's a troll if i ever saw one...

I don't know about that, I mean there is some truth the to statement. The symbols do have a pleasing aesthetic quality to them. His statement is no more a troll than if I admitted the (verifiably true) statement that the Nazi uniforms were excellent. I mean seriously.

I think I mourn the loss of those uniforms more than I mourn the loss of the Swastika.

Hey, Hugo Boss knew what he was doing, amirite?

[St George of England]

Looking at it from an 'everything to do with the nazis is wrong' point of view, then people should also be banned from owning porsches, VWs and Mercedes as well as any german made weapon.

[Free Outer Eugenia]

Looking at it from an 'everything to do with the nazis is wrong' point of view, then people should also be banned from owning porsches, VWs and Mercedes as well as any german made weapon.

But that isn't the point of view that it's generally looked from, is it? The Nazi swastika (and Nazi eagle, SS death's head, etc) are all symbols and symbols, like words, have distinct meanings- they communicate ideas. You can't take a ride the Nazi swastika and you can't use it to shoot targets- it simply communicates an idea. And the ideas that the nazi swastika communicates are unambiguous and undeniably vile.

Nice straw-man though.

[St George of England]

Looking at it from an 'everything to do with the nazis is wrong' point of view, then people should also be banned from owning porsches, VWs and Mercedes as well as any german made weapon.

But that isn't the point of view that it's generally looked from, is it? The Nazi swastika (and Nazi eagle, SS death's head, etc) are all symbols and symbols, like words, have distinct meanings- they communicate ideas. You can't take a ride the Nazi swastika and you can't use it to shoot targets- it's The ideas that the nazi swastika communicates are unambiguous and undeniably vile.

Nice straw-man though.

I have no idea what you are speaking of, sir. However, if you wish to insult my honour, you shall have to answer for your actions.

on a serious note, i meant to expand the discussion, not to build straw-men. I agree with you entirely.

[Geniasis]

Looking at it from an 'everything to do with the nazis is wrong' point of view, then people should also be banned from owning porsches, VWs and Mercedes as well as any german made weapon.

But there's a difference between things that originated in Germany and things that were used to represent the Nazi regime. In addition, the weapons themselves were tools that could be used against them just as easily as for them.

Both are different from the Swastika in this regard.

[St George of England]

Looking at it from an 'everything to do with the nazis is wrong' point of view, then people should also be banned from owning porsches, VWs and Mercedes as well as any german made weapon.

But there's a difference between things that originated in Germany and things that were used to represent the Nazi regime. In addition, the weapons themselves were tools that could be used against them just as easily as for them.

Both are different from the Swastika in this regard.

Herr Porsche was a member of the Nazi party, and invented the VW, as well.

Again you are entirely right and i agree with you.

[Fson]

Actually, the Swastika, in a perfect world, would have returned to having its original connotation of being a symbol of good fortune.

In my humble opinion, power and pride are the embodiment of good fortune.



What say you, good sir?

huh?

[The Alma Mater]

Looking at it from an 'everything to do with the nazis is wrong' point of view, then people should also be banned from owning porsches, VWs and Mercedes as well as any german made weapon.

But there's a difference between things that originated in Germany and things that were used to represent the Nazi regime.

Small nitpick: volkswagen was in fact something used to represent the nazi regime. "A car for everyone" was one of the many ways they wished to get public support, as well as a symbol of nazi prosperity.

[Geniasis]

Looking at it from an 'everything to do with the nazis is wrong' point of view, then people should also be banned from owning porsches, VWs and Mercedes as well as any german made weapon.

But there's a difference between things that originated in Germany and things that were used to represent the Nazi regime.

Small nitpick: volkswagen was in fact something used to represent the nazi regime. "A car for everyone" was one of the many ways they wished to get public support, as well as a symbol of nazi prosperity.

Now see, I just learned something.

This is NSG, cut that shit out.