Kosovo Secession Declared Legal

[Daistallia 2104]

This makes secession legal this means the North owes the South Reparations for the war of aggression.
I would same soemthing on the order of 63 trillion dollars is in order payable to the confederacy over 30 years.

I'll start by replacing the old grand piano of family stories.

Yes, that's a story I learned at my Nana's knee as a wee boy. It belonged to my mother's people in Biloxi, and the DamnYankees used it as a watering trough!

[Serbian_Soviet_Union]

Um, no, Australia is not a fascist country.

I doubt if there is a single fascist state in the World, although DPRK has some fascist leanings, all in the name of socialism. Socialism has nothing to do with their fascist policies of persecution and terror.

Next thing your going to say that our new prime minister to be Tony Abbott is fascist because he disagrees in all forms of Socialism and Left Wing policies.

You did not commit a genocide as no one did on NS, but Federal Republic of Yugoslavia which Serbia is a legal successor did and it is not a matter of anybody's opinion but a fact and historical truth, claimed by Genocide International. Read the ICTY judgement in the case "Prosecutor versus

Show me evidents, proofs, sources or anything to support your argument. You continue with the same old bullshit repetitive rant like a broken record but you fail to provide anything to support your arguments and claims.

Oh, I forgot - ICTY is an anti-serbian court

Anything that is not Left Wing, Socialism or Communism is automatic considered a Fascist. That is the argument your using and it is a pretty crappy argument. You fail to mention that Nazism is associated with Socialism, National Socialism and the Fascists strongly opposes Capitalism in all form. The same old argument your trying to pull out is very crap. You lost all credibility and i am pretty sure that alot of people cannot even be bothered to respond to you and to waste their time on you. The only reason why i am still talking to you is to make sure that everybody knows that your views do not in anyway or form reflect on the Serbian population in Serbia and the Serbian diaspora views.

[Mirkana]

Good man. If Kosovo can become independent, then Arizona or Texas can become independent in the next 20-30 years when the Mexican population is high enough. The only way to prevent this type of divisive thinking is to ensure that the historical territory of a country is never splintered without the consensus of that entire nation.

So by that argument Serbia should belong to the Turks or Austrians.

No, it should all belong to a reunified Byzantine Empire, with Istanbul changed back to Constantinople.

Romans.

Tribes of Indo-Europeans. This could go on all day...

We humans have no right there at all. That land belongs to the Neanderthals.

[Sun Aut Ex]

Doesn't this create a dangerous precedent? Any region of any country without anti-secession laws can break away.

[Serbian_Soviet_Union]

Doesn't this create a dangerous precedent? Any region of any country without anti-secession laws can break away.

Exactly. Just look at South Oseatia and Abkhazia. Even the Basque in Spain are advocating seccessionism aswell as the Hungarian minority in Romania, many more regions through out the world are starting to follow suit. If we allow one part of territory with a significant minority group to secceed, than the rest will follow suit using the argument if this region can become independent why cant we declare our independence too? And so it begun, give it 5-10 years and we will see atleast 10-20 new different regions declaring indepndence and we will have alot of new unrecognised and partial recognised states.

[Risottia]

ICJ? What a joke.

Perhaps a Serbian can correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Kosovo considered the ancestral Serbian heartland or something? And aren't the squatters who declared it independent just a bunch of Albanians who flooded the area like freebooters?
What a sad state of affairs...

The International Court of Justice rules on international law, not politics or domestic law. Period.

The point is that, by UN Security Council Resolution 1244, Kosovo was declared to be part of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, which was legally succeeded by Serbia and Montenegro and then by Serbia, hence, domestic Serbian law applies. Period.

[Risottia]

Doesn't this create a dangerous precedent? Any region of any country without anti-secession laws can break away.

...provided they form a terrorist army and get the support of the NATO, yeah.

[Sun Aut Ex]

...provided they form a terrorist army and get the support of the NATO, yeah.

Pretty weak from the UN.

Two I had in mind were Bavaria and the Basque region.

[Expansionist Australia]

Fucking Muslim scum, sebrenaica was to leniant

[Forster Keys]

Fucking Muslim scum, sebrenaica was to leniant

Troll much. But coming from Mr One Nation, I'm not so sure...

[Forster Keys]

Nationalism is really irritating

So true. Nations are imaginary communities and it is a fact. Learn Esperanto and let's live in a wonderful World - World with no nations!

Nothing to kill or die for,
And no religion, too,

I don't know if nations are imaginary, but I'm looking forward to a time when all nations are forgotten, and the human race is united once more.

[Forster Keys]

Um, no, Australia is not a fascist country.

I doubt if there is a single fascist state in the World, although DPRK has some fascist leanings, all in the name of socialism. Socialism has nothing to do with their fascist policies of persecution and terror.

Next thing your going to say that our new prime minister to be Tony Abbott is fascist because he disagrees in all forms of Socialism and Left Wing policies.

You did not commit a genocide as no one did on NS, but Federal Republic of Yugoslavia which Serbia is a legal successor did and it is not a matter of anybody's opinion but a fact and historical truth, claimed by Genocide International. Read the ICTY judgement in the case "Prosecutor versus

Show me evidents, proofs, sources or anything to support your argument. You continue with the same old bullshit repetitive rant like a broken record but you fail to provide anything to support your arguments and claims.

Oh, I forgot - ICTY is an anti-serbian court

Anything that is not Left Wing, Socialism or Communism is automatic considered a Fascist. That is the argument your using and it is a pretty crappy argument. You fail to mention that Nazism is associated with Socialism, National Socialism and the Fascists strongly opposes Capitalism in all form. The same old argument your trying to pull out is very crap. You lost all credibility and i am pretty sure that alot of people cannot even be bothered to respond to you and to waste their time on you. The only reason why i am still talking to you is to make sure that everybody knows that your views do not in anyway or form reflect on the Serbian population in Serbia and the Serbian diaspora views.

Fascism is corporatism. Corporatism is not socialism.

Look it up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism

EDIT: So are both you and Krsta living in Australia?

[Forster Keys]

oshi- Krsta's gonna be mad.

Krsta is completely avoiding to have a debate with me so he is trying to make me believe that he is actually a Serb living in Serbia by using a translating software writting everything up in english and converting it in Serbian Cyrillic. Krsta is claiming Cetniks as being Fascists yet they faught against Fascists and Communist Partisans in the Kingdom of Yugoslavia 1941-1945. Basically almost his entire post is about insulting the diaspora communities and going on about Serbia committing genocide in Kosovo and that no churches, cultural and herritage sites, historical monuments and monasteries were never destroyed and that life for the Serbs in Kosovo is pretty good under the illegitimate Kosovo government.

Ah... the Chetniks... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chetniks

While initially formed as a resistance movement, they collaborated with the Axis occupation to an ever-increasing degree, eventually functioning by the end of the war as an Axis-supported militia.

Chetniks with some of their German buddies.


German General Major Friedrich Stahl stands alongside an Ustaše officer and Chetnik Commander Rade Radić in central Bosnia

Whatever the Chetniks original perhaps admirable ambitions, what they became was.... less than admirable.

[Cybach]

If we're talking about fascism and supporting it;



Most Kosovo Albanians distrusted the Partisans due to the perception that it was a largely Serbian organization and because most Muslim Albanians were anti-Communist. The SS high Command planed to create a mountain division of 10.000 men. The Higher SS and Police Command in Albania, in conduction with the Albanian National Committee, listed 11.398 possible recruits for the Waffen SS mountain division. Most of these recruits were “kossovars”, shqiptar Ghegs from Kosovo Metohija in Serbia.

The Skanderbeg Division was formed and trained in Kosovo and was made up mostly of muslim Shqiptar Kossovars. There were only a small number of Albanians from Albania proper in the division. The Skanderbeg Mountain Division of the Wafen SS was thus essentially a Kosovo or Kosmet Division.

Historian L.H. Stavrianos, in “The Balkan Since 1453″, described the genocide committed against Orthodox Serbs by the Shqiptar Skanderbeg Division in these terms: Yugoslav Albanians, organized in their fascist Skanderbeg Division, conducted an indiscriminate massacre of Serbians. The Shqiptar Kosovars in the 21st Waffen Gebirgs Division “Skanderbeg” committed war crimes and genocide against the Orthodox Serbian population of Kosovo. The Shqiptar planed and carried out crimes against humanity in Kosovo. Orthodox Serbians of Kosovo were the victims of ethnic cleansing and genocide. This genocide would contribute in the Shqiptar goal and policy to create an ethnically pure, Shqiptar Kosovo, in an attempt to create a greater Shqiperia or greater Albania.

Here is an infamous picture of a Kosovar SS about to slaughter a Serbian Orthodox priest after ransacking his Church;













So yeah. GO KOSOVO. It's 90%+ Kosovar because they allied themselves with the Nazis in WW2 and mercilessly genocided the Serbs living there. I guess we should support this kind of behavior and now grant them the State, since they now are the majority thanks to ethnic cleansing and genocide?

[Cybach]

I think this paragraph sums it up best though;

During World War II, the Axis powers dismembered and occupied Yugoslavia and created a greater Albania by annexing the Serbian region of Kosovo-Metohija by Nazi Germany, Germany formed a Shqiptar "Kosovar" Waffen SS Division, the 21st Waffen Gebirgs Division der SS "Skanderbeg" which engaged in a policy of ethnic cleansing and genocide against the Orthodox Serbian population of Kosovo. The result was that the Shqiptars, with the help of Germany, were able to virtually exterminate the Serbian and Jews populations of Kosovo, thereby creating an ethnically pure Kosovo cleaned of it's original ancestral Serb inhabitants.

[Cybach]

Another beautiful sight that filled Serbia/Kosovo during WW2. An ethnically Serbian town being burned to the ground and it's inhabitants being slaughtered by Kosovars in the name of ethnic cleansing;








I guess the right thing to do is reward the slaughters by giving them the land. You brutally genocide the original population, you get to keep it. That's the precedent we're setting. Kind of sickening tbh.

[Forster Keys]

I think this paragraph sums it up best though;

During World War II, the Axis powers dismembered and occupied Yugoslavia and created a greater Albania by annexing the Serbian region of Kosovo-Metohija by Nazi Germany, Germany formed a Shqiptar "Kosovar" Waffen SS Division, the 21st Waffen Gebirgs Division der SS "Skanderbeg" which engaged in a policy of ethnic cleansing and genocide against the Orthodox Serbian population of Kosovo. The result was that the Shqiptars, with the help of Germany, were able to virtually exterminate the Serbian and Jews populations of Kosovo, thereby creating an ethnically pure Kosovo cleaned of it's original ancestral Serb inhabitants.

There's been so much blood and death in the Balkans, instigated by pretty much every ethnic group and against almost every ethnic group. Lets just hope that the decisions made in the future minimize this as much as possible.

[Lelouche]

This makes secession legal this means the North owes the South Reparations for the war of aggression.
I would same soemthing on the order of 63 trillion dollars is in order payable to the confederacy over 30 years.

This would apply, except the south fired the first shot
If they had let the north move first, they would have a legal argument

[Buffett and Colbert]

ICJ? What a joke.

Perhaps a Serbian can correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Kosovo considered the ancestral Serbian heartland or something? And aren't the squatters who declared it independent just a bunch of Albanians who flooded the area like freebooters?
What a sad state of affairs...

The International Court of Justice rules on international law, not politics or domestic law. Period.

The point is that, by UN Security Council Resolution 1244, Kosovo was declared to be part of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, which was legally succeeded by Serbia and Montenegro and then by Serbia, hence, domestic Serbian law applies. Period.

No, UNSC Resolution 1244 will be considered by the ICJ. Not Serbian law. Why the former but not the latter? The former is INTERNATIONAL law. The INTERNATIONAL Court of Justice obviously rules on INTERNATIONAL law.

[Cybach]

To be honest this ruling is still completely irrelevant. Serbia views Kosovo as the heartland, where the entire Serbian culture, identity and people originated from. Which will cause such a headache for all eternity. Serbia will pretty much never accept this decision and probably re-invade the minute the UN soldiers leave.

I mean we all know how persistent the Jews were about their "ancestral homeland" Israel. Serbs will be the same. They will simply use the first opportunity to get it back. Furthermore it doesn't help that nations such as Russia and China pretty much state they will "never" recognize Kosovo as an independent nation.

[Lelouche]

This makes secession legal this means the North owes the South Reparations for the war of aggression.
I would same soemthing on the order of 63 trillion dollars is in order payable to the confederacy over 30 years.

After you pay the black people for their labor.

Isn't that what emancipation was ?

Nope, reparations

[Cybach]

This makes secession legal this means the North owes the South Reparations for the war of aggression.
I would same soemthing on the order of 63 trillion dollars is in order payable to the confederacy over 30 years.

After you pay the black people for their labor.

Isn't that what emancipation was ?

Nope, reparations

Are they eligible? I don't think they were US citizens at the time of slavery. Could simply be a loophole, but I could see the government using any loophole to avoid $$$$ out.

[Angleter]

Kosovo should unite with Albania if ethnicity is its basis for secession. If Serbs want to change that, then join the EU along with Kosovo/Albania and use Schengen to re-Serbise Kosovo.

[Cybach]

That won't happen. The promise of Kosovo not uniting with Albania was one of the concessions made for Serbia to surrender in the Balkan war. Kosovo joining Albania would be a cassus belli for Serbia to legally (by international law) declare war against Albania.

On the same note the same was stated of the Republic Sprska [The autonomous Serbian part of Bosnia]. It was promised it would not join Serbia.

[Greed and Death]

This makes secession legal this means the North owes the South Reparations for the war of aggression.
I would same soemthing on the order of 63 trillion dollars is in order payable to the confederacy over 30 years.

This would apply, except the south fired the first shot
If they had let the north move first, they would have a legal argument

The south fired the first shot only in enforcing a police action on southern land.
The northern Army was on southern land illegally by international law.