Kosovo Secession Declared Legal

[Galactic Sapian]

come on... now we're breaking Yugoslavia up MORE? Reunify it back into Yugoslavia or pay and suffer consequences...

Or what, you'll assassinate an Austrian archduke?

he was Austria-Hungarian...

[Andaluciae]

come on... now we're breaking Yugoslavia up MORE? Reunify it back into Yugoslavia or pay and suffer consequences...

Or what, you'll assassinate an Austrian archduke?

he was Austria-Hungarian...

That's not the point...what are the consequences that will be suffered?

[Great Rising Star]

I just can't wait to see what America if its southern states by Mexcio get a hispanic majorty and want to form their own country or join with Mexico. What a mess that will be for politicians. *graps popcorn*

[Sdaeriji]

come on... now we're breaking Yugoslavia up MORE? Reunify it back into Yugoslavia or pay and suffer consequences...

Or what, you'll assassinate an Austrian archduke?

he was Austria-Hungarian...

He was Austrian.

[Mutua]

come on... now we're breaking Yugoslavia up MORE? Reunify it back into Yugoslavia or pay and suffer consequences...

Or what, you'll assassinate an Austrian archduke?

he was Austria-Hungarian...

He was Austrian.

Indeed, he was Austrian

[Angleter]

I just can't wait to see what America if its southern states by Mexcio get a hispanic majorty and want to form their own country or join with Mexico. What a mess that will be for politicians. *graps popcorn*

Long Live the Glorious Mexican Empire!

[Risottia]

Kosovo independence? No, thanks. It is against what Serbia (then the Yugoslavian Federation) was promised in exchange for the ceasefire. If the UN cannot keep their promises and allow any terroristic group (like the UCK, defined a terrorist organization by the US among other countries) to build its own country, I'd say we're on an ugly slippery slope. Hey, why UCK can have its Kosovo, but ETA cannot have its Euskadi?

[Yootwopia]

Kosovo independence? No, thanks. It is against what Serbia (then the Yugoslavian Federation) was promised in exchange for the ceasefire. If the UN cannot keep their promises and allow any terroristic group (like the UCK, defined a terrorist organization by the US among other countries) to build its own country, I'd say we're on an ugly slippery slope. Hey, why UCK can have its Kosovo, but ETA cannot have its Euskadi?

Obviously ETA are a bunch of cads and bounders, whereas the UCK are chipper.

[The Voltania]

Kosovo is Kosovo, and sure as hell deserves to be.

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[Krsta]

Kosovo independence? No, thanks. It is against what Serbia (then the Yugoslavian Federation) was promised in exchange for the ceasefire. If the UN cannot keep their promises and allow any terroristic group (like the UCK, defined a terrorist organization by the US among other countries) to build its own country, I'd say we're on an ugly slippery slope. Hey, why UCK can have its Kosovo, but ETA cannot have its Euskadi?

United States Department of State recognized UCK as a terrorist organization. It was exactly that. However, the independence of Kosovo has nothing to do with what UCK promoted.

You maybe didn't know but every single institution and firm in the whole Kosovo has an obligation to have at least 10% of it's employees to be Serbs.

Both Serbian and Albanian are the official languages of Kosovo

Prime Minister, Hashim Thaci read the Declaration of independence on the Serbian language, too and addressed the Serbian minority on their native language. He guarantees that Government of Kosovo will protect the national and cultural heritage of Serbia and visited serbian villages numerous times to support them and express his most sincere solidarity with them.

Ramush Haradinaj is, of course, a terrorist and a criminal. Hashim Thaci (social-democrat) and Fatmir Sejdiu (liberal-conservative) are, therefore, his main opponents. The very worst of society is a guy called Albin Kurti (his organization is called "SELF-DETERMINATION!" and they always attack EULEX personnel and demolish EULEX vehicles etc just as they did with UNMIK until December 2007, when it's mandate ended).

[Yootwopia]

Kosovo is Kosovo, and sure as hell deserves to be.

Blackpool is Blackpool, doesn't deserve to be its own nation-state.

[Krsta]

True, Kosovo is... Kosovo. Stop irredentism and get a life!

[Tmutarakhan]

Kosovo is Kosovo, and sure as hell deserves to be.

Blackpool is Blackpool, doesn't deserve to be its own nation-state.

Maybe it would be considered, if Blackpool had its own language, not mutually comprehensible with English...

[Yootwopia]

Kosovo is Kosovo, and sure as hell deserves to be.

Blackpool is Blackpool, doesn't deserve to be its own nation-state.

Maybe it would be considered, if Blackpool had its own language, not mutually comprehensible with English...

Right so the Orkney Islands get to be their own country?

Don't be ridiculous.

[Lackadaisical2]

If Kosovo gets it's independence. Why exactly should the Republic Sprska also not be allowed to secede from Bosnia?

Ain't got the might.

They do. They are more powerful than Bosnia. In fact they kicked Bosnia's ass in the civil war. They possess after Serbia the most powerful regional military.

They're certainly more "mighty" than a piss state like Kosovo.

Apparently not, or else they would have gotten their independence. Military is hardly the only measure of power.

[New Wallonochia]

Blackpool is Blackpool, doesn't deserve to be its own nation-state.

What exactly does a group have to do to "deserve" to be a nation-state?

[Yootwopia]

Blackpool is Blackpool, doesn't deserve to be its own nation-state.

What exactly does a group have to do to "deserve" to be a nation-state?

It has to have its own pre-existing apparatus of the state and tradition of being seperate. Neither is really the case with Kosovo.

[Serbian_Soviet_Union]

United States Department of State recognized UCK as a terrorist organization. It was exactly that. However, the independence of Kosovo has nothing to do with what UCK promoted.

The same very United States Department of State under the Clinton's administration that removed UCK/KLA as a terrorist organisation even though the UCK/KLA were in constant communication with the Al-Quada, primarily Osama Bin Laden and the UCK/KLA continued to terrorise Serbian villages, kidnapping civilians, killing civilians and removing all of their organs and selling their organs in the black market. The same very group that has been constantly doing hit and run attacks on the Serbian Police and the Yugoslav Army. The same very group thats been shooting at civilians killing even kids, they shot at everything and anything that moved from within their sight.

They have been terrorising the Serbian population and forcing them to leave Kosovo and threatening that if they did not leave that they would be killed. UCK persecutted all Non Albanians and including Serbians in the territory of the Serbian Southern Province of Kosovo. The USDS under Clinton's administration aided the UCK/KLA in their aim of eliminating all the Serbians and Non Albanians from Kosovo in creating an ethnically pure Kosovo.

You maybe didn't know but every single institution and firm in the whole Kosovo has an obligation to have at least 10% of it's employees to be Serbs.

Many Serbs have been fired, and alot of them have resigned from the Kosovo institutions because they do not recognise Kosovo as a legitimate state primarily the reason is because Kosovo is not a state and Kosovo does not have a legitimate government, alot of Kosovo's state officials are EX-KLA/UCK and majority of the KPS are ex-KLA's.

Both Serbian and Albanian are the official languages of Kosovo

Having it written on the paper is one thing, but enforcing this is another, many Serbs and Non Albanians fear speaking in Serbian because of being persecutted on the spot.

Prime Minister, Hashim Thaci read the Declaration of independence on the Serbian language, too and addressed the Serbian minority on their native language. He guarantees that Government of Kosovo will protect the national and cultural heritage of Serbia and visited serbian villages numerous times to support them and express his most sincere solidarity with them.

Then explain why many countless of Churches, Monasteries, Monuments and Cultural Heritage Sites of Serbia in Kosovo have been damaged, destroyed and even today there are countless of vandalisms that occure in Kosovo on a daily basis. Why hasn't this government pay any compensations, repairations or began rebuilding these sites?

Also why hasn't the Kosovo govenrment did anything to protect and safeguard the Non Albanian population and the Serbian population in Kosovo?? Even today they are not allowed to leave their home from within a 100 meters without being harassed, threatened, bashed, stabbed, hospitalised, kidnapped, raped and even killed?? Why even today they have to be escorted by the KFOR Personnels if they want to goto a supermarket or for the kids to goto school??

The Non Albanian population has no rights, the human rights in Kosovo is very poor and even today there are atleast more then a 1,000 violents against Non Albanians happening on a daily basis and what has the Kosovo government or it's police did to counter this??

Ramush Haradinaj is, of course, a terrorist and a criminal. Hashim Thaci (social-democrat) and Fatmir Sejdiu (liberal-conservative) are, therefore, his main opponents. The very worst of society is a guy called Albin Kurti (his organization is called "SELF-DETERMINATION!" and they always attack EULEX personnel and demolish EULEX vehicles etc just as they did with UNMIK until December 2007, when it's mandate ended).

You forgot to mention that Ramush Haradinaj is also a terrorist, the leader of the UCK/KLA and the founder of that very same terrorist organisation. This man has alot of blood on his hands and majority of the Kosovo governments, the KSF and the KPS are ex-KLA members, these very same people that terrorised civilians, they even terrorised the Albanian population because they were loyalled to the Serbian and Yugoslav government. They even massacred their own people and then going on the media and saying that the Yugoslav Army and the Serbian police did this. They even claimed KLA casualties as civilian casualties inflicted by the Serbian Police and the Yugoslav Army.

Kosovo is the hub of European Organised crimes and a mafia state. Kosovo is completely overrun and the entire government are criminals, ex KLA members, terrorists and mafias running the state.

You claim to be a Serb Krsta but i don't believe that you are a Serb, you are either a troll or an Albanian pretending to be a Serb and writting up all this crap about Serbia committing genocide in Kosovo and how hundreds of thousands of Albanians and how a million Albanians were killed and gone missing in Kosovo and through out the war.


The Albanians were brought in by the Ottoman Empire as slaves and through out the 1920's is when the Albanians began to increase in numbers, after WW2, the Albanians were allowed to emmigrate from Albania into Yugoslavia to escape Hoxhas regime, the Albanians were given homes, their own school's, hospitals, citizenships, the Yugoslav went as far as giving them total autonomy within SR.Serbia, within SFRJ and 45 years later, Albanians are claiming Kosovo to be Albanian and demanding to seperate from Serbia when majority of the Albanians in Kosovo came to Yugoslavia, Primarily in Serbian Province of Kosovo post 1949 and in 1945 in large numbers and also in the territory of FYROM.

It is like going into someone elses house and claiming that house to be yours after. It doesn't work like that and i believe there is going to come a time when Serbia will have no choice but to goto war and eliminate all the criminals running the Kosovo government and it's institutions and cleansing Kosovo from it's occupators.

Krsta, you also have a problem, you seem to chuck a tantrum at everyone who seems to disagree with you and you end up insulting them. If you are going to start a argument and a debate than have a constructive argument, debate it and do some research, post your sources in order to back up your argumet and have something to fall back on instead of getting angry, chucking a tantrun and insulting people that disagree with you.

[Serbian_Soviet_Union]

I read through this thread and all of Krsta's post, i just want to let everyone know that Krsta's opinions and views does not reflect on the views of the Serbian population or the government and the people at all. Krsta is definently not a Serbian but a troll, Krsta is just trolling inorder to take the piss out of everysingle Serbian that's on Nation States. Krsta doesn't live in Serbia or even Beograd, Krsta is either a troll or an Albanian pretending to be a Serb inorder to get an reaction out of Serbs and have a good laugh at us. Nothing more, so please nobody take his post serious as his views do not reflect on the views of the Serbian population in Serbia and the Serbian people views world wide in the diaspora.

Thank you.

[Brogavia]

Good man. If Kosovo can become independent, then Arizona or Texas can become independent in the next 20-30 years when the Mexican population is high enough. The only way to prevent this type of divisive thinking is to ensure that the historical territory of a country is never splintered without the consensus of that entire nation.

So by that argument Serbia should belong to the Turks or Austrians.

[Ceannairceach]

Good man. If Kosovo can become independent, then Arizona or Texas can become independent in the next 20-30 years when the Mexican population is high enough. The only way to prevent this type of divisive thinking is to ensure that the historical territory of a country is never splintered without the consensus of that entire nation.

So by that argument Serbia should belong to the Turks or Austrians.

No, it should all belong to a reunified Byzantine Empire, with Istanbul changed back to Constantinople.

[Brogavia]

Good man. If Kosovo can become independent, then Arizona or Texas can become independent in the next 20-30 years when the Mexican population is high enough. The only way to prevent this type of divisive thinking is to ensure that the historical territory of a country is never splintered without the consensus of that entire nation.

So by that argument Serbia should belong to the Turks or Austrians.

No, it should all belong to a reunified Byzantine Empire, with Istanbul changed back to Constantinople.

Romans.

[Ceannairceach]

Good man. If Kosovo can become independent, then Arizona or Texas can become independent in the next 20-30 years when the Mexican population is high enough. The only way to prevent this type of divisive thinking is to ensure that the historical territory of a country is never splintered without the consensus of that entire nation.

So by that argument Serbia should belong to the Turks or Austrians.

No, it should all belong to a reunified Byzantine Empire, with Istanbul changed back to Constantinople.

Romans.

Tribes of Indo-Europeans. This could go on all day...

[Krsta]

@FSSU - Not a single church or monastery has been demolished since 17th of February, 2008. That is a fact. Genocide International classifies the operation "Horseshoe" as genocide as it killed more then 11 000 civilians in less then six months... Podujevo, Suva Reka... Facts are the facts... recognize the facts and get a life

[Krsta]

I read through this thread and all of Krsta's post, i just want to let everyone know that Krsta's opinions and views does not reflect on the views of the Serbian population or the government and the people at all. Krsta is definently not a Serbian but a troll, Krsta is just trolling inorder to take the piss out of everysingle Serbian that's on Nation States. Krsta doesn't live in Serbia or even Beograd, Krsta is either a troll or an Albanian pretending to be a Serb inorder to get an reaction out of Serbs and have a good laugh at us. Nothing more, so please nobody take his post serious as his views do not reflect on the views of the Serbian population in Serbia and the Serbian people views world wide in the diaspora.

Thank you.

Поздрав, пријатељу, да ли је стварно толико тешко признати истину и чињенице, и схватити да постоји Србин који своју земљу воли искрено, и није лицемер. Нисте ви, неочетничка багра, нити ћете икада бити антифашисти или патриоти. Никада! Једини прави антифашистички покрет био је партизански, једина права победа била је 9. маја. Тада је победило човечанство. А 22. јула - 22. јула је победила правда, односно, тада је уствари само потврђена. Правда је победила 17. фебруара. Да је било злочина над Србима - било их је. Међутим, поента суочавања са прошлошћу јесте осуда сопствених злочина и признавање чињеница - чињенице су некада болне, уствари врло често, али чињенице остају чињенице, и истина је само једна. Упамти то. Упамти и да Равна Гора антифашистичка никада неће бити, а ти из Аустралије Србију и Косово брани колико хоћеш, ви из дијаспоре сте најгори. Где сте ви били 25. јуна, где сте били 5. априла, где сте били 7. јануара и где сте били 11. јула? Где сте били 24. марта, где сте били 5. октобра? Поновићу још једном - чињенице су чињенице, а препоручујем ти да прочиташ извештај међународне комисије о Балканским ратовима, па да видиш како је Србија "ослободила" Косово. Подсетићу те да је руски делегат такође гласао за такав извештај. То је први пут да се спомиње да је нека држава починила геноцид - Димитрије Туцовић је написао "Покушали смо да починимо убиство из предумишљаја једне нације." Лемкин је реч "геноцид" сковао тек касније, 1945. године. Али геноцид је увек постојао, и на овим просторима се одиграо прво 1912-1913, затим 1992-1995 и онда 1998-1999. И хтео ти то да признаш или не, са свим манама које је она имала (непрецизно бомбардовање које је погодило и цивилне објекте итд), НАТО интервенција је спречила да дође до оног правог геноцида - до злочина који би етнички очистио Косово. Истина је само једна, а истина је увек била на нашој страни - на страни хуманиста и интелектуалаца, људи којима су правда, слобода, једнакост и сви ти основни принципи грађанског и отвореног друштва увек били најсветији. Схватићеш ти то једног дана. До тада - преиспитај чињенице.

I wrote nothing insulting.