Kosovo Secession Declared Legal

[Sdaeriji]

P.P.S Anyone else think it's amusing that the Albanians are probably the only US-backed muslims in history?

I think it's amusing that you think that, sure. Well, maybe not amusing. More like hilariously tragic, like a clown dying.

[Ceannairceach]

P.P.S Anyone else think it's amusing that the Albanians are probably the only US-backed muslims in history?

I think it's amusing that you think that, sure. Well, maybe not amusing. More like hilariously tragic, like a clown dying.

Eh, cut him a bit of slack. He's not American, so he doesn't know all about our support ventures.

[Sdaeriji]

If Kosovo gets it's independence. Why exactly should the Republic Sprska also not be allowed to secede from Bosnia?

Ain't got the might.

They do. They are more powerful than Bosnia. In fact they kicked Bosnia's ass in the civil war. They possess after Serbia the most powerful regional military.

They're certainly more "mighty" than a piss state like Kosovo.

Isn't the Republic Sprska de facto independent anyway? They've got so much autonomy within Bosnia that they might as well be an independent nation.

[Kazerne]

Well, from what I understand, Kosovo's population is primarily Albanian in ethnicity, but I remember seeing something in a newspaper article a while back that stated that they were all Serbian citizens. As such, this puts them in a bit of a quandry. There are relatively few ethnic Serbs in the city, so any move to secede from Serbia would go off without a hitch, assuming it was along ethnic voting lines.

Now, do they have a right to do so? Perhaps. I haven't really been paying attention to the Balkans lately (Primarily the Middle East and Asia is my focus), so I don't know if there was an attempt to publish or move to correct a list of grievances from Kosovo to the Serbian government. As a matter of fact, I don't righly know why they seceded in the first place.

I suppose that it will be up to heads far wiser and older than ours to determine whether Kosovo can secede or not. Then again, with the way UN politics works, I don't think that liberty will be very well represented.

[Militsia]

If Kosovo gets it's independence. Why exactly should the Republic Sprska also not be allowed to secede from Bosnia?

Ain't got the might.

They do. They are more powerful than Bosnia. In fact they kicked Bosnia's ass in the civil war. They possess after Serbia the most powerful regional military.

They're certainly more "mighty" than a piss state like Kosovo.

Isn't the Republic Sprska de facto independent anyway? They've got so much autonomy within Bosnia that they might as well be an independent nation.

I can not for the lov of God understand why the rest of Bosnia would want them within the boarders, it is better to just let them declare independence.

[Cybach]

If Kosovo gets it's independence. Why exactly should the Republic Sprska also not be allowed to secede from Bosnia?

Ain't got the might.

They do. They are more powerful than Bosnia. In fact they kicked Bosnia's ass in the civil war. They possess after Serbia the most powerful regional military.

They're certainly more "mighty" than a piss state like Kosovo.

Isn't the Republic Sprska de facto independent anyway? They've got so much autonomy within Bosnia that they might as well be an independent nation.

It is. It's independent in almost everything but name.

Bosnia couldn't do shit, because the Republic Sprska would crush it, would Bosnia try to assert itself on the region militarily.

[Sdaeriji]

If Kosovo gets it's independence. Why exactly should the Republic Sprska also not be allowed to secede from Bosnia?

Ain't got the might.

They do. They are more powerful than Bosnia. In fact they kicked Bosnia's ass in the civil war. They possess after Serbia the most powerful regional military.

They're certainly more "mighty" than a piss state like Kosovo.

Isn't the Republic Sprska de facto independent anyway? They've got so much autonomy within Bosnia that they might as well be an independent nation.

I can not for the lov of God understand why the rest of Bosnia would want them within the boarders, it is better to just let them declare independence.

Why did Yugoslavia fight tooth and nail to keep Croatia and Bosnia within their borders (and Slovenia to a much lesser extent)? Integrity.

[Lietvos]

P.P.S Anyone else think it's amusing that the Albanians are probably the only US-backed muslims in history?

I think it's amusing that you think that, sure. Well, maybe not amusing. More like hilariously tragic, like a clown dying.

Yeah I failed there. The rest of my post was full of win though so I don't mind.

[SD_Film Artists]

Kosovo is Serbia; the sheer idea of an independent Kosovo is insulting.

Again, I agree with this.

Good man. If Kosovo can become independent, then Arizona or Texas can become independent in the next 20-30 years when the Mexican population is high enough. The only way to prevent this type of divisive thinking is to ensure that the historical territory of a country is never splintered without the consensus of that entire nation.

If Texas or Arizona fight a war and win, or get enough allies to come and "white knight" for them, then they deserve to be independent. It IS the gold standard for becoming an independent state.

So you would be perfectly fine with your country being split apart, piece by piece? If Kosovo fought a war on its own and won against Serbia, then their claim to independence would hold at least some validity, but they didn't. The US, playing the role of the globe-striding imperialist (so frequently criticized by the left) intervened and forced Serbia to back down.

Yup. Just like the Kingdom of France intervened when the 13 colonies rebelled against Great Britain back in 1776.
If a people, group, or geographical area have the will, the wherewithal and the guts to fight for their freedom as an independent state, and either the military force or the political and diplomatic acumen to pull it off, then they've earned the right to be independent. And I am not a hypocrite - if some part of the US ever manages the same trick, then let it stand.

You make a good argument, but its thoughts like that which make me want to destroy the UN, EU, NATO, etc.
really, all Kosovo is is a state that owes NATO and primarily the USA their lives and freedom. A puppet in the Balkans, so to speak.

Isn't Serbia a puppet of Russia?

[Ceannairceach]

Kosovo is Serbia; the sheer idea of an independent Kosovo is insulting.

Again, I agree with this.

Good man. If Kosovo can become independent, then Arizona or Texas can become independent in the next 20-30 years when the Mexican population is high enough. The only way to prevent this type of divisive thinking is to ensure that the historical territory of a country is never splintered without the consensus of that entire nation.

If Texas or Arizona fight a war and win, or get enough allies to come and "white knight" for them, then they deserve to be independent. It IS the gold standard for becoming an independent state.

So you would be perfectly fine with your country being split apart, piece by piece? If Kosovo fought a war on its own and won against Serbia, then their claim to independence would hold at least some validity, but they didn't. The US, playing the role of the globe-striding imperialist (so frequently criticized by the left) intervened and forced Serbia to back down.

Yup. Just like the Kingdom of France intervened when the 13 colonies rebelled against Great Britain back in 1776.
If a people, group, or geographical area have the will, the wherewithal and the guts to fight for their freedom as an independent state, and either the military force or the political and diplomatic acumen to pull it off, then they've earned the right to be independent. And I am not a hypocrite - if some part of the US ever manages the same trick, then let it stand.

You make a good argument, but its thoughts like that which make me want to destroy the UN, EU, NATO, etc.
really, all Kosovo is is a state that owes NATO and primarily the USA their lives and freedom. A puppet in the Balkans, so to speak.

Isn't Serbia a puppet of Russia?

Its iffy. Some would say that their relationship ended with the fall of the Soviet Union, others claim before that with Tito, others say its still going strong, others say its more like racial protection.

[Kalibarr]

If a majority want to secede then they can secede. A Majority wanted to secede.

Just like you let the Southern States secede?

Kosovo is Serbia; the sheer idea of an independent Kosovo is insulting.

Again, I agree with this.

Good man. If Kosovo can become independent, then Arizona or Texas can become independent in the next 20-30 years when the Mexican population is high enough. The only way to prevent this type of divisive thinking is to ensure that the historical territory of a country is never splintered without the consensus of that entire nation.

I didn't I wasn't alive then.

I stand by what I said, if a majority want to secede they should be able to. Even if they are the southern states.

[Sdaeriji]

Kosovo is Serbia; the sheer idea of an independent Kosovo is insulting.

Again, I agree with this.

Good man. If Kosovo can become independent, then Arizona or Texas can become independent in the next 20-30 years when the Mexican population is high enough. The only way to prevent this type of divisive thinking is to ensure that the historical territory of a country is never splintered without the consensus of that entire nation.

If Texas or Arizona fight a war and win, or get enough allies to come and "white knight" for them, then they deserve to be independent. It IS the gold standard for becoming an independent state.

So you would be perfectly fine with your country being split apart, piece by piece? If Kosovo fought a war on its own and won against Serbia, then their claim to independence would hold at least some validity, but they didn't. The US, playing the role of the globe-striding imperialist (so frequently criticized by the left) intervened and forced Serbia to back down.

Yup. Just like the Kingdom of France intervened when the 13 colonies rebelled against Great Britain back in 1776.
If a people, group, or geographical area have the will, the wherewithal and the guts to fight for their freedom as an independent state, and either the military force or the political and diplomatic acumen to pull it off, then they've earned the right to be independent. And I am not a hypocrite - if some part of the US ever manages the same trick, then let it stand.

You make a good argument, but its thoughts like that which make me want to destroy the UN, EU, NATO, etc.
really, all Kosovo is is a state that owes NATO and primarily the USA their lives and freedom. A puppet in the Balkans, so to speak.

Isn't Serbia a puppet of Russia?

Russia has always seen itself as the defender of the Slavs. Russia and Yugoslavia had a bit of a falling out during the Cold War when Tito was running the show, but Russia and Serbia gotten closer again since the dissolution of Yugoslavia.

[Yootwopia]

So, what is your opinion on this issue of high importance not just for the Balkans, but for rest of Europe and even the whole World.

I can't believe it was allowed to go ahead by the UN. Really oughtn't to have been, and the support given from countries that really should've known better (esp. the UK) has complicated the issue significantly.

[Yootwopia]

Isn't Serbia a puppet of Russia?

It ebbs and flows. Currently the population is looking west rather than east.

[Charlotte Ryberg]

In my opinion Kosovo should be independent: I feel that self-determination would put more value and pride into the country after what they've gone through, and I don't think it should be prevented.

[Yootwopia]

In my opinion Kosovo should be independent: I feel that self-determination would put more value and pride into the country after what they've gone through, and I don't think it should be prevented.

Yeah pride is lovely but supporting a bunch of ex-terrorists who are liable ship off the military aid they're bound to get to Albania (and thus to the Italian mafia) is not so hot.

[Andaluciae]

Meh--the past fifteen years have been pretty rough in the region. Mix in the fact that Yugoslavia was an artificial country that fell completely apart, I'm not hugely bothered by the Kosovo situation. It's large enough to be independently viable, it has a clear national identity and it really doesn't feel appropriate to reintegrate it into Serbia after the nineties. That is all.

[Andaluciae]

If Kosovo gets it's independence. Why exactly should the Republic Sprska also not be allowed to secede from Bosnia?

Ain't got the might.

They do. They are more powerful than Bosnia. In fact they kicked Bosnia's ass in the civil war. They possess after Serbia the most powerful regional military.

They're certainly more "mighty" than a piss state like Kosovo.

Isn't the Republic Sprska de facto independent anyway? They've got so much autonomy within Bosnia that they might as well be an independent nation.

And they probably should be. Part of what's held them back, though, is the former affiliation with Karadzic, who was a detestable enough character for his inexplicable hair-dos, let alone Srebrenica and the Siege. Some of his grodiness rubbed off an Srpska, making their campaign for international recognition harder--and, and the excessive quantities of consecutive consonants in their name weirds out the Anglophones.

[Galactic Sapian]

come on... now we're breaking Yugoslavia up MORE? Reunify it back into Yugoslavia or pay and suffer consequences...

[Andaluciae]

come on... now we're breaking Yugoslavia up MORE? Reunify it back into Yugoslavia or pay and suffer consequences...

Huh?

[Mirkana]

come on... now we're breaking Yugoslavia up MORE? Reunify it back into Yugoslavia or pay and suffer consequences...

Yugoslavia should never have existed.

[Sdaeriji]

If Kosovo gets it's independence. Why exactly should the Republic Sprska also not be allowed to secede from Bosnia?

Ain't got the might.

They do. They are more powerful than Bosnia. In fact they kicked Bosnia's ass in the civil war. They possess after Serbia the most powerful regional military.

They're certainly more "mighty" than a piss state like Kosovo.

Isn't the Republic Sprska de facto independent anyway? They've got so much autonomy within Bosnia that they might as well be an independent nation.

And they probably should be. Part of what's held them back, though, is the former affiliation with Karadzic, who was a detestable enough character for his inexplicable hair-dos, let alone Srebrenica and the Siege. Some of his grodiness rubbed off an Srpska, making their campaign for international recognition harder--and, and the excessive quantities of consecutive consonants in their name weirds out the Anglophones.

What's wrong with his hair?

[Sdaeriji]

come on... now we're breaking Yugoslavia up MORE? Reunify it back into Yugoslavia or pay and suffer consequences...

Or what, you'll assassinate an Austrian archduke?

[Andaluciae]

If Kosovo gets it's independence. Why exactly should the Republic Sprska also not be allowed to secede from Bosnia?

Ain't got the might.

They do. They are more powerful than Bosnia. In fact they kicked Bosnia's ass in the civil war. They possess after Serbia the most powerful regional military.

They're certainly more "mighty" than a piss state like Kosovo.

Isn't the Republic Sprska de facto independent anyway? They've got so much autonomy within Bosnia that they might as well be an independent nation.

And they probably should be. Part of what's held them back, though, is the former affiliation with Karadzic, who was a detestable enough character for his inexplicable hair-dos, let alone Srebrenica and the Siege. Some of his grodiness rubbed off an Srpska, making their campaign for international recognition harder--and, and the excessive quantities of consecutive consonants in their name weirds out the Anglophones.

What's wrong with his hair?

That may actually not be hair--it looks more like the back of his skull bonded with a Wolverine...

[Volnotov]

Kosovo is Serbia!!! Or so my Serbian comrades tell me.

Ofcourse Kossovo is Serbia.

That is exactly why Serbian ultranationalist militias slaughtered the muslim Albanian population of Kossovo during the Yugoslav wars.