The swastika

[Lunatic Goofballs]

Even as a Jew I cant really see the problem with having the swastika in a flag on a game.

Well tough cookies. You can't have it.

A quick reminder; the discussion is the symbolic meaning of the swastika and whether it can have a non-offensive one. The discussion is NOT about whether they should be allowed on NationStates.

[Katganistan]

I do have a question on why the Swastika is banned. Yes hitler used it as a symbol of nazism and he killed millions but as was already said he didn't invent the swastika. By that logic the Sickle and Hammer should be banned because it was used by Stalin who killed millions MORE than Hitler did.

Exactly thats what i have been trying to get through to the mods on this site

And we've been saying for years, "Not happening cos Max and [violet] say so." That hasn't gotten through to some of you, apparently.

[CTALNH]

well the swastika means good luck thats all i know

[Charlotte Ryberg]

I say it's never going to be legal for a flag on this site BECAUSE its historical value has been perverted forever by Hitler and by contemporary racist groups.

I think it's never going to be appropriate for anything in my opinion, along with the SS thunder thing and any Nazi symbol banned under Germany's Strafgesetzbuch section 86a. In fact I have been thinking about suggesting Section 86a as a basis for determining inappropriate flags.

[Jervak]

well the swastika means good luck thats all i know

Good luck surviving Auschwitz!

[Hornopolis]

well the swastika means good luck thats all i know

Good luck surviving Auschwitz!

anyone could survive in Auschwitz now.

[Balshkava]

well the swastika means good luck thats all i know

Good luck surviving Auschwitz!

Oh, well, it's hard not to, these present days. : /
Hitler screwed over many more things than people, and this is one of them.

[Sun Aut Ex]

And we've been saying for years, "Not happening cos Max and [violet] say so." That hasn't gotten through to some of you, apparently.

And we'll stop saying it when you stop being hypocritical and either ban other hate symbols or unban the swastika.

[Karsol]

And we've been saying for years, "Not happening cos Max and [violet] say so." That hasn't gotten through to some of you, apparently.

And we'll stop saying it when you stop being hypocritical and either ban other hate symbols or unban the swastika.

Kinda an ineffective threat, since you know, they can just ban you, block your ip's and be done with it?

And like they sad, they symbols you reference are not immediately connected with hatred like the swastika.

Heck, if you go down that road almost any flag can be banned, like the Union flag or the Stars and stripes.
As they have both owned slaves and the US has committed genocidal acts.

[Sun Aut Ex]

Kinda an ineffective threat, since you know, they can just ban you, block your ip's and be done with it?

My IP can't be blocked, it's dynamic. You can't kill me.

And like they sad, they symbols you reference are not immediately connected with hatred like the swastika.

Tell that to the Europeans.

[Karsol]

Kinda an ineffective threat, since you know, they can just ban you, block your ip's and be done with it?

My IP can't be blocked, it's dynamic. You can't kill me.

And like they sad, they symbols you reference are not immediately connected with hatred like the swastika.

Tell that to the Europeans.

Not observant are you?
I am European. :/

[The Black Forrest]

Kinda an ineffective threat, since you know, they can just ban you, block your ip's and be done with it?

My IP can't be blocked, it's dynamic. You can't kill me.

Actually that doesn't matter.

If you are thinking you have a home router and use the dynamic capability, you still have the routers address. That can be dynamic but the masking tends to be small so you can block the range.

Even if you are on a public, a quick analysis of the IPs from that range can evaluate. If you are the one user, block the range.

Don't think you are smarter then the people running the site. They are pretty smart.

You will get bored and move on if you become a DOS.

[Sun Aut Ex]

Actually that doesn't matter.

If you are thinking you have a home router and use the dynamic capability, you still have the routers address. That can be dynamic but the masking tends to be small so you can block the range.

Even if you are on a public, a quick analysis of the IPs from that range can evaluate. If you are the one user, block the range.

Don't think you are smarter then the people running the site. They are pretty smart.

My ISP uses dynamic IPs, I get a new one every time I turn on my computer. Can't block me without blocking my whole ISP.

[The Black Forrest]

Actually that doesn't matter.

If you are thinking you have a home router and use the dynamic capability, you still have the routers address. That can be dynamic but the masking tends to be small so you can block the range.

Even if you are on a public, a quick analysis of the IPs from that range can evaluate. If you are the one user, block the range.

Don't think you are smarter then the people running the site. They are pretty smart.

My ISP uses dynamic IPs, I get a new one every time I turn on my computer. Can't block me without blocking my whole ISP.

Most ISPs do. What's your subnet mask?

[Sun Aut Ex]

Most ISPs do. What's your subnet mask?

Not sure, why?

Besides, I was under the impression that most ISPs use static IPs.

[Katganistan]

And we've been saying for years, "Not happening cos Max and [violet] say so." That hasn't gotten through to some of you, apparently.

And we'll stop saying it when you stop being hypocritical and either ban other hate symbols or unban the swastika.

Keep saying it, then. It ain't changing for reasons that have been explained exhaustively; it's not our fault if folks think that sticking their fingers in their ears yelling la la not listening! is an effective tactic, or that one has the right to demand that the rules of the site change because one doesn't like them.

There are plenty of places on the 'net where you can do as you like; there are plenty of places on this site that swastikas may be used; flags aren't one of them and it's not changing.

[The Black Forrest]

Most ISPs do. What's your subnet mask?

Not sure, why?

Besides, I was under the impression that most ISPs use static IPs.

Depending on the subnet mask; it will give the range of IPs handed out. You may think you are hidding by 100's and it turns out you are part of 4.

There are many statics still in use but due to IP version 4 starting to run out of IPs, ISPs started handing out dynamics awhile ago. You have to have a pretty hard reason to get a static these days. Many times the companies and people that have them are grandfathered in......

[Juristonia]

I do have a question on why the Swastika is banned. Yes hitler used it as a symbol of nazism and he killed millions but as was already said he didn't invent the swastika. By that logic the Sickle and Hammer should be banned because it was used by Stalin who killed millions MORE than Hitler did.

Exactly thats what i have been trying to get through to the mods on this site

Judging by the things I've seen you post around here, I somehow doubt you're defending the use of the swastika because it meant something different at some point in time.

[Katganistan]

Only the weak willed and women (whom are weak willed) become rampaging consumers, which I assume you are addressing. I would much rather have a state that earns its loyalty and respect.

"Oh dear, I am so weak-willed, I'm not sure what I should do with this trolling comment -- and there are no male moderators available...

*Rap on knuckles with ruler* Bad Nicky! No cookie for you!"

[The Black Forrest]

I do have a question on why the Swastika is banned. Yes hitler used it as a symbol of nazism and he killed millions but as was already said he didn't invent the swastika. By that logic the Sickle and Hammer should be banned because it was used by Stalin who killed millions MORE than Hitler did.

Exactly thats what i have been trying to get through to the mods on this site

Judging by the things I've seen you post around here, I somehow doubt you're defending the use of the swastika because it meant something different at some point in time.

Indeed. Most people arguing for the Swastika aren't arguing for the old meanings......

[F1-Insanity]

I don't think any symbol should be banned for any reason. And I feel it is strange to 'we gonna ban this symbol because some folks might get offended because of the murderous history it stood for' and then NOT BAN symbols of ideologies that have caused even more misery*.

* such as the cross, crescent moon and hammer/sickle

[Karsol]

I don't think any symbol should be banned for any reason. And I feel it is strange to 'we gonna ban this symbol because some folks might get offended because of the murderous history it stood for' and then NOT BAN symbols of ideologies that have caused even more misery*.

* such as the cross, crescent moon and hammer/sickle

This has been explained, unlike those symbols the swastikas primary link in history is the death of millions.

[F1-Insanity]

I don't think any symbol should be banned for any reason. And I feel it is strange to 'we gonna ban this symbol because some folks might get offended because of the murderous history it stood for' and then NOT BAN symbols of ideologies that have caused even more misery*.

* such as the cross, crescent moon and hammer/sickle

This has been explained, unlike those symbols the swastikas primary link in history is the death of millions.

In my opinion, it is no different from the others. Except that those have bodycounts many times of that of the swastika.

[The Black Forrest]

I don't think any symbol should be banned for any reason. And I feel it is strange to 'we gonna ban this symbol because some folks might get offended because of the murderous history it stood for' and then NOT BAN symbols of ideologies that have caused even more misery*.

* such as the cross, crescent moon and hammer/sickle

This has been explained, unlike those symbols the swastikas primary link in history is the death of millions.

In my opinion, it is no different from the others. Except that those have bodycounts many times of that of the swastika.

The problem is you opinion doesn't matter. Max and [violet] made the ruling and it doesn't matter what you and the others think.

It's Max's site; his rules.

Let it go.....

[F1-Insanity]

I don't think any symbol should be banned for any reason. And I feel it is strange to 'we gonna ban this symbol because some folks might get offended because of the murderous history it stood for' and then NOT BAN symbols of ideologies that have caused even more misery*.

* such as the cross, crescent moon and hammer/sickle

This has been explained, unlike those symbols the swastikas primary link in history is the death of millions.

In my opinion, it is no different from the others. Except that those have bodycounts many times of that of the swastika.

The problem is you opinion doesn't matter. Max and [violet] made the ruling and it doesn't matter what you and the others think.

It's Max's site; his rules.

Let it go.....

I know my opinion doesn't matter, but I am giving it anyway.