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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Aug 29, 2010 4:27 pm

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So there were a couple "good" Nazi's.....What's your point?


That was my point, that there were a couple good Nazis.


I guess the follow up question would be "So?"
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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Sun Aug 29, 2010 4:39 pm

New Nicksyllvania wrote:Only the weak willed and women (whom are weak willed) become rampaging consumers, which I assume you are addressing. I would much rather have a state that earns its loyalty and respect.


Knock off the sexist bullshit please.
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Postby Reggenza del Carnaro » Sun Aug 29, 2010 4:40 pm

New Nicksyllvania wrote:
Buffett and Colbert wrote:
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New Caldaris wrote:I do have a question on why the Swastika is banned. Yes hitler used it as a symbol of nazism and he killed millions but as was already said he didn't invent the swastika. By that logic the Sickle and Hammer should be banned because it was used by Stalin who killed millions MORE than Hitler did.

Yes, but Nazis actively persecute a race, while communism is simply an ideology, one which anyone of ANY race can believe in.


And which one do you fear more, an ideology that persecutes a specified ethnicity or an ideology that kills everyone with equal gusto.

The thing is, killing indiscriminately isn't necessarily part of Communist ideology, whereas the elimination of the Jewish race is inherent in Nazism. It just so happens that all Communist leaders have been douches.


You are quite correct, death is infinately preferable to a true communist state where people are stripped of their individuality and ambition and forced into perpetual servitude like a common insect.

Suppose it may be a bit OT, but:
I still think Stalin was worse than Hitler... not just because he actually killed more people than his German rival, but because the main of said people were Russian and Commies too... at least Hitler killed people who he believed being ennemies of his Nation. About the genocide, it's true Hitler's hate towards Jews was probably to bring anyway to the so-called Final Solution, but it's also true that before other solutions have been searched. Usually people thinks that if Hitler had been able to conquer the whole world, he would have completed the Jews genocide... but in fact Hitler never intended to conquer the whole world. His 'lebensraum' was 'limited' (sic) to the Russian territory. (And of course to everything was between Germany and Russia).
About the Communist leaders... they always become douches after... after they are dead and have been replaced. Stalin became a tyrant after Krutschev said so... Mao ZeDong was one of the heroes of all the Communist supporters (the other being Che Guevara) till he died, same for Pol Pot (which is probably the worse of all those guys). Just wait, and Fidel Castro will have the same lot...
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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Sun Aug 29, 2010 4:41 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Nazi Flower Power wrote:That was my point, that there were a couple good Nazis.


I guess the follow up question would be "So?"


So not all Nazis were bad. It's relevant to the post I was replying to.
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Postby Mediterreania » Sun Aug 29, 2010 5:36 pm

New Nicksyllvania wrote:
Buffett and Colbert wrote:
New Nicksyllvania wrote:
Sailsia wrote:
New Caldaris wrote:I do have a question on why the Swastika is banned. Yes hitler used it as a symbol of nazism and he killed millions but as was already said he didn't invent the swastika. By that logic the Sickle and Hammer should be banned because it was used by Stalin who killed millions MORE than Hitler did.

Yes, but Nazis actively persecute a race, while communism is simply an ideology, one which anyone of ANY race can believe in.


And which one do you fear more, an ideology that persecutes a specified ethnicity or an ideology that kills everyone with equal gusto.

The thing is, killing indiscriminately isn't necessarily part of Communist ideology, whereas the elimination of the Jewish race is inherent in Nazism. It just so happens that all Communist leaders have been douches.


You are quite correct, death is infinately preferable to a true communist state where people are stripped of their individuality and ambition and forced into perpetual servitude like a common insect.

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Postby Sun Aut Ex » Mon Aug 30, 2010 12:43 am

Novograd IV wrote:Not holdomor again...
That was a famine, it's not actually known whether that was deliberate genocide with a convenience or the failings of a system.

The court ruled it genocide, but there was a huge famine across the soviet union, the resources had to go somewhere


Yeah, of course it wasn't genocide. They "accidentally" killed 3.2 million Ukrainians.
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Postby Schwabenreich » Mon Aug 30, 2010 12:44 am

Sun Aut Ex wrote:
Novograd IV wrote:Not holdomor again...
That was a famine, it's not actually known whether that was deliberate genocide with a convenience or the failings of a system.

The court ruled it genocide, but there was a huge famine across the soviet union, the resources had to go somewhere


Yeah, of course it wasn't genocide. They "accidentally" killed 3.2 million Ukrainians.


They also told people, not to give them food.

Edit: Though honestly the whole arguement was beaten to death here viewtopic.php?f=20&t=48648 and despite the clear winners, it resulted in no change, why would it work this time?
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Postby Der Teutoniker » Mon Aug 30, 2010 12:56 am

Holy Paradise wrote:Actually, the Swastika, in a perfect world, would have returned to having its original connotation of being a symbol of good fortune.


Wait. So, in a perfect world, everyone could re-accept the Swastika as a good symbol?

But this perfect world also facilitates the Holocaust? ;)

Half-Candide it sounds like.
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Postby Risottia » Mon Aug 30, 2010 2:04 am

Nazi Flower Power wrote:
Reggenza del Carnaro wrote:
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Reggenza del Carnaro wrote:Well... the Cross itself was used by helpful missionaries, fanatic Inquisitors, and greedy conquistadores...
It could have been shaped differently but still was a cross... same for swastika.

Helpful missionaries ruining native cultures?


Come on, not all missionaries were bad.

Not all Nazis were bad.

Well, here in NS they have to be, it's compulsory.


What if I don't want to be bad? :unsure:


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Postby Risottia » Mon Aug 30, 2010 2:08 am

New Nicksyllvania wrote:
Buffett and Colbert wrote:The thing is, killing indiscriminately isn't necessarily part of Communist ideology, whereas the elimination of the Jewish race is inherent in Nazism. It just so happens that all Communist leaders have been douches.


You are quite correct, death is infinately preferable to a true communist state where people are stripped of their individuality and ambition and forced into perpetual servitude like a common insect.


Bit of a strawman, isn't it?.

Btw, SOME Communist leaders weren't douches. What about poor Dubcek?
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Postby Expansionist Australia » Mon Aug 30, 2010 3:14 am

New Caldaris wrote:I do have a question on why the Swastika is banned. Yes hitler used it as a symbol of nazism and he killed millions but as was already said he didn't invent the swastika. By that logic the Sickle and Hammer should be banned because it was used by Stalin who killed millions MORE than Hitler did.


Exactly thats what i have been trying to get through to the mods on this site

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Postby Daistallia 2104 » Mon Aug 30, 2010 3:33 am

Expansionist Australia wrote:Exactly thats what i have been trying to get through to the mods on this site


Did you stop and think that maybe, just maybe, in the eight years before you arrived here Max might have heard and rejected the exact arguments you're making once or twice?
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Postby Expansionist Australia » Mon Aug 30, 2010 3:36 am

who the hell is max ???

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Postby Siseil Alanur » Mon Aug 30, 2010 3:38 am

Expansionist Australia wrote:who the hell is max ???

Max Barry is the creator of NationStates, so yeah.

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Postby Daistallia 2104 » Mon Aug 30, 2010 3:42 am

Expansionist Australia wrote:who the hell is max ???


Good Dog, do the nOObs not even bother with the basics anymore?

Max is just the guy who created and owns the site, and thus makes the rules that the mods take care of, and thus the guy you're railing about.

You might want to start here: http://www.nationstates.net/page=about
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Postby Expansionist Australia » Mon Aug 30, 2010 3:43 am

thanks, lol mental blank there for a sec...

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Postby Daistallia 2104 » Mon Aug 30, 2010 3:44 am

Siseil Alanur wrote:Max Barry is the creator of NationStates, so yeah.


:) Second post no less - that get's you an old timer stamp of approval.
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Postby DaWoad » Mon Aug 30, 2010 3:47 am

Daistallia 2104 wrote:
Siseil Alanur wrote:Max Barry is the creator of NationStates, so yeah.


:) Second post no less - that get's you an old timer stamp of approval.

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Postby Reggenza del Carnaro » Mon Aug 30, 2010 3:48 am

Expansionist Australia wrote:
New Caldaris wrote:I do have a question on why the Swastika is banned. Yes hitler used it as a symbol of nazism and he killed millions but as was already said he didn't invent the swastika. By that logic the Sickle and Hammer should be banned because it was used by Stalin who killed millions MORE than Hitler did.


Exactly thats what i have been trying to get through to the mods on this site

I wouldn't like a Politic-game without commies, although I'd greatly appreciate a real world without them... I personally don't agree with the 'swastika-ban' but I can understand why it was decided: apart from any personal belief, an authorized use of the swastika in the game would have rised too many disputes.
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Postby Daistallia 2104 » Mon Aug 30, 2010 3:48 am

Expansionist Australia wrote:thanks, lol mental blank there for a sec...


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Postby East Fancainia » Mon Aug 30, 2010 3:52 am

Holy Paradise wrote:Actually, the Swastika, in a perfect world, would have returned to having its original connotation of being a symbol of good fortune.

and Peace, but yeah, same thing. I have Hindu friends with Swastikas in their house, and when Jewish people come over they scream "NAZI! NAZI HINDU!!! BLAME OR OUR PROBLEMS!!" So, really, the answer is learning about things that are important in school, and not "Music fundamentals".

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Postby Reggenza del Carnaro » Mon Aug 30, 2010 5:06 am

East Fancainia wrote:
Holy Paradise wrote:<snip> I have Hindu friends with Swastikas in their house, and when Jewish people come over they scream "NAZI! NAZI HINDU!!! BLAME OR OUR PROBLEMS!!" <snip>.

... which is almost funny as both hindus and jews have troubles with muslims...
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Postby East Fancainia » Mon Aug 30, 2010 5:08 am

Reggenza del Carnaro wrote:
East Fancainia wrote:
Holy Paradise wrote:<snip> I have Hindu friends with Swastikas in their house, and when Jewish people come over they scream "NAZI! NAZI HINDU!!! BLAME OR OUR PROBLEMS!!" <snip>.

... which is almost funny as both hindus and jews have troubles with muslims...

Jews & Hindus Versus Muslims? That'd be one smelly-ass battle...

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Postby Valkenburg aan de Geul » Mon Aug 30, 2010 5:50 am

Even as a Jew I cant really see the problem with having the swastika in a flag on a game.

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Postby New Colon » Mon Aug 30, 2010 5:51 am

That's only because games aren't officially recognized as art.

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