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Postby Demen » Tue Aug 31, 2010 5:19 am

St George of England wrote:Since the mods all seem to be here, can they just lock this thread, please? Max banned the swatika, put up with it, end of (i hope).

Listen, since you didn't seem to learn this from my other posts, I have no intentions on legalizing the swastikas in the flags.




If you choose to post, at least read the first couple posts.

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Postby Katganistan » Tue Aug 31, 2010 6:27 am

St George of England wrote:Since the mods all seem to be here, can they just lock this thread, please? Max banned the swatika, put up with it, end of (i hope).



We said we weren't going to change the site policy. We didn't say discussion about the swastika is verboten.

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Postby Cybach » Tue Aug 31, 2010 6:34 am

Pretty much the debate:


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Postby Katganistan » Tue Aug 31, 2010 6:42 am

Cybach,, there was no reason to picspam. We've seen both graphics before and you added exactly nothing to the discussion.

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Postby Cybach » Tue Aug 31, 2010 9:07 am

It was to show the comparison. Only the Hopi, Maltese, Ceylon, Islamic, Lapland, Bali, Aztec and Greek swastika is the opposite way around. The Chinese, Hindu, Tibetan, Jain, etc.. swastika is facing the same direction as the Third Reich swastika.

That was my intent. Contrary to your claim this very thread shows that most people are not aware of this fact.

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Postby The Alma Mater » Tue Aug 31, 2010 9:17 am

Cybach wrote:*snip*


I find it ironic that imageshack also blocks Nazi-swastikas ;)
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Postby Cybach » Tue Aug 31, 2010 9:22 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Cybach wrote:*snip*


I find it ironic that imageshack also blocks Nazi-swastikas ;)



That's probably because I uploaded it from a German ip. Kind of illegal and they registered that.

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Postby Geniasis » Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:12 pm

Demen wrote:Max said no. and no means no.


I don't think NERVUN said anything to the contrary. His point, like with mine, is that perhaps one day Max may revisit the policy if the world stops associating the swastika with Nazis and it returns to its original meaning. Maybe.

Regardless, it's quite obviously not that day yet.
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Postby Caotic chaos » Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:17 pm

New Caldaris wrote:I do have a question on why the Swastika is banned. Yes hitler used it as a symbol of nazism and he killed millions but as was already said he didn't invent the swastika. By that logic the Sickle and Hammer should be banned because it was used by Stalin who killed millions MORE than Hitler did.


are you sure? he killed 10 million people. 6 million jews and the rest were homosexuals, criminals, traitors, etc.

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Postby Hypparchia » Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:19 pm

The Swastika AND the Hammer & Sickle are cool symbols. Totalitarian states sure know a good use of symbols.

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Postby St George of England » Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:21 pm

Hypparchia wrote:The Swastika AND the Hammer & Sickle are cool symbols. Totalitarian states sure know a good use of symbols.


now that's a troll if i ever saw one...
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Postby Free Outer Eugenia » Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:22 pm

Holy Paradise wrote:Actually, the Swastika, in a perfect world, would have returned to having its original connotation of being a symbol of good fortune.
In a perfect world there would have been no fascist scum to begin with.
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Postby Katganistan » Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:26 pm

Cybach wrote:It was to show the comparison. Only the Hopi, Maltese, Ceylon, Islamic, Lapland, Bali, Aztec and Greek swastika is the opposite way around. The Chinese, Hindu, Tibetan, Jain, etc.. swastika is facing the same direction as the Third Reich swastika.

That was my intent. Contrary to your claim this very thread shows that most people are not aware of this fact.

Both graphics were IN this thread, and literally, "here it is, the summation of this thread", is meaningless.

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Postby Jagalonia » Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:29 pm

Post in moderation put it best.

Swastica: No.
Swastica with flowers and happy things: As long as your nation does not affiliate with bad things.

Hitler looking stern: No.
Hitler with a fake boob apron that says 'Kiss the cook': Why not.

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Postby Hypparchia » Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:29 pm

St George of England wrote:
Hypparchia wrote:The Swastika AND the Hammer & Sickle are cool symbols. Totalitarian states sure know a good use of symbols.


now that's a troll if i ever saw one...


You on drugs ? : )

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Postby Geniasis » Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:41 pm

St George of England wrote:
Hypparchia wrote:The Swastika AND the Hammer & Sickle are cool symbols. Totalitarian states sure know a good use of symbols.


now that's a troll if i ever saw one...


I don't know about that, I mean there is some truth the to statement. The symbols do have a pleasing aesthetic quality to them. His statement is no more a troll than if I admitted the (verifiably true) statement that the Nazi uniforms were excellent. I mean seriously.

I think I mourn the loss of those uniforms more than I mourn the loss of the Swastika.
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Myrensis wrote:I say turn it into a brothel, that way Muslims and Christians can be offended together.


DaWoad wrote:nah, she only fought because, as everyone knows, the brits can't make a decent purse to save their lives and she had a VERY important shopping trip coming up!


Reichskommissariat ost wrote:Women are as good as men , I dont know why they constantly whine about things.


Euronion wrote:because how dare me ever ever try to demand rights for myself, right men, we should just lie down and let the women trample over us, let them take awa our rights, our right to vote will be next just don't say I didn't warn ou

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Postby Free Outer Eugenia » Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:48 pm

Geniasis wrote:
St George of England wrote:
Hypparchia wrote:The Swastika AND the Hammer & Sickle are cool symbols. Totalitarian states sure know a good use of symbols.


now that's a troll if i ever saw one...


I don't know about that, I mean there is some truth the to statement. The symbols do have a pleasing aesthetic quality to them. His statement is no more a troll than if I admitted the (verifiably true) statement that the Nazi uniforms were excellent. I mean seriously.

I think I mourn the loss of those uniforms more than I mourn the loss of the Swastika.
Hey, Hugo Boss knew what he was doing, amirite?
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Postby St George of England » Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:53 pm

Looking at it from an 'everything to do with the nazis is wrong' point of view, then people should also be banned from owning porsches, VWs and Mercedes as well as any german made weapon.
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Postby Free Outer Eugenia » Tue Aug 31, 2010 1:00 pm

St George of England wrote:Looking at it from an 'everything to do with the nazis is wrong' point of view, then people should also be banned from owning porsches, VWs and Mercedes as well as any german made weapon.
But that isn't the point of view that it's generally looked from, is it? The Nazi swastika (and Nazi eagle, SS death's head, etc) are all symbols and symbols, like words, have distinct meanings- they communicate ideas. You can't take a ride the Nazi swastika and you can't use it to shoot targets- it simply communicates an idea. And the ideas that the nazi swastika communicates are unambiguous and undeniably vile.

Nice straw-man though.
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Postby St George of England » Tue Aug 31, 2010 1:04 pm

Free Outer Eugenia wrote:
St George of England wrote:Looking at it from an 'everything to do with the nazis is wrong' point of view, then people should also be banned from owning porsches, VWs and Mercedes as well as any german made weapon.
But that isn't the point of view that it's generally looked from, is it? The Nazi swastika (and Nazi eagle, SS death's head, etc) are all symbols and symbols, like words, have distinct meanings- they communicate ideas. You can't take a ride the Nazi swastika and you can't use it to shoot targets- it's The ideas that the nazi swastika communicates are unambiguous and undeniably vile.

Nice straw-man though.


I have no idea what you are speaking of, sir. However, if you wish to insult my honour, you shall have to answer for your actions.

on a serious note, i meant to expand the discussion, not to build straw-men. I agree with you entirely.
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Postby Geniasis » Tue Aug 31, 2010 1:06 pm

St George of England wrote:Looking at it from an 'everything to do with the nazis is wrong' point of view, then people should also be banned from owning porsches, VWs and Mercedes as well as any german made weapon.


But there's a difference between things that originated in Germany and things that were used to represent the Nazi regime. In addition, the weapons themselves were tools that could be used against them just as easily as for them.

Both are different from the Swastika in this regard.
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Myrensis wrote:I say turn it into a brothel, that way Muslims and Christians can be offended together.


DaWoad wrote:nah, she only fought because, as everyone knows, the brits can't make a decent purse to save their lives and she had a VERY important shopping trip coming up!


Reichskommissariat ost wrote:Women are as good as men , I dont know why they constantly whine about things.


Euronion wrote:because how dare me ever ever try to demand rights for myself, right men, we should just lie down and let the women trample over us, let them take awa our rights, our right to vote will be next just don't say I didn't warn ou

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Postby St George of England » Tue Aug 31, 2010 1:07 pm

Geniasis wrote:
St George of England wrote:Looking at it from an 'everything to do with the nazis is wrong' point of view, then people should also be banned from owning porsches, VWs and Mercedes as well as any german made weapon.


But there's a difference between things that originated in Germany and things that were used to represent the Nazi regime. In addition, the weapons themselves were tools that could be used against them just as easily as for them.

Both are different from the Swastika in this regard.


Herr Porsche was a member of the Nazi party, and invented the VW, as well.

Again you are entirely right and i agree with you.
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Postby Fson » Tue Aug 31, 2010 1:09 pm

Demen wrote:
Holy Paradise wrote:Actually, the Swastika, in a perfect world, would have returned to having its original connotation of being a symbol of good fortune.

In my humble opinion, power and pride are the embodiment of good fortune.



What say you, good sir?


huh?
by Wilgrove » Wed May 26, 2010 7:51 am

OMG, It's so obvious! Of course!! Science has lied to us!!!

It's time to abandon scientific progress and only look towards the Lord Jesus Christ (who is white of course) for guidance in all matters!

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Postby The Alma Mater » Tue Aug 31, 2010 1:09 pm

Geniasis wrote:
St George of England wrote:Looking at it from an 'everything to do with the nazis is wrong' point of view, then people should also be banned from owning porsches, VWs and Mercedes as well as any german made weapon.


But there's a difference between things that originated in Germany and things that were used to represent the Nazi regime.


Small nitpick: volkswagen was in fact something used to represent the nazi regime. "A car for everyone" was one of the many ways they wished to get public support, as well as a symbol of nazi prosperity.
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Postby Geniasis » Tue Aug 31, 2010 1:12 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
Geniasis wrote:
St George of England wrote:Looking at it from an 'everything to do with the nazis is wrong' point of view, then people should also be banned from owning porsches, VWs and Mercedes as well as any german made weapon.


But there's a difference between things that originated in Germany and things that were used to represent the Nazi regime.


Small nitpick: volkswagen was in fact something used to represent the nazi regime. "A car for everyone" was one of the many ways they wished to get public support, as well as a symbol of nazi prosperity.


Now see, I just learned something.

This is NSG, cut that shit out. :p
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Myrensis wrote:I say turn it into a brothel, that way Muslims and Christians can be offended together.


DaWoad wrote:nah, she only fought because, as everyone knows, the brits can't make a decent purse to save their lives and she had a VERY important shopping trip coming up!


Reichskommissariat ost wrote:Women are as good as men , I dont know why they constantly whine about things.


Euronion wrote:because how dare me ever ever try to demand rights for myself, right men, we should just lie down and let the women trample over us, let them take awa our rights, our right to vote will be next just don't say I didn't warn ou

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