The swastika

[Reggenza del Carnaro]

Well... the Cross itself was used by helpful missionaries, fanatic Inquisitors, and greedy conquistadores...
It could have been shaped differently but still was a cross... same for swastika.

Helpful missionaries ruining native cultures?

Come on, not all missionaries were bad.

Not all Nazis were bad.

*sigh*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Father_Damien
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_de_Nobili
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Filipe_Ximenes_Belo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matteo_Ricci

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_de_Foucauld

[Thevenin]

I'll concede that perhaps I was hasty to dismiss your claims, though I will state that the fact remains that the straight swastika is far more prevalent in religious symbolism than the 45 degree angled on. And just for the record, you would probably do well to try harder to not come off as a self important tool.

[Reggenza del Carnaro]

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http://makeready.wordpress.com/2009/02/13/religious-symbols-and-the-swastica/

[Scarsaw]

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http://makeready.wordpress.com/2009/02/13/religious-symbols-and-the-swastica/

Native Americans also used the swastika:

It's an universal symbol, just like a square and a circle.

[Daistallia 2104]

I'll concede that perhaps I was hasty to dismiss your claims, though I will state that the fact remains that the straight swastika is far more prevalent in religious symbolism than the 45 degree angled on.

And just for the record, you would probably do well to try harder to not come off as a self important tool.

Resorting to name calling because you were shown to be spreading ignorance shows you for whom you really are. You may want to remember in the future that when someone tells you you're wrong, they may actually know what they're on about, and that doesn't mean that they are a "self important tool".

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

I'll concede that perhaps I was hasty to dismiss your claims, though I will state that the fact remains that the straight swastika is far more prevalent in religious symbolism than the 45 degree angled on. And just for the record, you would probably do well to try harder to not come off as a self important tool.

You might give a thought to following your own advice before you cross the line and get yourself into trouble. Consider it 'friendly advice' with a 'strongly suggested' tag.

[Sailsia]

I do have a question on why the Swastika is banned. Yes hitler used it as a symbol of nazism and he killed millions but as was already said he didn't invent the swastika. By that logic the Sickle and Hammer should be banned because it was used by Stalin who killed millions MORE than Hitler did.

Yes, but Nazis actively persecute a race, while communism is simply an ideology, one which anyone of ANY race can believe in.

[Nazi Flower Power]

I just hope at some point in time the swatstika will finally be looked at by all people by it's original meaning and not the WW2 way, but I doubt that will ever happen.

I think it will happen eventually, but it will be a long time. The Holocaust is still recent enough that there are survivors who are still around.

In Asia, they still have swastikas all over the place and no one is bothered by them. You can display Nazi swastikas as well as the Buddhist ones in China, and it doesn't upset people. You don't see Nazi ones very often, though, because they have no relevance. They are used in historical context, not to promote modern day hatred. The Buddhist ones are MUCH more common. Those are everywhere.

The problem in the West is that modern hate groups still use the Nazi version to promote their racist ideologies.

[Buffett and Colbert]

Hey, when I went to DC, I visited the Museum of the American Indian and was surprised to find a shield with a blue swastika painted on it. Does anyone know what gives?

[Yootwopia]

Hey, when I went to DC, I visited the Museum of the American Indian and was surprised to find a shield with a blue swastika painted on it. Does anyone know what gives?

Yes the injuns were ethnically cleansed because they were scalping homosexuals, jews etc., it's just that the history books tell a different story.

[Buffett and Colbert]

Hey, when I went to DC, I visited the Museum of the American Indian and was surprised to find a shield with a blue swastika painted on it. Does anyone know what gives?

Yes the injuns were ethnically cleansed because they were scalping homosexuals, jews etc., it's just that the history books tell a different story.

Anti-Seminole?

[Buffett and Colbert]

I do have a question on why the Swastika is banned. Yes hitler used it as a symbol of nazism and he killed millions but as was already said he didn't invent the swastika. By that logic the Sickle and Hammer should be banned because it was used by Stalin who killed millions MORE than Hitler did.

Yes, but Nazis actively persecute a race, while communism is simply an ideology, one which anyone of ANY race can believe in.

And which one do you fear more, an ideology that persecutes a specified ethnicity or an ideology that kills everyone with equal gusto.

The thing is, killing indiscriminately isn't necessarily part of Communist ideology, whereas the elimination of the Jewish race is inherent in Nazism. It just so happens that all Communist leaders have been douches.

[EvilDarkMagicians]

And which one do you fear more, an ideology that persecutes a specified ethnicity or an ideology that kills everyone with equal gusto.

That's not the idealogies fault. Communism doesn't entail killing people, where as Nazism does.

[Jervak]

Although the Swastika was used by many cultures the fact the Nazis used it has caused it to be a hate symbol.

I don't expect it to ever be considered any other way, just because of the Fascists.

Just one more thing these pigs have ruined, I suppose.

[Buffett and Colbert]

Although the Swastika was used by many cultures the fact the Nazis used it has caused it to be a hate symbol.

I don't expect it to ever be considered any other way, just because of the Fascists.

Just one more thing these pigs have ruined, I suppose.

Except every day, members of numerous religions use it.

[The Black Forrest]

I just hope at some point in time the swatstika will finally be looked at by all people by it's original meaning and not the WW2 way, but I doubt that will ever happen.

I think it will happen eventually, but it will be a long time. The Holocaust is still recent enough that there are survivors who are still around.

In Asia, they still have swastikas all over the place and no one is bothered by them. You can display Nazi swastikas as well as the Buddhist ones in China, and it doesn't upset people. You don't see Nazi ones very often, though, because they have no relevance. They are used in historical context, not to promote modern day hatred. The Buddhist ones are MUCH more common. Those are everywhere.

The problem in the West is that modern hate groups still use the Nazi version to promote their racist ideologies.

Indeed. When the Neo-Nazis and the German Army was BADASS types are gone; then there will be a possible revision.

Probably the tell tale sign will be when somebody asks what where the Nazis and the response "Weren't they the bad guys on Hogan's Heroes?"

[Nazi Flower Power]

For all the people who think the Hammer and Sickle should be banned, let's also ban:
The British flag
The Japanese flag
The American flag
The cross
The star of david
The... Muslim thingy
Two side-by-side rectangles
Two side-by-side rectangles on fire
The PRC flag
The best korea flag
Ovens
Guns

WHAT?? What will I put on my flag if I can't have the Star of David? I already feel naked without my swastika...

[The Black Forrest]

For all the people who think the Hammer and Sickle should be banned, let's also ban:
The British flag
The Japanese flag
The American flag
The cross
The star of david
The... Muslim thingy
Two side-by-side rectangles
Two side-by-side rectangles on fire
The PRC flag
The best korea flag
Ovens
Guns

Meh. Max's site makes Max God so if he doesn't want a Nazi flag, argument is over.

[Jervak]

Although the Swastika was used by many cultures the fact the Nazis used it has caused it to be a hate symbol.

I don't expect it to ever be considered any other way, just because of the Fascists.

Just one more thing these pigs have ruined, I suppose.

Except every day, members of numerous religions use it.

It seems pretty obvious that what is being referred to here is usage in the western world, given that a majority of posters come from the western world.

[Nazi Flower Power]

Well... the Cross itself was used by helpful missionaries, fanatic Inquisitors, and greedy conquistadores...
It could have been shaped differently but still was a cross... same for swastika.

Helpful missionaries ruining native cultures?

Come on, not all missionaries were bad.

Not all Nazis were bad.

Well, here in NS they have to be, it's compulsory.

What if I don't want to be bad?

[Holy Paradise]

Well... the Cross itself was used by helpful missionaries, fanatic Inquisitors, and greedy conquistadores...
It could have been shaped differently but still was a cross... same for swastika.

Helpful missionaries ruining native cultures?

Come on, not all missionaries were bad.

Not all Nazis were bad.

Well, here in NS they have to be, it's compulsory.

What if I don't want to be bad?

NEIN!

[Jervak]

I do have a question on why the Swastika is banned. Yes hitler used it as a symbol of nazism and he killed millions but as was already said he didn't invent the swastika. By that logic the Sickle and Hammer should be banned because it was used by Stalin who killed millions MORE than Hitler did.

Yes, but Nazis actively persecute a race, while communism is simply an ideology, one which anyone of ANY race can believe in.

And which one do you fear more, an ideology that persecutes a specified ethnicity or an ideology that kills everyone with equal gusto.

The thing is, killing indiscriminately isn't necessarily part of Communist ideology, whereas the elimination of the Jewish race is inherent in Nazism. It just so happens that all Communist leaders have been douches.

You are quite correct, death is infinately preferable to a true communist state where people are stripped of their individuality and ambition and forced into perpetual servitude like a common insect.

Yeah dude. That's what I totally want. Slave to the state, not the market this time!

[Nazi Flower Power]

Well... the Cross itself was used by helpful missionaries, fanatic Inquisitors, and greedy conquistadores...
It could have been shaped differently but still was a cross... same for swastika.

Helpful missionaries ruining native cultures?

Come on, not all missionaries were bad.

Not all Nazis were bad.

*sigh*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Father_Damien
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_de_Nobili
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Filipe_Ximenes_Belo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matteo_Ricci

Dude! Not all Nazis were bad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oskar_Schindler
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Rabe

[The Black Forrest]

Well... the Cross itself was used by helpful missionaries, fanatic Inquisitors, and greedy conquistadores...
It could have been shaped differently but still was a cross... same for swastika.

Helpful missionaries ruining native cultures?

Come on, not all missionaries were bad.

Not all Nazis were bad.

*sigh*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Father_Damien
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_de_Nobili
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Filipe_Ximenes_Belo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matteo_Ricci

Dude! Not all Nazis were bad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oskar_Schindler
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Rabe

So there were a couple "good" Nazi's.....What's your point?

[Nazi Flower Power]

Dude! Not all Nazis were bad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oskar_Schindler
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Rabe

So there were a couple "good" Nazi's.....What's your point?

That was my point, that there were a couple good Nazis.