Kosovo Secession Declared Legal

[Angleter]

Great. Just what we need. Another divided ethnic group. First Moldova, then Macedonia, and now Kosovo. Wonderful.

divided ethnic group? arent most countries divided by ethnic group?

Yes, but Kosovo isn't. It's an Albania outside Albania, same for the Romanians of Moldova and Bulgarians of Macedonia. I can't wait for them to start the institutional revisionism in Kosovar schools to try and create a separate, false identity.

[Neu Mitanni]

Just goes to show, national boundaries are inviolable, unless a gang of Moslems manages to overrun and seize control of a portion of a sovereign nation. That's diffo! So go ahead and recognize that succession! Even if it means stripping a sovereign nation of its historic birthplace. Damn well can't expect Moslems to have to live under a non-Moslem regime, now can we?

[Tungookska]

Just goes to show, national boundaries are inviolable, unless a gang of Moslems manages to overrun and seize control of a portion of a sovereign nation. That's diffo! So go ahead and recognize that succession! Even if it means stripping a sovereign nation of its historic birthplace. Damn well can't expect Moslems to have to live under a non-Moslem regime, now can we?

no that would be racist

[Katganistan]

So, on 9th of September UN General Assembly will gather to discuss the Kosovo issue and the ICJ advisory opinion on Kosovo (NS thread here).

This will be a major thread on Kosovo from now. Don't open any new threads if not necessary (example: escalation of armed conflict between Serbia and Kosovo).

So, what is your opinion on this issue of high importance not just for the Balkans, but for rest of Europe and even the whole World.

(Making fun of the thread, spamming, trolling and flooding will result in me requesting a temporary ban of the user from the forums from a moderator)

[Aryan Republics of Ame]

Kosovo is Serbia!!! Or so my Serbian comrades tell me.

[Panzerjaeger]

I still stand by Operation: Clean Slate. That or make Serbia pay WWI reparations to the Central Powers...I still think them being Albanian Sex slaves is an amazing proposal

Also nice use of Mods as Weapons in the OP. Classy.

[Click and Stand]

If the people living in the region want to secede, they should be able to do so. Blah blah blah, Self Determination, etc.

[Ceannairceach]

I wholeheartedly support Serbia in the matter. Kosovo is Serbian land, and should still be. Though, one must also know that I also thing Bosnia, Croatia, Montenegro and Macedonia also should be Serbian.

If the people living in the region want to secede, they should be able to do so. Blah blah blah, Self Determination, etc.

Except that the land belongs to Serbia, and the people are Albanian(though their are Serbs their). I'm all for their independence, but they can have it somewhere that is not Serbian.

[Krsta]

I still stand by Operation: Clean Slate. That or make Serbia pay WWI reparations to the Central Powers...I still think them being Albanian Sex slaves is an amazing proposal.

Nah, too faggot-peaceful-hippie shit. What about bringing democracy there?

[Panzerjaeger]

I still stand by Operation: Clean Slate. That or make Serbia pay WWI reparations to the Central Powers...I still think them being Albanian Sex slaves is an amazing proposal.

Nah, too faggot-peaceful-hippie shit. What about bringing democracy there?

Democracy in the Balkans? Heh I will believe that when I see it. Even then I wouldn't wish that trainwreck on them in the first place even if they are Serbs.

[Krsta]

I wholeheartedly support Serbia in the matter. Kosovo is Serbian land, and should still be. Though, one must also know that I also thing Bosnia, Croatia, Montenegro and Macedonia also should be Serbian.

Well, there is a little problem, here, bro - an absolute majority of Kosovo's population decline to live inside the Serbian borders.

Who cares, if we can commit another genocide on that inferior-race scum as we did in 1912 and 1998/1999. /end sarcasm/ Guys, do you seriously believe you can keep Kosovo after 17 February, 69 diplomatic recognitions (the number is growing) and 22 July? Lulz

[Krsta]

I still stand by Operation: Clean Slate. That or make Serbia pay WWI reparations to the Central Powers...I still think them being Albanian Sex slaves is an amazing proposal.

Nah, too faggot-peaceful-hippie shit. What about bringing democracy there?

Democracy in the Balkans? Heh I will believe that when I see it. Even then I wouldn't wish that trainwreck on them in the first place even if they are Serbs.

In fact, I live in Serbia. Which doesn't mean I am a Serb (in fact, my whole family identifies as "Serbian", however I consider nations "imagined communities" and I am liberal-socialist-democratic-anarchist-communist-antifascist-egalitarian etc guy who opposes all that nationalist shit). I support Kosovo's independence and I feel "Declaration of independence", adopted by the Kosovo's parliament with 109 votes FOR and with no opposition, on 17th of February, 2008, at 03:49 pm, is justice to the victims of the genocide in 1912/1913 and 1998/1999.

At last, Genocide International treats the events of 1998/1999 as the crime of genocide. And when it comes to Balkan wars, read the "Report of the International Commission to Inquire into the Causes and Conduct of the Balkan Wars." Russia was one of it's authors

A detail from it:

"Houses and whole villages reduced to ashes, unarmed and innocent populations massacred en masse, incredible acts of violence, pillage and brutality of every kind — such were the means which were employed and are still being employed by the Serbo-Montenegrin soldiery, with a view to the entire transformation of the ethnic character of regions inhabited exclusively by Albanians."

And read the book "Serbia and Albania" by Serbian social democrat Dimitrije Tucović who saw all that shits by his eyes. Raphael Lemkin coined a term "genocide" in 1945, however in three decades earlier Tucović writes:

"We have carried out the attempted premeditated murder of an entire nation. We were caught in that criminal act and have been obstructed. Now we have to suffer the punishment.... In the Balkan Wars, Serbia not only doubled its territory, but also its external enemies."

[Dimzul]

Freedom for Kosovo!

[Scarsaw]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smlrSYiYd_o

Enough said.

[Avenio]

I still stand by Operation: Clean Slate. That or make Serbia pay WWI reparations to the Central Powers...I still think them being Albanian Sex slaves is an amazing proposal

Also nice use of Mods as Weapons in the OP. Classy.

I'm ready when you are. I've got three main points ready to dazzle the assembled delegates and convince them of the Panzerjäger Maneuver; (I added the German ae sound because umlauts make everything better.)

1.) Diplomatic convenience. Instead of spending millions of dollars worth of aid money and idealistic young diplomats wading into 700-year-old blood feuds begat between peasants fighting over a few square kilometres of muddy farms, nuking the entirety of the western Balkans will instantly erase all traces of said ancient feuds, wiping the slate clean for everyone. Besides, everyone knows diplomacy is much easier when you have enough weapons to turn the entirety of Europe to slag behind your every word.

2.) Economic growth and ease of maintaining proper borders. Now that the Balkans' borders have been given a clean slate, we can easily create nice borders that will make everyone happy. For example, the Serbians can get everything north of the Belgrade Obsidian Mounds (There would be enough fused steel to fuel a thriving salvage industry for decades, as an added bonus), the Kosovans can have everything south of the Shattered Vale, the Albanians can have the entirety of the Greenglass Valley (Excellent farmland, once we start trucking in topsoil from poor farmers in Africa) up 'till the Meadow of the Three-Headed Muskrats, and so on.

3.) Nuclear disarmament and worldwide peace. Once we carpet nuke every insurgent population and troubled spot that we can think of, (What better way to keep out them dern Mexicans than by turning a hundred-kilometre wide area around the border into a radioactive hellscape?) we'll have cowed every nation that dare oppose us into submission through sheer nuclear fallout, and, to appease those pinko hippies, we'll have completely used up all of our nuclear weapons and disarmed completely. It's a win-win situation! Well, unless you're a cowherd in India downwind from the smoking crater that was Pakistan/Afghanistan that keeps finding glow-in-the-dark cattle in his field, but who cares about them.

[Panzerjaeger]

I still stand by Operation: Clean Slate. That or make Serbia pay WWI reparations to the Central Powers...I still think them being Albanian Sex slaves is an amazing proposal

Also nice use of Mods as Weapons in the OP. Classy.

I'm ready when you are. I've got three main points ready to dazzle the assembled delegates and convince them of the Panzerjäger Maneuver; (I added the German ae sound because umlauts make everything better.)

1.) Diplomatic convenience. Instead of spending millions of dollars worth of aid money and idealistic young diplomats wading into 700-year-old blood feuds begat between peasants fighting over a few square kilometres of muddy farms, nuking the entirety of the western Balkans will instantly erase all traces of said ancient feuds, wiping the slate clean for everyone. Besides, everyone knows diplomacy is much easier when you have enough weapons to turn the entirety of Europe to slag behind your every word.

2.) Economic growth and ease of maintaining proper borders. Now that the Balkans' borders have been given a clean slate, we can easily create nice borders that will make everyone happy. For example, the Serbians can get everything north of the Belgrade Obsidian Mounds (There would be enough fused steel to fuel a thriving salvage industry for decades, as an added bonus), the Kosovans can have everything south of the Shattered Vale, the Albanians can have the entirety of the Greenglass Valley (Excellent farmland, once we start trucking in topsoil from poor farmers in Africa) up 'till the Meadow of the Three-Headed Muskrats, and so on.

3.) Nuclear disarmament and worldwide peace. Once we carpet nuke every insurgent population and troubled spot that we can think of, (What better way to keep out them dern Mexicans than by turning a hundred-kilometre wide area around the border into a radioactive hellscape?) we'll have cowed every nation that dare oppose us into submission through sheer nuclear fallout, and, to appease those pinko hippies, we'll have completely used up all of our nuclear weapons and disarmed completely. It's a win-win situation! Well, unless you're a cowherd in India downwind from the smoking crater that was Pakistan/Afghanistan that keeps finding glow-in-the-dark cattle in his field, but who cares about them.

My God you brought a tear to my eye. We must take this to the UN they deserve to hear my message of peace.

[Mirkana]

I support Kosovo as an independent nation, due to right of self-determination.

[Yenke-Bin]

I foresee Kosovo becoming a failed (or at least very close to it) state within a few years, should they get independence. Serbia has long been their lifeline, and now you suck that dry. Not to mention the 10% of the country which are ethnic Serbs would likely face discrimination(as happened with the KLA after the Dayton accords). And also Kosovo is important to Serbia's culture and history. For these reasons, I cannot support this.

[Avenio]

I still stand by Operation: Clean Slate. That or make Serbia pay WWI reparations to the Central Powers...I still think them being Albanian Sex slaves is an amazing proposal

Also nice use of Mods as Weapons in the OP. Classy.

I'm ready when you are. I've got three main points ready to dazzle the assembled delegates and convince them of the Panzerjäger Maneuver; (I added the German ae sound because umlauts make everything better.)

1.) Diplomatic convenience. Instead of spending millions of dollars worth of aid money and idealistic young diplomats wading into 700-year-old blood feuds begat between peasants fighting over a few square kilometres of muddy farms, nuking the entirety of the western Balkans will instantly erase all traces of said ancient feuds, wiping the slate clean for everyone. Besides, everyone knows diplomacy is much easier when you have enough weapons to turn the entirety of Europe to slag behind your every word.

2.) Economic growth and ease of maintaining proper borders. Now that the Balkans' borders have been given a clean slate, we can easily create nice borders that will make everyone happy. For example, the Serbians can get everything north of the Belgrade Obsidian Mounds (There would be enough fused steel to fuel a thriving salvage industry for decades, as an added bonus), the Kosovans can have everything south of the Shattered Vale, the Albanians can have the entirety of the Greenglass Valley (Excellent farmland, once we start trucking in topsoil from poor farmers in Africa) up 'till the Meadow of the Three-Headed Muskrats, and so on.

3.) Nuclear disarmament and worldwide peace. Once we carpet nuke every insurgent population and troubled spot that we can think of, (What better way to keep out them dern Mexicans than by turning a hundred-kilometre wide area around the border into a radioactive hellscape?) we'll have cowed every nation that dare oppose us into submission through sheer nuclear fallout, and, to appease those pinko hippies, we'll have completely used up all of our nuclear weapons and disarmed completely. It's a win-win situation! Well, unless you're a cowherd in India downwind from the smoking crater that was Pakistan/Afghanistan that keeps finding glow-in-the-dark cattle in his field, but who cares about them.

My God you brought a tear to my eye. We must take this to the UN they deserve to hear my message of peace.

Indeed. The entirety of the UN will applaud your humane and compassionate plan for peace. In fact, I can see the Nobel Peace Prize now; "Awarded to Panzerjaeger for the acquisition of an eternal world peace and friendship between the nations of this fair Earth through a massive campaign of thermonuclear holocausts, as well as the annihilation of global climate change through a bitter, gray and endless nuclear winter."

[Ceannairceach]

I support Kosovo as an independent nation, due to right of self-determination.

I don't get this argument. Its Serbian land, with Serbian people occupying it. But, when ethnic Albanians want it, they can have it? Really, that doesn't make sense. To me, that looks like Albania attempting to decrease the power of Serbia and increase their influence in the Balkans and elsewhere.

[Yenke-Bin]

I support Kosovo as an independent nation, due to right of self-determination.

I don't get this argument. Its Serbian land, with Serbian people occupying it. But, when ethnic Albanians want it, they can have it? Really, that doesn't make sense. To me, that looks like Albania attempting to decrease the power of Serbia and increase their influence in the Balkans and elsewhere.

What I imagine is that Albania will step in once Kosovo fails as an independent state, and over time they will annex it into Albania.

[Dimzul]

I support Kosovo as an independent nation, due to right of self-determination.

I don't get this argument. Its Serbian land, with Serbian people occupying it. But, when ethnic Albanians want it, they can have it? Really, that doesn't make sense. To me, that looks like Albania attempting to decrease the power of Serbia and increase their influence in the Balkans and elsewhere.

What I imagine is that Albania will step in once Kosovo fails as an independent state, and over time they will annex it into Albania.

AND START A WORLD WAR!!!!!

[Ceannairceach]

I support Kosovo as an independent nation, due to right of self-determination.

I don't get this argument. Its Serbian land, with Serbian people occupying it. But, when ethnic Albanians want it, they can have it? Really, that doesn't make sense. To me, that looks like Albania attempting to decrease the power of Serbia and increase their influence in the Balkans and elsewhere.

What I imagine is that Albania will step in once Kosovo fails as an independent state, and over time they will annex it into Albania.

AND START A WORLD WAR!!!!!

Actually, thats what I thought to...

[Chumblywumbly]

I support Kosovo as an independent nation, due to right of self-determination.

I don't get this argument. Its Serbian land, with Serbian people occupying it. But, when ethnic Albanians want it, they can have it? Really, that doesn't make sense.

It makes sense in the same way that the US, India, etc., are no longer part of the British Empire.

The people of a territory - not the claimant(s) of a territory - get together, by various means, and determine for themselves whether they wish to be an independent territory.

[Lackadaisical2]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smlrSYiYd_o

Enough said.

That was pretty good.

"We'll kick their ass, and then we'll see how it goes"