Well well well....

[Sailsia]

Beck=Hitler: Simply a puppet. A man who is used for the sole purpose of advancing the agenda of a movement which aims to crush freedom.

Limbaugh=Himmler: The one we should really be looking at, the REAL leader. The one who is genuinely evil, and should be held responsible for his followers actions.

[Panzerjaeger]

Beck=Hitler: Simply a puppet. A man who is used for the sole purpose of advancing the agenda of a movement which aims to crush freedom.

Limbaugh=Himmler: The one we should really be looking at, the REAL leader. The one who is genuinely evil, and should be held responsible for his followers actions.

If you consider Himmler the real leader a fucking chicken farmer I might add as the real leader of the NSDAP then you are crazier then Beck.

[Sailsia]

Beck=Hitler: Simply a puppet. A man who is used for the sole purpose of advancing the agenda of a movement which aims to crush freedom.

Limbaugh=Himmler: The one we should really be looking at, the REAL leader. The one who is genuinely evil, and should be held responsible for his followers actions.

If you consider Himmler the real leader a fucking chicken farmer I might add as the real leader of the NSDAP then you are crazier then Beck.

He was the one who directed the SS, which was the whole thing that made Nazi Germany different from other totalitarian regimes. And you can't compare me and Beck, since I don't try to push my beliefs on others.

[Allrule]

Beck=Hitler: Simply a puppet. A man who is used for the sole purpose of advancing the agenda of a movement which aims to crush freedom.

Limbaugh=Himmler: The one we should really be looking at, the REAL leader. The one who is genuinely evil, and should be held responsible for his followers actions.

That's getting dangerously close to enabling Godwin's Law...

[Sailsia]

Beck=Hitler: Simply a puppet. A man who is used for the sole purpose of advancing the agenda of a movement which aims to crush freedom.

Limbaugh=Himmler: The one we should really be looking at, the REAL leader. The one who is genuinely evil, and should be held responsible for his followers actions.

That's getting dangerously close to enabling Godwin's Law...

ya ya ya...

[Buffett and Colbert]

This is a horrendus crime however I am unwilling to lay this at Limbaugh and Beck's feet.
Michael Enright the suspect was a liberal arts student who had did volunteer work in Afghanistan.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crim ... _ward.html

He may in fact jsut be crazy, god knows New York has plenty of those.

And who encouraged him? Beck. Limbaugh. Those bigoted assholes. I think I'm right to blame them for this attack.

I think you're wrong. No connecton whatsoever has been shown to exist so far between them or other media pundits and the attacker.

For fuck's sake. These right wing hacks have said everything but "KILL MUSLIMS!"

They've said it's a terrorist command centre. They've said it's a symbol of terrorist triumph. They've said that funding might come from terrorist organisations/countries. If I were one of the millions of dimwits out there, I'd be outraged and fearful too. Definitely enough to try and take matters into my own hands.

[Ashas Favor]

This is a horrendus crime however I am unwilling to lay this at Limbaugh and Beck's feet.
Michael Enright the suspect was a liberal arts student who had did volunteer work in Afghanistan.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crim ... _ward.html

He may in fact jsut be crazy, god knows New York has plenty of those.

And who encouraged him? Beck. Limbaugh. Those bigoted assholes. I think I'm right to blame them for this attack.

I think you're wrong. No connecton whatsoever has been shown to exist so far between them or other media pundits and the attacker.

For fuck's sake. These right wing hacks have said everything but "KILL MUSLIMS!"

They've said it's a terrorist command centre. They've said it's a symbol of terrorist triumph. They've said that funding might come from terrorist organisations/countries. If I were one of the millions of dimwits out there, I'd be outraged and fearful too. Definitely enough to try and take matters into my own hands.

Now I am not sure whose scare tactics are worse. Yours or Beckimbaugh (catchy name eh...I made it up all by myself).

You = the media are telling us to kill Muslims, this is going to be the end of the worlds...oh no!

Beckimbaugh = Muslims are builiding a mosque that may be funded by terrorism (or Fox news, same thing), this is going to be the end of the world...OH NO!

so many similarities...you can not blame the media for idiots. Take a case like this to court with your defense as "The Media" made him do it. If you are not laughed out of the courtroom, I guarantee that you will lose and then you will be laughed at.

[Buffett and Colbert]

Now I am not sure whose scare tactics are worse. Yours or Beckimbaugh (catchy name eh...I made it up all by myself).

I'm really curious as to how I'm using scare tactics.

You = the media are telling us to kill Muslims, this is going to be the end of the worlds...oh no!

That's nice.

Beckimbaugh = Muslims are builiding a mosque that may be funded by terrorism (or Fox news, same thing), this is going to be the end of the world...OH NO!

Are you deliberately being obtuse?

so many similarities...you can not blame the media for idiots. Take a case like this to court with your defense as "The Media" made him do it. If you are not laughed out of the courtroom, I guarantee that you will lose and then you will be laughed at.

There are a couple of problems with this.

1. You seriously fail at drawing comparisons. It's quite amusing.
2. I never said this should be taken to court, or that it would ever succeed in court. But you seem to like putting words into my mouth.

[Ashas Favor]

Now I am not sure whose scare tactics are worse. Yours or Beckimbaugh (catchy name eh...I made it up all by myself).

I'm really curious as to how I'm using scare tactics.

You = the media are telling us to kill Muslims, this is going to be the end of the worlds...oh no!

That's nice.

Beckimbaugh = Muslims are builiding a mosque that may be funded by terrorism (or Fox news, same thing), this is going to be the end of the world...OH NO!

Are you deliberately being obtuse?

so many similarities...you can not blame the media for idiots. Take a case like this to court with your defense as "The Media" made him do it. If you are not laughed out of the courtroom, I guarantee that you will lose and then you will be laughed at.

There are a couple of problems with this.

1. You seriously fail at drawing comparisons. It's quite amusing.
2. I never said this should be taken to court, or that it would ever succeed in court. But you seem to like putting words into my mouth.

1. You are using scare tactics by making claims that the media is telling people to kill Muslims. That in itself is a scare tactic. It makes people defensive of the big evil media. According to your logic, if this message gets out to people, they will start killing "the media".

2. It actually is not nice. It is false because you clearly have no idea that people are responsible for their own actions. Whether the big bad media says to do or not to do something.

3. I was doing exactly what you say the media is doing. Beck comparing Obama to Hitler is silly. Me comparing you to Beckimbaugh is also silly but I am just using your logic to determine that you are evil just as the big evil mean media is making people go out and kill one another that you determined was a cause for this idiot's outlash against a muslim. I find it hard that you actually believe yourself.

4. See #3. It is quite easy to compare you to Limbaugh and Beck because you fear the media and believe that it can cause a person to go out and kill someone else. You actually think that listening to Limbaugh or Beck can lead to someone violently attacking another person? I am not really putting words in your mouth because this is/was/will be an actual court case. It seems you are trying to justify his actions by blaming the media. This guy would not have done this if it had not been for the media telling him to kill Muslims (which you still have no proof to justify).

This is one of the many many things that is wrong with this Country. No one wants to be responsible for his or her own actions. They want to blame other people, video games, religion, non-religion, and in your case the evil muslim hating media that brainwashes us into killing one another. If we let the media have its way, we will be in another civil war? Even suggesting that the media had anything to do with this idiot's shortcomings is laughable...and you should be laughed at for implying it.

[Buffett and Colbert]

1. You are using scare tactics by making claims that the media is telling people to kill Muslims. That in itself is a scare tactic. It makes people defensive of the big evil media. According to your logic, if this message gets out to people, they will start killing "the media".

So you are being deliberately obtuse. Gotcha.

2. It actually is not nice. It is false because you clearly have no idea that people are responsible for their own actions. Whether the big bad media says to do or not to do something.

That's nice.

3. I was doing exactly what you say the media is doing. Beck comparing Obama to Hitler is silly. Me comparing you to Beckimbaugh is also silly but I am just using your logic to determine that you are evil just as the big evil mean media is making people go out and kill one another that you determined was a cause for this idiot's outlash against a muslim. I find it hard that you actually believe yourself.

You've abandoned coherency now, too? I'm sorry, but you aren't making a lot of sense.

4. See #3. It is quite easy to compare you to Limbaugh and Beck because you fear the media

I fear the media's power over the impressionable. Difference.

and believe that it can cause a person to go out and kill someone else. You actually think that listening to Limbaugh or Beck can lead to someone violently attacking another person?

No. As I've stated before (and you keep ignoring), I don't hold any specific people responsible. I blame the collective Islamophobic media pundits.

I am not really putting words in your mouth because this is/was/will be an actual court case.

I never said it would be, so yes, you are still putting words into my mouth. Plus, source for that it will be an actual court case?

It seems you are trying to justify his actions by blaming the media. This guy would not have done this if it had not been for the media telling him to kill Muslims (which you still have no proof to justify).

Bullshit. I think this man is fully responsible for his actions, but he's not the only one responsible. And again, you're misconstruing what I say. It's getting rather tiring.

This is one of the many many things that is wrong with this Country. No one wants to be responsible for his or her own actions. They want to blame other people, video games, religion, non-religion, and in your case the evil muslim hating media that brainwashes us into killing one another. If we let the media have its way, we will be in another civil war? Even suggesting that the media had anything to do with this idiot's shortcomings is laughable...and you should be laughed at for implying it.

See above.

[Gravlen]

This is a horrendus crime however I am unwilling to lay this at Limbaugh and Beck's feet.
Michael Enright the suspect was a liberal arts student who had did volunteer work in Afghanistan.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crim ... _ward.html

He may in fact jsut be crazy, god knows New York has plenty of those.

And who encouraged him? Beck. Limbaugh. Those bigoted assholes. I think I'm right to blame them for this attack.

I think you're wrong. No connecton whatsoever has been shown to exist so far between them or other media pundits and the attacker.

For fuck's sake. These right wing hacks have said everything but "KILL MUSLIMS!"

They've said it's a terrorist command centre. They've said it's a symbol of terrorist triumph. They've said that funding might come from terrorist organisations/countries. If I were one of the millions of dimwits out there, I'd be outraged and fearful too. Definitely enough to try and take matters into my own hands.

And while their behavior is deplorable, there still is, at this point in time, no connection between their statements and his actions. As far as I know, the motivation for the attack remains unclear.

Seems he had a problem with alcohol, and he may have suffered from PTSD even before his recent trip to Afghanistan. If true, the alcohol abuse and mental illness could have provided him with sufficient motivation to carry out an attack without any encouragement from pundits.

Does he even watch TV?

You're free to speculate, but at this point it makes you look equally silly to the people who blame rap music for inner city violence, and Marilyn Manson for Columbine.

[Ashas Favor]

This is a horrendus crime however I am unwilling to lay this at Limbaugh and Beck's feet.
Michael Enright the suspect was a liberal arts student who had did volunteer work in Afghanistan.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crim ... _ward.html

He may in fact jsut be crazy, god knows New York has plenty of those.

And who encouraged him? Beck. Limbaugh. Those bigoted assholes. I think I'm right to blame them for this attack.

I think you're wrong. No connecton whatsoever has been shown to exist so far between them or other media pundits and the attacker.

For fuck's sake. These right wing hacks have said everything but "KILL MUSLIMS!"

They've said it's a terrorist command centre. They've said it's a symbol of terrorist triumph. They've said that funding might come from terrorist organisations/countries. If I were one of the millions of dimwits out there, I'd be outraged and fearful too. Definitely enough to try and take matters into my own hands.

And while their behavior is deplorable, there still is, at this point in time, no connection between their statements and his actions. As far as I know, the motivation for the attack remains unclear.

Seems he had a problem with alcohol, and he may have suffered from PTSD even before his recent trip to Afghanistan. If true, the alcohol abuse and mental illness could have provided him with sufficient motivation to carry out an attack without any encouragement from pundits.

Does he even watch TV?

You're free to speculate, but at this point it makes you look equally silly to the people who blame rap music for inner city violence, and Marilyn Manson for Columbine.

Gravlen summed it up quite well...all you are doing is making a statement based off speculation. With no proof to back up your claims. On top of that, there can be no proof to back up your claim because this islamophobic media or whatever the hell you want to call it is not the culprit here and it never will be.

You may think I am incoherent, but that is simply because you are allowing your hatred for these pundits (I hate em too, I really do) to cloud your judgement. They (the media) are not responsible for this. Anyways, what are you trying to gain by placing blame on them? Do you want them to be forced to silence?

[Buffett and Colbert]

Anyways, what are you trying to gain by placing blame on them? Do you want them to be forced to silence?

No, I'm just pointing out what happens when we give morons TV and radio shows.

[Ashas Favor]

Anyways, what are you trying to gain by placing blame on them? Do you want them to be forced to silence?

No, I'm just pointing out what happens when we give morons TV and radio shows.

We have been giving morons TV and radio shows for a long time...Jersey Shore comes to mind immediately or anything on man hater channel (lifetime for clarification). Does not make it ok to blame them for the stupid stuff people do lol.

[Buffett and Colbert]

Anyways, what are you trying to gain by placing blame on them? Do you want them to be forced to silence?

No, I'm just pointing out what happens when we give morons TV and radio shows.

We have been giving morons TV and radio shows for a long time...Jersey Shore comes to mind immediately or anything on man hater channel (lifetime for clarification). Does not make it ok to blame them for the stupid stuff people do lol.

You keep posting under the premise I blame them entirely. Why do you do this?

[Ashas Favor]

Anyways, what are you trying to gain by placing blame on them? Do you want them to be forced to silence?

No, I'm just pointing out what happens when we give morons TV and radio shows.

We have been giving morons TV and radio shows for a long time...Jersey Shore comes to mind immediately or anything on man hater channel (lifetime for clarification). Does not make it ok to blame them for the stupid stuff people do lol.

You keep posting under the premise I blame them entirely. Why do you do this?

Ok, you do not blame them entirely...why at all? Either way they are not responsible.

[Daistallia 2104]

Nothing new here - the Islamophobes have been acting out for years and years in the US.

Here's a short list from September-October 2001:

On the afternoon of Saturday, 2001-SEP-15, a gunman killed the 49 year old owner of a gas station in Mesa, AZ. He was a Sikh. His family believes that he was killed because he "looked Middle Eastern." Additional shots were fired at a Lebanese clerk and at the home of an Afghan family.

On the evening of Saturday, 2001-SEP-15, a gunman killed a Pakistani Muslim store owner in Dallas, TX.

Adel Karas, 48, an Egyptian-American grocer was shot and killed near his International Market store in San Gabriel, CA. He
was a Copt -- neither Muslim nor Arab. No money was taken. Police are investigating the murder as a possible hate crime.

A man drove his car through the front entrance of Parma Mosque in Cleveland OH.

Also on Saturday, a Christian of Egyptian origin was shot dead in California.

Near Chicago, IL, there was a march in which about 300 anti-Arab youths waved flags, shouted "USA, USA," and attempted to march on a mosque in Bridgeview, IL -- a suburb southwest of Chicago. Colin Zaremba, 19, said: "I'm proud to be American and I hate Arabs and I always have." Three demonstrators were arrested.

In Chicago, a Molotov cocktail was thrown t an Arab-American community center. There were no injuries and little damage.

In Huntington, NY, Adam Lang, reportedly a drunken driver, 75, allegedly tried to kill a Pakistani woman with his car. He later followed the woman into a store and threatened to kill her for "destroying my country."

In Gary, IN, a man wearing a mask pumped over 20 bullets from a high-powered assault rifle at a Muslim, Hassan Awdah. He survived. Hassan is a U.S. citizen, born in Yemen.

In Lynnwood, WA, a mosque was vandalized.

In Suffolk County, NY, a man allegedly made anti-Arab threats and pointed a handgun at the employee of a gas station. He was arrested.

In a prison in Washington state, two inmates fought over an anti-Muslim slur.

a gasoline bomb was thrown into the home of a Sikh family in California.

Two mosques were firebombed with Molotov cocktails during the weekend of OCT-20-21. They are located in Burlington and
Mississauga, near Toronto ON Canada. Kendrich House, 35, from Oakville ON has allegedly been charged.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/reac_ter1.htm

[Right-Wing-Extremists]

God I laughed so hard when people started blaming Glenn Beck....

[Holy Paradise]

-snip-

Basically this. This crap's been unfortunately going on for a while now, and if you're going to blame this attack on Beck and Limbaugh, you might as well blame them for every single murder of a Muslim, because, there's always the possibility the killer once listened to Beck or Limbaugh.

In no way is anyone excusing what this psychopath did. However, to just point at Beck and Limbaugh, without any actual proof that the suspect even watched or listened to either of them (let alone was influenced by them), and blame them for this crime is to blame 2 people who neither committed nor were accomplices to the stabbing.

[Panzerjaeger]

Beck=Hitler: Simply a puppet. A man who is used for the sole purpose of advancing the agenda of a movement which aims to crush freedom.

Limbaugh=Himmler: The one we should really be looking at, the REAL leader. The one who is genuinely evil, and should be held responsible for his followers actions.

If you consider Himmler the real leader a fucking chicken farmer I might add as the real leader of the NSDAP then you are crazier then Beck.

He was the one who directed the SS, which was the whole thing that made Nazi Germany different from other totalitarian regimes. And you can't compare me and Beck, since I don't try to push my beliefs on others.

And how did this mental case of a chicken farmer become head of the SS? Oh that is right he accidentally caught a bullet for Hitler by just standing around. It is believed Goering supported Himmler becoming head of the SS because he believed he could control him. If you want to look at a real string puller in the NSDAP it would be Goering not the idiot Himmler.

[Daistallia 2104]

This crap's been unfortunately going on for a while now, and if you're going to blame this attack on Beck and Limbaugh, you might as well blame them for every single murder of a Muslim, because, there's always the possibility the killer once listened to Beck or Limbaugh.

In no way is anyone excusing what this psychopath did. However, to just point at Beck and Limbaugh, without any actual proof that the suspect even watched or listened to either of them (let alone was influenced by them), and blame them for this crime is to blame 2 people who neither committed nor were accomplices to the stabbing.

To be fair, however, the populist fire feeding of their ilk isn't helping at all, but rather contributing to the general atmosphere of uncalled for fear and loathing.

[Holy Paradise]

This crap's been unfortunately going on for a while now, and if you're going to blame this attack on Beck and Limbaugh, you might as well blame them for every single murder of a Muslim, because, there's always the possibility the killer once listened to Beck or Limbaugh.

In no way is anyone excusing what this psychopath did. However, to just point at Beck and Limbaugh, without any actual proof that the suspect even watched or listened to either of them (let alone was influenced by them), and blame them for this crime is to blame 2 people who neither committed nor were accomplices to the stabbing.

To be fair, however, the populist fire feeding of their ilk isn't helping at all, but rather contributing to the general atmosphere of uncalled for fear and loathing.

Of course it adds to the flames, but it's not conducive to actual responsibility for the crime committed.

It's the same thing when people blamed Columbine on Doom, premarital sex on popular music, and so on. No, video games don't make you kill people, you made that decision, no music doesn't make you get it on, that's your decision and your partner's. No, some crazy political pundit didn't force you to stab that person, you chose to stab them.

[Faith Hope Charity]

Hey leftists, blame whoever you want on whatever you want, it obviously helps you sleep better at night. Theres no accepting responsibility for ones own actions with you guys, is there? Its always someone elses fault, and somehow some pawn was acting out on someone elses behalf, or duress.

[Holy Paradise]

Hey leftists, blame whoever you want on whatever you want, it obviously helps you sleep better at night. Theres no accepting responsibility for ones own actions with you guys, is there? Its always someone elses fault, and somehow some pawn was acting out on someone elses behalf, or duress.

Actually, in this thread, only a few people have been blaming Beck and Limbaugh. Most posters, both conservative, liberal, etc., have said that such an assumption is without proof and is mere speculation that is not grounded in fact.

[Sailsia]

Hey leftists

Okay, now that you have generalized all leftists, lets begin

blame whoever you want on whatever you want, it obviously helps you sleep better at night.

I fail to see your point here. Again, you just generalized that ALL "leftists" blame Beck and Rush, which isn't true. Should I generalize and say all "Righties" watch Glenn Beck, and listen to Rush Limbaugh?

Theres no accepting responsibility for ones own actions with you guys, is there?

In reality, he was a grown man, and should take responsibility for his own actions. Of course, SOMEONE put it into his head that there is a reason to kill someone based on their religion (in this case Islam) I have my money on the US Army.

Its always someone elses fault, and somehow some pawn was acting out on someone elses behalf, or duress.

No. Who said that? No one said that this man stabbed a Muslim "in the name of Glenn Beck". The point others have been making is that SOMEONE had to of planted the idea in his head that there is a reason to kill someone based on their religion, in this case Islam and that it was most likely Glenn Beck. (and to prevent you from lumping me into YOUR idea of a "leftist" I have already stated, that I believe the US Army is the culprit)

Now then, any more sweeping generalizations?