The swastika

[Demen]

The swastika.




A feared and hated symble mostly affiliated to nazi germany. But, Hitler did not make the symble, he simply chose it as the centerpiece of nazi pride. I want your opinions, NSG, should the swastika be an evil symble, or a one that resembles power, and pride?

[Wilgrove]

This thread wouldn't happen to be about the ban on Swastikas on flags in NS would it?

[Demen]

This thread wouldn't happen to be about the ban on Swastikas on flags in NS would it?

No, not really.

[Holy Paradise]

Actually, the Swastika, in a perfect world, would have returned to having its original connotation of being a symbol of good fortune.

[Ceannairceach]

Actually, the Swastika, in a perfect world, would have returned to having its original connotation of being a symbol of good fortune.

This. It should be seen, in its real form, as a symbol of luck and good fortune, and in its reverse as hate and bigotry.

[Demen]

Actually, the Swastika, in a perfect world, would have returned to having its original connotation of being a symbol of good fortune.

In my humble opinion, power and pride are the embodiment of good fortune.



What say you, good sir?

[Wilgrove]

Actually, the Swastika, in a perfect world, would have returned to having its original connotation of being a symbol of good fortune.

This. It should be seen, in its real form, as a symbol of luck and good fortune, and in its reverse as hate and bigotry.

Pretty much both of this.

[Katganistan]

I say it's never going to be legal for a flag on this site BECAUSE its historical value has been perverted forever by Hitler and by contemporary racist groups.

[New Caldaris]

I do have a question on why the Swastika is banned. Yes hitler used it as a symbol of nazism and he killed millions but as was already said he didn't invent the swastika. By that logic the Sickle and Hammer should be banned because it was used by Stalin who killed millions MORE than Hitler did.

[Holy Paradise]

Actually, the Swastika, in a perfect world, would have returned to having its original connotation of being a symbol of good fortune.

In my humble opinion, power and pride are the embodiment of good fortune.



What say you, good sir?

I see what you are saying, but that's not necessarily always true. Pride in excess leads to vanity, power in excess leads to corruption.

Good fortune may entail a moderate amount of pride and power, but, in my opinion, good fortune has more to do with having a loving family, financial security, good physical health, and an overall sense of joy and kindness.

[Demen]

I say it's never going to be legal for a flag on this site BECAUSE its historical value has been perverted forever by Hitler and by contemporary racist groups.

Again, I wasn't implying we make swastikas legal on this site, I was seeing if people had Biased opinions toward it.

[New Caldaris]

I say it's never going to be legal for a flag on this site BECAUSE its historical value has been perverted forever by Hitler and by contemporary racist groups.

Then why isn't the Sickle and Hammer banned? Stalin killed millions more in labor camps that were based off the nazi concentration camps.

[Fartsniffage]

I do have a question on why the Swastika is banned. Yes hitler used it as a symbol of nazism and he killed millions but as was already said he didn't invent the swastika. By that logic the Sickle and Hammer should be banned because it was used by Stalin who killed millions MORE than Hitler did.

It's an old argument that has been done to death here.

People see the swastika and think WW2 and the holocaust, people see the hammer and sickle and think communism.

[Demen]

I do have a question on why the Swastika is banned. Yes hitler used it as a symbol of nazism and he killed millions but as was already said he didn't invent the swastika. By that logic the Sickle and Hammer should be banned because it was used by Stalin who killed millions MORE than Hitler did.

Epic win.

[Rambhutan]

Not this shit again.

[Visica]

I just hope at some point in time the swatstika will finally be looked at by all people by it's original meaning and not the WW2 way, but I doubt that will ever happen.

[Holstria]

The Swastika was used alot in Native American Culture. From what I've seen it was on pottery and decorations etc. Infact I live in oklahoma, and the Oklahoma 45th infantry division (now a brigade) used to have the Swastika as a unit emblem. But when the Nazi's were affiliated with it they changed it. It's not a bad symbol, it's just it was used with a bad ideaology.

[Demen]

Not this shit again.

? Why the flame?

[Holy Paradise]

I say it's never going to be legal for a flag on this site BECAUSE its historical value has been perverted forever by Hitler and by contemporary racist groups.

Again, I wasn't implying we make swastikas legal on this site, I was seeing if people had Biased opinions toward it.

Generally, the use of the swastika in modern times is intended to symbolize Nazi ideals, which is why in most circumstances, use of the swastika is looked down upon.

Of course, if you look at a number of archaeological findings from India, the Middle East, even in Greece, you will find the swastika present on pottery, art, and other various items. Really, when you look at it, the idea of using the swastika to promote a master race of blue-eyed, blonde-haired Caucasians is idiotic, as the symbol was a multi-culturally and multi-racially used symbol.

[Ceannairceach]

I do have a question on why the Swastika is banned. Yes hitler used it as a symbol of nazism and he killed millions but as was already said he didn't invent the swastika. By that logic the Sickle and Hammer should be banned because it was used by Stalin who killed millions MORE than Hitler did.

Epic win.

No, its not. Heres why, based of Fartsniffage's answer.

When one see's the Nazi Swastika, they think Holocaust, Nazi Germany, and Hitler. You see, the Nazi's killed out of hate for a race and the feeling of white power.

But, the Hammer and Sickle makes you think Communism. Stalin killed for his nation, communism, etc, not out of hate. "Simply business", to quote the Godfather.

[Risottia]

The swastika.
A feared and hated symble mostly affiliated to nazi germany. But, Hitler did not make the symble, he simply chose it as the centerpiece of nazi pride. I want your opinions, NSG, should the swastika be an evil symble, or a one that resembles power, and pride?

Last time I checked it was a symbol.
Anyway, yes, the swastika, in Western culture, stands for Nazism since we knew of the Nazi genocides. Which is quite close to what one could define as "evil".

[Katganistan]

I say it's never going to be legal for a flag on this site BECAUSE its historical value has been perverted forever by Hitler and by contemporary racist groups.

Then why isn't the Sickle and Hammer banned? Stalin killed millions more in labor camps that were based off the nazi concentration camps.

Since my explanation about apparently isn't enough -- 'cos [violet] says so.

[Demen]

The swastika.
A feared and hated symble mostly affiliated to nazi germany. But, Hitler did not make the symble, he simply chose it as the centerpiece of nazi pride. I want your opinions, NSG, should the swastika be an evil symble, or a one that resembles power, and pride?

Last time I checked it was a symbol.
Anyway, yes, the swastika, in Western culture, stands for Nazism since we knew of the Nazi genocides. Which is quite close to what one could define as "evil".

Yes, but we must remember that the swastika used to mean good fortune.

[Katganistan]

I do have a question on why the Swastika is banned. Yes hitler used it as a symbol of nazism and he killed millions but as was already said he didn't invent the swastika. By that logic the Sickle and Hammer should be banned because it was used by Stalin who killed millions MORE than Hitler did.

Epic win.

Read the stickies. Epic lose.

[Sun Aut Ex]

But, the Hammer and Sickle makes you think Communism. Stalin killed for his nation, communism, etc, not out of hate. "Simply business", to quote the Godfather.

Pretty lame, Milhouse.