Glenn Beck's 8-28 Rally in Washington D.C.

[Holy Paradise]

Having a religion doesn't make you a theocrat.

"but attempting to force gov. policy to follow ones own, religious ideals does"

I thought the definition of theocracy is when a church itself is the government, not just the government having laws that are based on religious ideals.

I guess we live in a Theocracy because it is illegal to kill.

Actually, in a theocracy, killing would be incouaged. Can't be having any heathens around to ask difficult questions.

Not necessarily. Depends on the religion. In the case of a vast number of faiths, yes, but I doubt that a theocracy of Unitarian Universalists would be a particularly brutal one (Although the idea of them forming a theocracy probably would run counter to their own beliefs).

Pretty much any religion that actually calls for and supports the creation of a theocracy is going to be killing heathens at some point.

No doubt that's true, which is why I oppose theocracies. However, I am merely differentiating between theocracy and laws that have religious basis.

[Grave_n_idle]

Martin Luther King's niece is obviously a racist.

-_-

No one's called her a racist. He is homophobic, though.

Why is she a homophobe?

Smear campaigns are smear-ish.


Anyways, this entire event has been called a mockery of Martin Luther King and racist... while Martin Luther King's family members are attending! Criticism of the "RESTORING HONOR" rally which benefits the FAMILIES OF DEAD TROOPS is ludicrous.

For the 4th time, she spent quite a while talking about the the insitution of marriage was under attack from us evil gays. As you would call anyone who claimed that inter-racial marriage is a threat the the institution of marriage a racist, I call her a homophobe.

Anything that isn't pro-gay is homophobic?

No, but things that are anti-gay are. Almost - one might say - by definition?

[Helertia]

For the 4th time, she spent quite a while talking about the the insitution of marriage was under attack from us evil gays. As you would call anyone who claimed that inter-racial marriage is a threat the the institution of marriage a racist, I call her a homophobe.

So? She feels that gay marriage opposes her religious ideals.

Nothing wrong with that: I promote legalization of gay marriage, but I don't care if religions want to recognize it or not. If it interferes with their religious ideals, then they're free to denounce it. It doesn't make them homophobes: they don't promote lynching or anything.

Exactly, and bashing on their religion is not exactly being "tolerant." Some people have a serious superiority complex because they are atheist.

If she feels that it is against her religious ideals, then fine. She doesn't have to marry a woman, or allow gay marriage in her church. But there's no reason to force everyone to agree with her.
And how is anyone here bashin her religion? I called her a homophobe because she is one, the same way you would call someone against inter-racial marriage a racist.

[Helertia]

Having a religion doesn't make you a theocrat.

"but attempting to force gov. policy to follow ones own, religious ideals does"

I thought the definition of theocracy is when a church itself is the government, not just the government having laws that are based on religious ideals.

I guess we live in a Theocracy because it is illegal to kill.

Actually, in a theocracy, killing would be incouaged. Can't be having any heathens around to ask difficult questions.

Not necessarily. Depends on the religion. In the case of a vast number of faiths, yes, but I doubt that a theocracy of Unitarian Universalists would be a particularly brutal one (Although the idea of them forming a theocracy probably would run counter to their own beliefs).

Pretty much any religion that actually calls for and supports the creation of a theocracy is going to be killing heathens at some point.

No doubt that's true, which is why I oppose theocracies. However, I am merely differentiating between theocracy and laws that have religious basis.

Says the person called Holy Paradise xD

[Zephie]

For the 4th time, she spent quite a while talking about the the insitution of marriage was under attack from us evil gays. As you would call anyone who claimed that inter-racial marriage is a threat the the institution of marriage a racist, I call her a homophobe.

So? She feels that gay marriage opposes her religious ideals.

Nothing wrong with that:

Wrong.

Other people should not be bound to laws just to satisfy your religious ideals - thus, if someone is trying to set the law of the land based on that premise, there very much is something 'wrong with that'.

(Note: I think it's obvious - but it always pays to doublecheck - 'your' ideals are not relating to YOU personally, it's the nonspecific collective 'you').

Wrong. There's people that don't support gay marriage whom aren't religious. And because an ideal is also shared by people of a religion does not make it any less credible nor wrong. There's also more pressing matters to care about in America than if gays can get married.

[Holy Paradise]

In my opinion, while I am a very devout Catholic, since churches are not bound to perform gay marriages due to the law of freedom of religion, that renders this a non-issue. At the rate we're going, gay marriage is almost not a matter of "if", but "when". If it were to be legalized, it wouldn't be a very big deal to me.

[New Accord]

Since the rally is on...Marcus Luttrell background to smack you liberal folk upside the head.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irC4K7Q4JCo
I think I'll be picking up that book. What about you?
The following is too graphic for the neo-liberal pansy's so just comment on the rally itself. Avoid the next links and go straight to the next question.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nzZrUndMAs&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QanOI9crF1s&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FPLCKdI_fs&feature=related
Mini movie:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx-63pfxJjE

Glenn Beck may be a nutter on the Religious side...(I don't believe in gods, gods, or goddesses...rather silly throwback to simple minded tribes)

Addressing the conservative rally, Mr Beck - a presenter for Fox News - said the US had "wandered in darkness" for too long. "America today begins to turn back to God," he said.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11114172
SEE VIDEO FROM RALLY ON THAT PAGE
Beck looks more like a televangelist selling his religion than a political wackjob.
Shudder the thought!....isn't there supposed to be a division between Church and State? Are the Teabaggers all teabagging to Jesus?

Beck talks faith in rally....
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/08/28/glenn.beck.rally/index.html

WHEN will you civilized and educated folk Wake the fuck Up and realize there's no cloud-surfing deity out there watching you and caring/not caring? Create your own destiny. Nobody but yourselves to blame for your mistakes and no one to apologize to. Praying to god, gods, or goddesses makes as much sense as worshiping the Sun as we used to. You get blinded and stupid.
(End Rant.)

Take a deep breath, and relax. I understand that we all feel emotions about this issue, but just take a breather okay?

I figured I'd hit you with 7 large bricks...I mean links..to get things going again as to the Rally and what's going on...man.

[Grave_n_idle]

For the 4th time, she spent quite a while talking about the the insitution of marriage was under attack from us evil gays. As you would call anyone who claimed that inter-racial marriage is a threat the the institution of marriage a racist, I call her a homophobe.

So? She feels that gay marriage opposes her religious ideals.

Nothing wrong with that:

Wrong.

Other people should not be bound to laws just to satisfy your religious ideals - thus, if someone is trying to set the law of the land based on that premise, there very much is something 'wrong with that'.

(Note: I think it's obvious - but it always pays to doublecheck - 'your' ideals are not relating to YOU personally, it's the nonspecific collective 'you').

Wrong. There's people that don't support gay marriage whom aren't religious. /quote]

That wasn't the argument I addressed. The argument was those who are attempting to set the laws based on religion.

Try to keep up.

[Helertia]

For the 4th time, she spent quite a while talking about the the insitution of marriage was under attack from us evil gays. As you would call anyone who claimed that inter-racial marriage is a threat the the institution of marriage a racist, I call her a homophobe.

So? She feels that gay marriage opposes her religious ideals.

Nothing wrong with that:

Wrong.

Other people should not be bound to laws just to satisfy your religious ideals - thus, if someone is trying to set the law of the land based on that premise, there very much is something 'wrong with that'.

(Note: I think it's obvious - but it always pays to doublecheck - 'your' ideals are not relating to YOU personally, it's the nonspecific collective 'you').

Wrong. There's people that don't support gay marriage whom aren't religious. And because an ideal is also shared by people of a religion does not make it any less credible nor wrong. There's also more pressing matters to care about in America than if gays can get married.

Yes, and what argument do they have? "It's icky" Hardly persuasive.
No one is saying that a religious ideal is inherently wrong - We're saying that purely religious ideals have no place in a secular government.

[Holy Paradise]

Having a religion doesn't make you a theocrat.

"but attempting to force gov. policy to follow ones own, religious ideals does"

I thought the definition of theocracy is when a church itself is the government, not just the government having laws that are based on religious ideals.

I guess we live in a Theocracy because it is illegal to kill.

Actually, in a theocracy, killing would be incouaged. Can't be having any heathens around to ask difficult questions.

Not necessarily. Depends on the religion. In the case of a vast number of faiths, yes, but I doubt that a theocracy of Unitarian Universalists would be a particularly brutal one (Although the idea of them forming a theocracy probably would run counter to their own beliefs).

Pretty much any religion that actually calls for and supports the creation of a theocracy is going to be killing heathens at some point.

No doubt that's true, which is why I oppose theocracies. However, I am merely differentiating between theocracy and laws that have religious basis.

Says the person called Holy Paradise xD

Ah, my disguise as a person in favor of democracy has been compromised!

[Zephie]

For the 4th time, she spent quite a while talking about the the insitution of marriage was under attack from us evil gays. As you would call anyone who claimed that inter-racial marriage is a threat the the institution of marriage a racist, I call her a homophobe.

So? She feels that gay marriage opposes her religious ideals.

Nothing wrong with that:

Wrong.

Other people should not be bound to laws just to satisfy your religious ideals - thus, if someone is trying to set the law of the land based on that premise, there very much is something 'wrong with that'.

(Note: I think it's obvious - but it always pays to doublecheck - 'your' ideals are not relating to YOU personally, it's the nonspecific collective 'you').

Wrong. There's people that don't support gay marriage whom aren't religious. /quote]

That wasn't the argument I addressed. The argument was those who are attempting to set the laws based on religion.

Try to keep up.

I don't understand what you just said.

Never mind, you ninja-edited it.

[Grave_n_idle]

For the 4th time, she spent quite a while talking about the the insitution of marriage was under attack from us evil gays. As you would call anyone who claimed that inter-racial marriage is a threat the the institution of marriage a racist, I call her a homophobe.

So? She feels that gay marriage opposes her religious ideals.

Nothing wrong with that:

Wrong.

Other people should not be bound to laws just to satisfy your religious ideals - thus, if someone is trying to set the law of the land based on that premise, there very much is something 'wrong with that'.

(Note: I think it's obvious - but it always pays to doublecheck - 'your' ideals are not relating to YOU personally, it's the nonspecific collective 'you').

Wrong. There's people that don't support gay marriage whom aren't religious. /quote]

That wasn't the argument I addressed. The argument was those who are attempting to set the laws based on religion.

Try to keep up.

I don't understand what you just said.

Indeed. What's new?

You talked about how there is 'nothing wrong' with someone wanting to set laws that agreed with their religious ideals.

When I pointed out that one person setting laws that affect others - based onj PERSONAL religious belief, is indeed wrong... you went off on some bizarre tangent about how not all opposition to gay marriage is religious.

Okay... that might be true (although I'm not convinced)... but clearly your own use of the phrase 'her religious ideals' suggests that we're not talking about other opposition.

[Geniasis]

Wrong. There's people that don't support gay marriage whom aren't religious. And because an ideal is also shared by people of a religion does not make it any less credible nor wrong. There's also more pressing matters to care about in America than if gays can get married.

I dunno. I'm one of those crazy people that put always puts civil rights on the top of my priority list.

[Holy Paradise]

I have yet to find opposition to gay marriage that is not based on religious reasons, and I say that as a person who used to oppose gay marriage due to religious beliefs. That's why I now just am indifferent to the entire matter, as while my religion says marriage is between a man and a woman, I know I cannot base that secular law on that belief alone.

Oh, the life of being a devout, politically-involved Catholic.

[Zephie]

For the 4th time, she spent quite a while talking about the the insitution of marriage was under attack from us evil gays. As you would call anyone who claimed that inter-racial marriage is a threat the the institution of marriage a racist, I call her a homophobe.

So? She feels that gay marriage opposes her religious ideals.

Nothing wrong with that:

Wrong.

Other people should not be bound to laws just to satisfy your religious ideals - thus, if someone is trying to set the law of the land based on that premise, there very much is something 'wrong with that'.

(Note: I think it's obvious - but it always pays to doublecheck - 'your' ideals are not relating to YOU personally, it's the nonspecific collective 'you').

Wrong. There's people that don't support gay marriage whom aren't religious. /quote]

That wasn't the argument I addressed. The argument was those who are attempting to set the laws based on religion.

Try to keep up.

I don't understand what you just said.

Indeed. What's new?

You talked about how there is 'nothing wrong' with someone wanting to set laws that agreed with their religious ideals.

When I pointed out that one person setting laws that affect others - based onj PERSONAL religious belief, is indeed wrong... you went off on some bizarre tangent about how not all opposition to gay marriage is religious.

Okay... that might be true (although I'm not convinced)... but clearly your own use of the phrase 'her religious ideals' suggests that we're not talking about other opposition.

Congratulations on taking my words out of context. I stated "Never mind, you ninja-edited."

Edit: and also fail, because you just replied to the wrong person about the "religious ideals" part. I think we are pretty much done here.

[Helertia]

I have yet to find opposition to gay marriage that is not based on religious reasons, and I say that as a person who used to oppose gay marriage due to religious beliefs. That's why I now just am indifferent to the entire matter, as while my religion says marriage is between a man and a woman, I know I cannot base that secular law on that belief alone.

Oh, the life of being a devout, politically-involved Catholic.

And one with respect, which is unusal for religious people in general. Have a Helertia award for being awesome and temporarily making humanity seem like a good idea.

[Glorious Homeland]

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/08/28/washington-conservative-rally.html#socialcomments

The CBC site posted a brief blurb on the rally and counter rally. Several Canadians commented, most believing Beck & Palin are nuts.

Well, Canada tends to be more center-left on the political spectrum (relative to American political beliefs, that is.) So the fact that many Canadians are in disagreement is none too surprising.

Canadians Ben Dover, and Takit Rah were voted most popular TV personalities for the 3rd year in a row due to their leftist and slightly bent political positions. There's a reason the flag is 2/3's Red.

...

In 1921, King George V proclaimed the official colours of Canada as red, from Saint George's Cross, and white, from the French royal emblem since King Charles VII.[13]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_flag
It's to symbolise England and France, which pre-dates the rise of socialism in the late 1800s. Besides, you say it like it's a bad thing, which there is little evidence for.

[New Accord]

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/08/28/washington-conservative-rally.html#socialcomments

The CBC site posted a brief blurb on the rally and counter rally. Several Canadians commented, most believing Beck & Palin are nuts.

Well, Canada tends to be more center-left on the political spectrum (relative to American political beliefs, that is.) So the fact that many Canadians are in disagreement is none too surprising.

Canadians Ben Dover, and Takit Rah were voted most popular TV personalities for the 3rd year in a row due to their leftist and slightly bent political positions. There's a reason the flag is 2/3's Red.

...

In 1921, King George V proclaimed the official colours of Canada as red, from Saint George's Cross, and white, from the French royal emblem since King Charles VII.[13]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_flag
It's to symbolise England and France, which pre-dates the rise of socialism in the late 1800s. Besides, you say it like it's a bad thing, which there is little evidence for.

I'm aware of the flag origin...I was slamming the current shift to the left with a 'conservative' dose of sarcasm. The thread is full of liberals and communists as usual so I figured a hardliner like me should wade in blazing. For any American Patriots out there; support the troops to get their job done so they can come home quickly and avoid further losses. The Chair is Against the Wall.

[New Accord]

http://www.google.com/url?url=http://video.google.com/videoplay%3Fdocid%3D-712036695027727306&rct=j&sa=X&ei=12Z5TNCZDobSsAP0wqXtCg&ved=0CFAQuAIwBg&q=red+dawn&usg=AFQjCNHF29OMAF-BjJCyfUAz623YTZvhsQ&cad=rja

Get it!

[Holy Paradise]

I have yet to find opposition to gay marriage that is not based on religious reasons, and I say that as a person who used to oppose gay marriage due to religious beliefs. That's why I now just am indifferent to the entire matter, as while my religion says marriage is between a man and a woman, I know I cannot base that secular law on that belief alone.

Oh, the life of being a devout, politically-involved Catholic.

And one with respect, which is unusal for religious people in general. Have a Helertia award for being awesome and temporarily making humanity seem like a good idea.

Yay, an award!

I do thank you for your compliment.

[The Cat-Tribe]

I have yet to find opposition to gay marriage that is not based on religious reasons, and I say that as a person who used to oppose gay marriage due to religious beliefs. That's why I now just am indifferent to the entire matter, as while my religion says marriage is between a man and a woman, I know I cannot base that secular law on that belief alone.

Oh, the life of being a devout, politically-involved Catholic.

I want to join those who praise you for being able to separate your personal opinions from the need to impose them on others.

[Ashmoria]

what happened to beck's 100 (or was it 500?) year plan for the united states? that was supposed to be announced at this big rally but all i saw was a "god wants you to be good" that seemed to be a complete waste of time.

[Wilgrove]

Martin Luther King's niece is obviously a racist.

-_-

No one's called her a racist. She is homophobic, though.

Which is ironic. The niece of a great civil rights leader is against the civil rights of homosexuals.

[Buffett and Colbert]

Martin Luther King's niece is obviously a racist.

-_-

No one's called her a racist. She is homophobic, though.

Which is ironic. The niece of a great civil rights leader is against the civil rights of homosexuals.

It makes me wonder what kind of world we live in. CIVIL RIGHTS FOR ALL!!! Except for these people...

[Zephie]

Martin Luther King's niece is obviously a racist.

-_-

No one's called her a racist. She is homophobic, though.

Which is ironic. The niece of a great civil rights leader is against the civil rights of homosexuals.

Yes! I have a dream one day homosexuals will have the right to vote, and take a sip from the straight fountain.